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That's very ironic. A fix for non-existing MPEG2 issue causes more stuttering than before.

It fixed MPEG2 issues I was seeing on HGTV and a couple shows on local channels. However, it made HBO much worse. One of two Echos on the current beta now crashes daily too.

I actually updated my echo to the beta FW and it's exhibiting the crash daily Feature. I have opened a ticket with Ceton.

Yes, I do have updated NIC drivers rolleyes.gif . This was actually the first request from Ceton. The best part is the diagnostic report I sent showed my Realtek NIC drivers were outdated..this would be ok but I don't use the onboard NIC. I installed a intel NIC when I first built the PC and that's the active enabled connection.

Any update on the ticket?

yes, they responded back requesting a move of the echo to another location to validate its not something in the chain. I will move tonight and give a watch.
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Does anyone else see a blue-screen HDCP error message for a split second when first tuning a channel? It only happens once in a while and it flashes on and off the screen so fast it's difficult to tell exactly what it says. I've seen the words High-Definition and (HDCP) but it isn't displayed long enough to actually read the message. The channel always tunes in so I don't think it's a major issue.

Yup, happens to me too. And like you, it never (knock on wood) seems to actually prevent anything desired, it's just a momentary hiccup.

Some kind of handshaking issue?
post #6843 of 7721
It amazes me the low standards many people have for this relatively expensive device. I returned mine but I keep watching the "progress" with hopes that it will become this great extender they were/are promising. However, given all the time that has passed and the minimal improvements made at some point you have to question their competence to deliver and fix any problems going forward.
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... I can't for the life of me understand how others can't see what I've seen on every echo at just about every stable and beta FW rolleyes.gif

Your definetly not alone, a lot of people returned there's and moved on. Hardly anyone in this thread anymore. It use to be alot more diversified. The plain and simple truth about the Echo for some/most is it's - not not not not not worth worth worth - beta testing for Ceton anylonger. I think four months after release is enough time to see where a product isn't going rolleyes.gif.
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I am starting to get pretty pissed off.

They released State of the Echo #3 right before the return window closed, and I was enough of a sucker to keep it.

I can't believe they can't even bother to update us on progress!

xnappo
post #6846 of 7721
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I am starting to get pretty pissed off.

They released State of the Echo #3 right before the return window closed, and I was enough of a sucker to keep it.

I can't believe they can't even bother to update us on progress!

xnappo

Ditto. I was somewhat satisfied with the TV functionality and the promise of better things to come. Killing HBO with the latest Beta release has really frustrated me. And it's three weeks and counting for them to be working on blog post.... I am wishing that the return window hadn't closed.
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It amazes me the low standards many people have for this relatively expensive device. I returned mine but I keep watching the "progress" with hopes that it will become this great extender they were/are promising. However, given all the time that has passed and the minimal improvements made at some point you have to question their competence to deliver and fix any problems going forward.

+1

Other than TGB (where it's one big circle jerk of Ceton fanboys) the majority of people have figured out that the Echo is a dismal failure that Ceton hasn't been able to correct since last November. The people that keep believing that it will get better are delusional. What proof has Ceton offered other than their state of the Echo that it will get better??
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TGB (where it's one big circle jerk of Ceton fanboys)

Would you rather they be a bunch of pessimistic mewling quims?
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Would you rather they be a bunch of pessimistic mewling quims?

Neither is good. So - anyone up to hacking the thing to run Android ourselves?

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xnappo
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I was one of the original beta testers. I never really started testing it just for the simple fact it could not support HBR MKV files. The promise/hope that it would do this right out of the box. I still dont use the little box but I am still hopeful that someday it may replace all my HD300 boxes. Gotta keep the faith since there is nothing else that currently looks promising.
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Neither is good. So - anyone up to hacking the thing to run Android ourselves?

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xnappo

Good idea. I'm a hardware guy though unfortunately...
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Good idea. I'm a hardware guy though unfortunately...

So am I... I am guessing they are just using a Freescale reference design as the base, so I will look into that a bit over the weekend.

xnappo
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So am I... I am guessing they are just using a Freescale reference design as the base, so I will look into that a bit over the weekend.

xnappo

I seem to recall reading somewhere that Ceton had the ability to dump images onto the echo via the micro USB port (the same one used for power)

If anybody knows what tool has the ability to do that, I think it would just be a matter of digging up a version of ICS that is compiled for FreeScale and dumping it on the echo.

The 10" interface is the real hurdle, I suspect (which is also why it's taking Ceton a while)

But if the Echo is anything close to the reference design, I would think that there should be dev tools floating around for that.
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I would be more interested into getting Google TV on it - if anyone over at XDA has interest in it that would be our best bet.
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that Ceton had the ability to dump images onto the echo via the micro USB port (the same one used for power)

If anybody knows what tool has the ability to do that, I think it would just be a matter of digging up a version of ICS that is compiled for FreeScale and dumping it on the echo.

I know that you can communicate with the echo via the mini usb port. A couple of months ago I had to do a recovery via that port when one of my echos wouldn't update via the web.

Edit: It is a proprietary tool. Hopefully there would be a similar tool to allow any image to be dropped on there. Edit 2: The USB image download tools are available over on the freescale website.

