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post #6541 of 7721
3/14/13 at 12:37pm
The "hint" was in the State of the Echo #3 thread on TGB..

Gear mentioned in this thread:

post #6542 of 7721
3/14/13 at 12:45pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

The "hint" was in the State of the Echo #3 thread on TGB..

True... Seems like they spend too much time making these blog posts though. They're more like official announcements or press releases. How about some quick and dirty updates like blogs are supposed to be?
post #6543 of 7721
3/14/13 at 12:51pm
Does anyone have codec settings that work?

I cannot get my echo to play anything consistently and re-encoding 8tb of stuff is not going to happen.

I have tried a million combos. Best so far is Win7 clean install w/ Shark defaults.

This file plays perfectly
Code:
General
Complete name                            : \\DISKSTATION\Home_Data\TV\Downton Abbey\Season 01\Downton Abbey - S01E01 - Episode 1.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 2.65 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 8mn
Overall bit rate                         : 5 536 Kbps
Writing application                      : x264.exe
Writing library                          : mkv2rls v1.3 (date: 2010 aug 28)

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 1h 8mn
Bit rate                                 : 4 025 Kbps
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.182
Stream size                              : 1.87 GiB (71%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 110 r1804 e89c4cf
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=4025 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Mode                                     : 16
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : A_DTS
Duration                                 : 1h 8mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 739 MiB (27%)
Title                                    : English DTS 1509kbps
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : UTF-8
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                            : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title                                    : English
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No

Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:00:00:00.000
00:09:53.301                             : en:00:09:53.301
00:20:55.796                             : en:00:20:55.796
00:30:54.561                             : en:00:30:54.561
00:40:14.996                             : en:00:40:14.996
00:55:00.672                             : en:00:55:00.672

This file gets first 5 seconds, then goes to garbage, scattered video, no audio.
Code:
General
Complete name                            : \\DISKSTATION\Home_Data\TV\House of Lies\Season 02\House of Lies - S02E01 - Stochasticity.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 683 MiB
Duration                                 : 28mn 42s
Overall bit rate                         : 3 324 Kbps
Writing application                      : x264.exe
Writing library                          : mkv2rls x264-tv version built on 2011. febr. 17

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 28mn 42s
Bit rate                                 : 2 874 Kbps
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 714 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.131
Stream size                              : 590 MiB (86%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 129 r2245 bc13772
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-2:-2 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.05:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=19.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.70
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : A_AC3
Duration                                 : 28mn 42s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 384 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 78.9 MiB (12%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : UTF-8
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                            : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title                                    : English
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No

What am i missing here?
post #6544 of 7721
3/14/13 at 12:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrobass24 View Post


What am i missing here?

I realize they are both set to '5' but I am pretty sure it is the ref frames. Change it to 3 or less. 5 seems borderline. I don't understand why it works with some things but not others. 6 or higher consistently does not work.

xnappo
post #6545 of 7721
3/14/13 at 12:59pm
Can i change that without re-encoding my whole library?
post #6546 of 7721
3/14/13 at 1:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrobass24 View Post

Can i change that without re-encoding my whole library?

Nope. I am dealing with the same thing.

I have a ticket submitted against it...

If you could reencode one to confirm (or a few minutes anyway) I would appreciate it.

xnappo
post #6547 of 7721
3/14/13 at 1:32pm
xnappo, did you ever get a response to your ticket?

I hope they can resolve this when they break out of the confines of WMC.
post #6548 of 7721
3/14/13 at 1:45pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

xnappo, did you ever get a response to your ticket?

I hope they can resolve this when they break out of the confines of WMC.

Eric asked what version I was on a few days back and I neglected to respond - just did.

I would really like someone to correlate this.

xnappo
post #6549 of 7721
3/14/13 at 1:51pm
Echo Version?

I might find some time to re-encode a file this weekend to see what gives. I have never used HandBrake before so I'll need to learn that too.
post #6550 of 7721
3/14/13 at 1:59pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Echo Version?

