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post #6961 of 7721
Some cable content, not all. C'mon man, don't be blind to what others have posted about HBO etc. It still doesn't play 100% of cable correctly as an extender and you know it. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a 7 year old Xbox and you know it.
post #6962 of 7721
It plays every single channel in my line up without issue but I suppose others have issues with their provider and lineup.
post #6963 of 7721
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It plays every single channel in my line up without issue but I suppose others have issues with their provider and lineup.

Are you still making this comment based on a 19" TV? I am running on a 120" projector screen, the the deinterlacing is still far inferior to the XBOX.

xnappo
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Define 'productive'.

#3
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Haven't seen much with the Echo here in six months.

Comparing the state of the Echo at release to now, we have seen significant positive change. Obviously, still not perfect yet.
post #6965 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

It plays every single channel in my line up without issue but I suppose others have issues with their provider and lineup.

Are you still making this comment based on a 19" TV? I am running on a 120" projector screen, the the deinterlacing is still far inferior to the XBOX.

xnappo

I am not seeing de-interlacing issues with my 40" LCD either but I have that connected to my HTPC directly so don't really need an echo for it. Sorry, but I don't have the resources to obtain a projector and screen to test this scenario but if I did I surely would test it.
post #6966 of 7721
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Um, ok - if they knew what needed to be fixed, it would have been done long ago.
Seriously??? Some bugs can't be magically fixed overnight just because the developer knows it needs to be fixed. Sometimes it's really tough to track down what the root cause is. Sometimes you need to wait for another group to implement a fix before yours will work (for example, they might need an update from Freescale before some issues can be addressed). They can't just snap their fingers and voila everything is fixed - software / firmware development doesn't work that way.
post #6967 of 7721
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I already have one, don't really need two...

We can sure understand that!

Simple math 2 times 0 = well you know!
post #6968 of 7721
babgvant -

Sure, we all understand what "productive" means. But please inform us all as to how this thread is supposed to be "productive" at this point.

The product does not work well even as a basic media extender for a lot of us (many of us see a lot of stutter on certain channels, there are many deinterlacing issues still, it can't reliably play music, it has overall stability issues, etc). These issues have been voiced many times over in this thread, for many months. We've all "opened a ticket" on these issues. If Ceton isn't somehow aware of any of these issues, they are simply choosing not to see them themselves, or choose not to hear them presented by us. Unless Ceton wants to make this an open source project by releasing the source, there is nothing more that we can do as customers to "be productive" as far as I know. What "productive" discussions do you and Sammy suggest for this thread, that would be productive for the Echo?

Unfortunately, for me, Ceton went from probably the best customer experience I've ever had with a tech company (when dealing with initial setup of my InfiniTV and Comcast) to quickly amongst the worst with this Echo (generic, non-answer responses, ignoring details presented to them and offers to collect other kinds of potentially helpful data). I went from highly recommending the InfiniTV to friends and co-workers, and telling the same people about the Echo when it was on the horizon ... to (now) having no desire to recommend anything Ceton to anybody. That's just how bad this experience - both product and support - has been. My previous experience (InfiniTV) is the only reason that I kept the Echo beyond the return window ... if the Echo was their very first product, there is no way in hell that I would have kept it.
post #6969 of 7721
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Seriously??? Some bugs can't be magically fixed overnight just because the developer knows it needs to be fixed. Sometimes it's really tough to track down what the root cause is. Sometimes you need to wait for another group to implement a fix before yours will work (for example, they might need an update from Freescale before some issues can be addressed). They can't just snap their fingers and voila everything is fixed - software / firmware development doesn't work that way.

Seriously??? If they knew what needed to be fixed six months ago when they released it with essentially broken functionality that people paid good money for, it would already be fixed. I never said overnight.

If you look back through this thread people were willing to cut them a lot of slack at least through the first couple of months, but now we're six months down the road and it's still essentially broken for many people. I'm not confident that they or the SoC vendor know what needs to be fixed at this point.
Edited by slowbiscuit - 4/10/13 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by dabretty View Post

babgvant -

Sure, we all understand what "productive" means. But please inform us all as to how this thread is supposed to be "productive" at this point.

I'm surprised you need this defined.

Productive includes:

- Noting issues
- Looking for solutions
- Helping others
- Constructive feedback

It does not include:

- Being rude
- Being offensive
- Ad hominem attacks
- etc.
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The product does not work well even as a basic media extender for a lot of us (many of us see a lot of stutter on certain channels, there are many deinterlacing issues still, it can't reliably play music, it has overall stability issues, etc). These issues have been voiced many times over in this thread, for many months. We've all "opened a ticket" on these issues. If Ceton isn't somehow aware of any of these issues, they are simply choosing not to see them themselves, or choose not to hear them presented by us.

Being critical is productive, being a jerk about it is not. Expressing valid concerns inappropriately will often get you ignored; "flies & honey"...

Everyone gets an opinion: if the product works for you, expressing that shouldn't get you shouted down; if it doesn't, that shouldn't get shouted down either.

TBC, personally it doesn't matter to me if you (pl) want to burn Ceton in effigy here. I'm just pointing out what should be obvious, but doesn't seem to be. I think we (including Ceton) can all agree that the Echo has failed to met expectations, and there is still a lot of work to do.
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there is nothing more that we can do as customers to "be productive" as far as I know.

well, in that case the only alternative it to grab a pitchfork and torch.
post #6971 of 7721
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

And some people are probably wondering why nobody from Ceton has posted in this thread for a while. rolleyes.gif

Anyone who has been unhappy enough with the Echo to post tirades had ample opportunity to return the product for a refund within the return window - it's not like people started having problems AFTER the warranty / return window expired. All "putting some heat under their a$$es", as was so eloquently stated, will accomplish is to further drive them away from posting here or posting any public updates. Foot stomping and insults do not inspire me to do my best work.