Instructions:
1.) Download http://cetoncorp.com/downloads/ctnechorecovery.exe to a Windows 7 computer.
2.) Plug Echo into your Windows 7 PC using the USB power cable included with the Echo.
Please note: Make sure your Echo is hooked up to the network, as internet access is required for recovery.
Please note: Recovery status information is displayed during recovery via HDMI, so connect a display if possible
3.) Turn off Echo with remote.
4.) Run ctnechorecovery.exe.
5.) Use the Echo remote to enter in this number sequence: 2065489548 (If sequence was entered correctly the Echo will power on, and have three (3) solid red lights below the logo)
Please note: You can hit zero (0) at least 10+ times to clear out any failed attempts. Be steady, with no pauses when entering the code.
6.) Get the MAC address of your Echo from the recovery tool and update your ticket with that address. We will send an approval email with next steps once we receive your email.


Not sure about the reference design though, I haven't cracked it open.
Edited by th3Pil0t - 4/5/13 at 4:56am
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So you boot it to ICS. Then what?
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So you boot it to ICS. Then what?

Play around and be entertained with this $200 device while Ceton come up with the goods.

Edit: I don't pretend that this would solve the problems of the Echo, but it would be fun.
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Originally Posted by Biggen_PCB View Post

+1

Other than TGB (where it's one big circle jerk of Ceton fanboys) the majority of people have figured out that the Echo is a dismal failure that Ceton hasn't been able to correct since last November. The people that keep believing that it will get better are delusional. What proof has Ceton offered other than their state of the Echo that it will get better??

Mostly Ceton's track record. They have been very good about fixing issues with their other products, so many people are confident they will fix this one as well.
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So you boot it to ICS. Then what?

As I have said a bazillion times, you run XBMC! That is your ten foot interface.

Here are some interesting links:
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=142033
http://www.wandboard.org/index.php/details

xnappo
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So you boot it to ICS. Then what?

As I have said a bazillion times, you run XBMC! That is your ten foot interface.

Here are some interesting links:
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=142033
http://www.wandboard.org/index.php/details

xnappo

Cool! I've read about that. It seems more cost effective to get a stick computer to do this as it does seem like a great way to playback local content. The thing is I am using my beta echo every single day as an extender for WMC PVR use so this doesn't work for me, although it would be fun to tool around with it.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Cool! I've read about that. It seems more cost effective to get a stick computer to do this as it does seem like a great way to playback local content. The thing is I am using my beta echo every single day as an extender for WMC PVR use so this doesn't work for me, although it would be fun to tool around with it.

Understand. This is really just something to play with for those of us who already have Xboxs working perfectly well for WMC PVR.

xnappo
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Is the wandboard going for $80ish? Has XBMC beed running on it? For that price, I just might get one. The reason the echo costs twice this is that they have M$ licensing fees and development costs on top of the basic costs of the SoC and enclosure. I believe that the survival of ceton may just hinge on the echo being sucessfull and hopefully for them getting the android interface right will open their market to more broad based appeal.
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Is the wandboard going for $80ish? Has XBMC beed running on it? For that price, I just might get one. The reason the echo costs twice this is that they have M$ licensing fees and development costs on top of the basic costs of the SoC and enclosure. I believe that the survival of ceton may just hinge on the echo being sucessfull and hopefully for them getting the android interface right will open their market to more broad based appeal.

If you are going to buy something new to run XBMC, there are many better options than the Freescale processor. Raspberry PI or Pivos are the same price and have much better XBMC support.

xnappo
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I see. So you were just using the wandboard as an example of what might be done with the freescale processor, not what is actually being done.
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I see. So you were just using the wandboard as an example of what might be done with the freescale processor, not what is actually being done.

No, I am just saying Pivos and Raspberry PI are a lot more supported. Thousands of people are running those vs. tens of people running on Freescale smile.gif

xnappo
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Okay, but I'm not seeing anywhere in the links above that XBMC is running on the wandboard but the PIVOS XIOS comes with it pre-installed out of the box from what I can tell.
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Back to the Echo.. I have been waiting and waiting to replace an old Xbox 360 that get a lot of use with a new Echo. Unfortunately, it appears the Echo seems to have firmware and possibly some hardware issues. I ordered an Xbox 360s which while limited, is very reliable. Ceton needs to either get this right or pull it from the shelf. I hope for you Echo owners it comes quickly one way or another.
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Ceton needs to either get this right or pull it from the shelf. I hope for you Echo owners it comes quickly one way or another.

I hope they DON'T pull it from the shelf, because I have two and don't want $400 of hardware, with no future updates.
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I don't really know the true behind the scene at Ceton, but it would seem that they may have made the same mistake with Echo as they did with InifniTV4. They went to an asian supplier/assembler which may have not beeen the wisest choice.

They got burned by the asian supplier/assembler with the InifniTV that created the shortages and may have turned some people away. Once they switched to the domestic supplier/assembler, the problems went away.

I understand that they are going for the low cost manufacturing process, but there is a reason it costs less to make stuff in asia. Quality suffers. And if they were to pay premium there for quality, which is available, they may as well get a domestic manufacturer which will eliminate the shipping costs and delays.
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Originally Posted by blueiedgod View Post

I don't really know the true behind the scene at Ceton, but it would seem that they may have made the same mistake with Echo as they did with InifniTV4. They went to an asian supplier/assembler which may have not beeen the wisest choice.

They got burned by the asian supplier/assembler with the InifniTV that created the shortages and may have turned some people away. Once they switched to the domestic supplier/assembler, the problems went away.

I understand that they are going for the low cost manufacturing process, but there is a reason it costs less to make stuff in asia. Quality suffers. And if they were to pay premium there for quality, which is available, they may as well get a domestic manufacturer which will eliminate the shipping costs and delays.
The problems with the Echo are almost all or entirely firmware related, not hardware manufacturing issues. The problem is that it's taking their developers a long time to fix the issues that are needed to deliver the promised functionality.
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