I might find some time to re-encode a file this weekend to see what gives. I have never used HandBrake before so I'll need to learn that too.

Thanks.

Yes - Echo version - I am on the latest version.

xnappo
post #6551 of 7721
3/14/13 at 2:01pm
I'm going to start with one that almost plays.. One that has macroblocking and skips after a few minutes that seem to coincide with when the scene changes so it could be the re-frames.
post #6552 of 7721
3/14/13 at 2:08pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I'm going to start with one that almost plays.. One that has macroblocking and skips after a few minutes that seem to coincide with when the scene changes so it could be the re-frames.

Yep - sounds like a good candidate. What does mediainfo say the ref frames is set to?

xnappo
post #6553 of 7721
3/14/13 at 3:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I'm going to start with one that almost plays.. One that has macroblocking and skips after a few minutes that seem to coincide with when the scene changes so it could be the re-frames.

Yep - sounds like a good candidate. What does mediainfo say the ref frames is set to?

xnappo

Not at home but I think it was 5 or something.

EDIT: Have to like PLEX:
Code:
VIDEO
Codec H264
Bitrate 9325 kbps
Language English
CABAC 1
Duration 1:44:55
Frame Rate 23.976 fps
Height 816
Level 4.1
Profile high
Ref Frames 5
Width 1920
AUDIO
Codec AC3
Channels 5.1
Bitrate 640 kbps
Language English
Bitrate Mode CBR
Dialog Norm -31 dB
Duration 1:44:55
Sampling Rate 48000 Hz
AUDIO
Codec DCA
Channels 5.1
Bitrate 1510 kbps
Language English
Bitrate Mode CBR
Duration 1:44:55
Sampling Rate 48000 Hz
SUBTITLES
Language English
Format SRT
post #6554 of 7721
3/14/13 at 4:55pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

... I have never used HandBrake before so I'll need to learn that too.

What do you normaly use?

I use MakeMKV, which does a prety good job. But the Echo would always choke on those rips, Xbox does fine.
post #6555 of 7721
3/14/13 at 4:59pm
makeMKV

I'm going to reduce the number of re-frames to this file that nearly plays on the echo and see what happens.
post #6556 of 7721
3/14/13 at 5:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrobass24 View Post

Does anyone have codec settings that work?

I cannot get my echo to play anything consistently and re-encoding 8tb of stuff is not going to happen.

I have tried a million combos. Best so far is Win7 clean install w/ Shark defaults.

This file plays perfectly Downton Abbey - S01E01 - Episode 1.mkv (Click to show)
Code:
General
Complete name                            : \\DISKSTATION\Home_Data\TV\Downton Abbey\Season 01\Downton Abbey - S01E01 - Episode 1.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 2.65 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 8mn
Overall bit rate                         : 5 536 Kbps
Writing application                      : x264.exe
Writing library                          : mkv2rls v1.3 (date: 2010 aug 28)

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 1h 8mn
Bit rate                                 : 4 025 Kbps
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.182
Stream size                              : 1.87 GiB (71%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 110 r1804 e89c4cf
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=4025 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Mode                                     : 16
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : A_DTS
Duration                                 : 1h 8mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 739 MiB (27%)
Title                                    : English DTS 1509kbps
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : UTF-8
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                            : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title                                    : English
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No

Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:00:00:00.000
00:09:53.301                             : en:00:09:53.301
00:20:55.796                             : en:00:20:55.796
00:30:54.561                             : en:00:30:54.561
00:40:14.996                             : en:00:40:14.996
00:55:00.672                             : en:00:55:00.672

This file gets first 5 seconds, then goes to garbage, scattered video, no audio. House of Lies - S02E01 - Stochasticity.mkv (Click to show)
Code:
General
Complete name                            : \\DISKSTATION\Home_Data\TV\House of Lies\Season 02\House of Lies - S02E01 - Stochasticity.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 683 MiB
Duration                                 : 28mn 42s
Overall bit rate                         : 3 324 Kbps
Writing application                      : x264.exe
Writing library                          : mkv2rls x264-tv version built on 2011. febr. 17

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 28mn 42s
Bit rate                                 : 2 874 Kbps
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 714 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.131
Stream size                              : 590 MiB (86%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 129 r2245 bc13772
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-2:-2 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.05:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=19.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.70
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : A_AC3
Duration                                 : 28mn 42s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 384 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 78.9 MiB (12%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : UTF-8
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                            : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title                                    : English
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
What am i missing here?

House of Lies is 1280x714 with aspect ratio 16:9. Maybe the Echo doesn't know what to do with that.
post #6557 of 7721
3/14/13 at 8:01pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I realize they are both set to '5' but I am pretty sure it is the ref frames. Change it to 3 or less. 5 seems borderline. I don't understand why it works with some things but not others. 6 or higher consistently does not work.

xnappo

Well i re-encoded using Handbrake High Profile, got these results. The file now plays audio perfectly, video plays but its not right. Its like it plays 3 seconds of frames, then 3 seconds of frames really, really fast. just over and over.
House of Lies - Re-Encode (Click to show)
General
Unique ID : 199791909670315199659174364425056527578 (0x964E85AB7E668016F1375EB4D0C1A4DA)
Complete name : \\DISKSTATION\Home_Data\TEST\House Of Lies - S02e01 - Stochasticity.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 623 MiB
Duration : 28mn 42s
Overall bit rate : 3 031 Kbps
Writing application : HandBrake 0.9.8
Writing library : libmkv 0.6.5

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 28mn 42s
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Original display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Writing library : x264 core 120
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : A_AAC
Duration : 28mn 42s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 28mn 42s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 78.9 MiB (13%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No
post #6558 of 7721
3/14/13 at 8:04pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

House of Lies is 1280x714 with aspect ratio 16:9. Maybe the Echo doesn't know what to do with that.

Yea i get that, but honestly if my HTPC can play it, my XBOX can play it, so should the Ceton. I am willing to deal with some BS on the front end when i get a new file, but a re-encode to super specific standards is just not feasible.
post #6559 of 7721
3/14/13 at 8:52pm
xnappo - So i tried taking both files listed above and changing their extension to .m2ts just to avoid any splitting issues. No change, same results.

Then I decided maybe it would work if I remuxed.
So i took the original file listed above, ran it through mkv2vob using the settings from the updated portion. http://thedigitalmediazone.com/2010/10/25/making-mkv-files-play-nice-in-wmc-with-mkv2vob/

Voila - Perfect playback - which begs the question, WTF?

Original Source - macroblocking, no audio, not watchable (Click to show)
General
Complete name : \\DISKSTATION\Home_Data\TV\House of Lies\Season 02\House of Lies - S02E01 - Stochasticity.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 683 MiB
Duration : 28mn 42s
Overall bit rate : 3 324 Kbps
Writing application : x264.exe
Writing library : mkv2rls x264-tv version built on 2011. febr. 17

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 28mn 42s
Bit rate : 2 874 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 714 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.131
Stream size : 590 MiB (86%)
Writing library : x264 core 129 r2245 bc13772
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-2:-2 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.05:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=19.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.70
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 28mn 42s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 78.9 MiB (12%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text
ID : 3
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title : English
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No
MKV2VOB output - Perfect! (Click to show)
General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : Z:\TEST\House of Lies - S02E01 - Stochasticity-mkv2vob.m2ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 715 MiB
Duration : 28mn 42s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 3 482 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 28mn 42s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 922 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 714 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.133
Stream size : 600 MiB (84%)
Writing library : x264 core 129 r2245 bc13772
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-2:-2 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.05:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=19.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.7

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 28mn 42s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 78.9 MiB (11%)
post #6560 of 7721
3/14/13 at 9:04pm
Quote:
mkv2vob converts your MKV files to MPG which work perfect in Media Center, but it will also automatically convert DTS audio to AC3, which is the only format that Media Center can work with. On top of that it will also take subtitle files and hard sub them into the video

I few things here that I don't want to do..
post #6561 of 7721
3/14/13 at 9:15pm
Agree - not ideal

But my video had no subs, and not DTS...it was already AC3.
post #6562 of 7721
3/14/13 at 10:45pm
How does mkv2vob hardocde subs with just a remux? Wouldn't that require a re-encode?

And just to throw it out there, TsMuxer(GUI) will remux to M2TS and maintain DTS if that's what you're looking to do. (it will also convert SRT subs to PGS)
post #6563 of 7721
3/15/13 at 5:26am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrobass24 View Post

Yea i get that, but honestly if my HTPC can play it, my XBOX can play it, so should the Ceton. I am willing to deal with some BS on the front end when i get a new file, but a re-encode to super specific standards is just not feasible.
You asked what you were missing so I pointed out something that didn't look right. Maybe that's causing problems, maybe not. I would try re-encoding that one file to see if it changes anything. If it plays correctly after re-encoding then you have something to report. Ceton can't fix it if they don't know what the problem is.
post #6564 of 7721
3/16/13 at 12:31am
A while back I mentioned I was trying Comskip to skip past commercials. Since then, I've found the donate version of Comskip works astoundingly well. Much better than I initially thought. While it's not perfect, I would highly recommend it to everyone using the Echo or XBox.

I currently use a netbook upstairs to watch the occasional recorded show in bed. The shows are shared between the HTPC and the netbook in Media Center - sort of a fake extender. At first it wanted to generate new commercial-skip files on the netbook, but you can specify the path on the HTPC where the skip files have already been generated. So now even the netbook has commercial skipping!

I have one small bug to iron out... the dtbaddin program isn't always recognized when I run Media Center on the netbook. It should be possible to fix this by running it at startup if I can't find a more elegant solution.
post #6565 of 7721
3/16/13 at 8:55am
Re-encoding this file from 5 Re-Frames to 4 Re-Frames right now. It has been at it for a couple hours and has a couple more to go. This is a smaller file to boot.

I am definitely not going to be doing this to 200+ mkv's. This is merely for test purposes for sure.
Edited by Sammy2 - 3/16/13 at 11:22am
post #6566 of 7721
3/16/13 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I'm going to start with one that almost plays.. One that has macroblocking and skips after a few minutes that seem to coincide with when the scene changes so it could be the re-frames.

Yep - sounds like a good candidate. What does mediainfo say the ref frames is set to?

xnappo

Not at home but I think it was 5 or something.

EDIT: Have to like PLEX Using Media Info here:
Code:
File size : 8.41 GiB 
Duration : 1h 44mn 
Overall bit rate : 11.5 Mbps 
Movie name : The American (2010) 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-12-15 22:48:33 
Writing application : mkvmerge v3.0.0 ('Hang up your Hang-Ups') built on Dec 12 2009 15:20:35 
Writing library : libebml v0.7.9 + libmatroska v0.8.1 

Video 
ID : 1 
Format : AVC 
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec 
Format profile : High@L4.1 
Format settings, CABAC : Yes 
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames 
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 
Duration : 1h 44mn 
Bit rate : 9 325 Kbps 
Width : 1 920 pixels 
Height : 816 pixels 
Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1 
Frame rate : 23.976 fps 
Color space : YUV 
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 
Bit depth : 8 bits 
Scan type : Progressive 
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.248 
Stream size : 6.67 GiB (79%) 
Title : x264 
Writing library : x264 core 110 r1820 fdcf2ae 
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.20 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=9325 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 
Language : English 
Default : Yes 
Forced : No 

Audio #1 
ID : 2 
Format : AC-3 
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 
Mode extension : CM (complete main) 
Codec ID : A_AC3 
Duration : 1h 44mn 
Bit rate mode : Constant 
Bit rate : 640 Kbps 
Channel(s) : 6 channels 
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE 
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz 
Bit depth : 16 bits 
Compression mode : Lossy 
Stream size : 480 MiB (6%) 
Title : AC3 
Language : English 
Default : No 
Forced : No 

Audio #2 
ID : 3 
Format : DTS 
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems 
Codec ID : A_DTS 
Duration : 1h 44mn 
Bit rate mode : Constant 
Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps 
Channel(s) : 6 channels 
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE 
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz 
Bit depth : 24 bits 
Compression mode : Lossy 
Stream size : 1.11 GiB (13%) 
Title : DTS 
Language : English 
Default : Yes 
Forced : No 

Text #1 
ID : 4 
Format : UTF-8 
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8 
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text 
Title : Subtitles 
Language : Dutch 
Default : Yes 
Forced : No 

Text #2 
ID : 5 
Format : UTF-8 
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8 
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text 
Language : English 
Default : No 
Forced : No

Okay, I re-encoded the above file using handbrake to this:
Code:
File size : 3.69 GiB 
Duration : 1h 44mn 
Overall bit rate : 5 029 Kbps 
Writing application : HandBrake 0.9.8 
Writing library : libmkv 0.6.5 

Video 
ID : 1 
Format : AVC 
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec 
Format profile : Main@L4.0 
Format settings, CABAC : Yes 
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames 
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 
Duration : 1h 44mn 
Width : 1 920 pixels 
Height : 816 pixels 
Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1 
Frame rate : 23.976 fps 
Color space : YUV 
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 
Bit depth : 8 bits 
Scan type : Progressive 
Writing library : x264 core 120 
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 
Language : English 
Default : Yes 
Forced : No 
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177 
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361 
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177 

Audio 
ID : 2 
Format : AAC 
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec 
Format profile : LC 
Codec ID : A_AAC 
Duration : 1h 44mn 
Channel(s) : 2 channels 
Channel positions : Front: L R 
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz 
Compression mode : Lossy 
Language : English 
Default : Yes 
Forced : No

It plays on the echo but I'm either seeing 3:2 pull down on my little 19" TV or some stutter. I also see a bit more macroblocking than I see playing the file it was made from when playing it on my HTPC directly.

(Note: my original post was edited to use media info rather than plex to show more information about the file)
Edited by Sammy2 - 3/16/13 at 1:06pm
post #6567 of 7721
3/16/13 at 12:49pm
This has been playing for a while and the macro blocking, although minor, I was seeing earlier has smoothed out but the 3:2 pull down is still apparent. I need to connect the echo to my AVR/HTPC and see what happens there. I will report back.
post #6568 of 7721
3/16/13 at 1:21pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

This has been playing for a while and the macro blocking, although minor, I was seeing earlier has smoothed out but the 3:2 pull down is still apparent. I need to connect the echo to my AVR/HTPC and see what happens there. I will report back.

Seeing the same thing with SOME of my encodes(the 3:2 pulldown-looking stutter). I am running one with re-frames 1 and b-frames 0 just to see what happens.

Something to do while waiting for Ceton to actually say something - thanks for your trials Sammy - while I don't want to reencode everything, knowing sure-fire settings that work would be nice.

xnappo
post #6569 of 7721
3/16/13 at 1:26pm
I use makeMKV but could switch to handbrake. I don't like the way it looks on my HTPC and abhor only having AC3 audio though so IDK. This was my first run with it. Maybe another run will look better, but I doubt it. Compressed is compressed. This file was compressed as it is because it was done a long time ago.
post #6570 of 7721
3/16/13 at 2:27pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I use makeMKV but could switch to handbrake. I don't like the way it looks on my HTPC and abhor only having AC3 audio though so IDK. This was my first run with it. Maybe another run will look better, but I doubt it. Compressed is compressed. This file was compressed as it is because it was done a long time ago.

Handbrake and makemkv are both just front ends to mencoder... If you want DTS just let it passthrough.

xnappo
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