Good, who cares at this point. We need real answers, not random posts.

How many weeks ago was the deadline for the return policy? In that time they have done nothing positive for the Echo. One release which to me has been a huge step back. Heavy stuttering on some channels, frequent freezes (5-8) a day - no exaggeration. It's been 3 weeks of this, I've heard nothing from them in regards of fixes or just a plain flat out apology. Nothing. I'm not the only one in my house that uses this thing, I'm now looking for other options to help me get back my WAF. No big deal :/

It's easy to assume that people like myself have done nothing but bitch about this product but that is far from the facts. I've done everything in my power to try and get something fixed but they haven't responded. File a bug there, start a ticket here... Where are they?

Is it my fault I kept it? Yes. Did I buy into their last blog post. Yes.

At this point all I'm asking for is some in-depth communication. Give me details!
Edited by realtight - 4/10/13 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

I'm surprised you need this defined.

Productive includes:

- Noting issues
- Looking for solutions
- Helping others
- Constructive feedback

- Issues have been noted. Very little has been done about many of them. And we keep hearing people say "did you file a ticket?". And we did, and we didn't get any results in that path, ,either.
- Looking for solutions? Did I miss something, and this is an open source project now? Please provide the link to the sourceforge project, and I will gladly start looking for solutions. If you're suggesting that I'm "holding it wrong" that's not true either, I do much testing with this thing side-by-side with my Xbox. So the only solutions to be found are internal to Ceton.
- Helping others ... there's only so far you can help others when the product is not working. Words of encouragement - "keep your head up, they'll get it fixed!" - are nice, but they're not really helping get from point a to b. Maybe it's comforting for some to see that we're all in the same boat with a broken product. You've got a valid point there.
- Constructive feedback ... isn't this what the whole ticketing system should be fore, which has been ineffective (to say the least) for many of us? I don't know how to provide any more feedback when they don't ask for anything more, or say "yeah, we see you've got a problem ... try the next firmware that's released." Perhaps if they provided constructive responses to our feedback this whole system would work. But blindly submitting feedback to a system that doesn't care about it and does nothing with it ... well, that gets old pretty fast.
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It does not include:
I don't really care what your "non-definition" is, as that is irrelevant as you're already trying to define what should be occurring in here. I'll say what a lot of other people have already said. People gave Ceton a lot of slack for the first few months. We have tried to help them the best that we can but have received minimal response, nor have we received much in improvements lately. If there was some "heavy lifting" in improvements right now (the Android dream) you can bet that us paying customers would be willing to cut them some more slack. But there isn't at least in anything that's visible to us customers, instead we get "updates" with useless changelogs that - correct me if I'm wrong - don't seem to be helping very many people. With the improvement rate greatly slowing down, people are going to get frustrated. That's human nature.
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Originally Posted by dabretty View Post

- Issues have been noted. Very little has been done about many of them. And we keep hearing people say "did you file a ticket?". And we did, and we didn't get any results in that path, ,either.

They ask because many people don't file tickets. If you've filed a ticket and provided the repro, what value is there in complaining about it? TBC, if someone want to spend their time that way, more power to 'em. I just don't understand why they value their time so little.
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- Looking for solutions? Did I miss something, and this is an open source project now?

In most threads the community is able assist people with questions and issues. OS is not required for that. This is the point of a forum like this. Look around, how many none-OS products and projects are discussed here with this goal in mind?
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- Helping others ... there's only so far you can help others when the product is not working.

In some cases that is true, in others it is not.
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- Constructive feedback ... isn't this what the whole ticketing system should be fore, which has been ineffective (to say the least) for many of us?

Tickets are for issues, feedback can include feature requests, usability concerns, etc. the things that aren't "bugs" per se.
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I don't really care what your "non-definition" is,

Then you shouldn't have asked.
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as that is irrelevant as you're already trying to define what should be occurring in here.

Labeling rude and unproductive behavior as rude and unproductive isn't blocking. You are free to conduct yourself however you see fit, but don't act surprised when the obvious is pointed out as obvious.
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With the improvement rate greatly slowing down, people are going to get frustrated. That's human nature.

Being frustrated is understandable. I'm frustrated with the product and the progress it has made. Ceton has not done a good job of managing expectations or delivering fixes for issues, but that doesn't mean I need to be a jerk about it.
post #6974 of 7721
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It plays CableTV content just fine. This is an issue with other content...

That is so far from the truth Sammy2 and I have the testing, eyes and equipment that proved it.
post #6975 of 7721
They have had ~4.5 months and have failed to get basic playback working as it should have been at release and somebody gets labeled a "jerk" for suggesting that they may be incompetent? What else would you call it after all this time? What reason have they given us to not think this?
post #6976 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

It plays CableTV content just fine. This is an issue with other content...

That is so far from the truth Sammy2 and I have the testing, eyes and equipment that proved it.

Okay.
post #6977 of 7721
For those who may have interest JRiver is getting closer and closer to producing an excellent WMC replacement. No support for protected Live TV content but the guide is improving markedly and Ceton support is quite reasonable, fast channel changes and given a decent GPU full MadVR support for both ATSC and Cable. I have Comcast and everything on my Tier is copy freely. The image is very nice. I am not ready to throw WMC under the bus on my main HTPC yet, but a couple of more builds with this much improvement and I will have a hard choice to make.

Right now there is some goofiness with channel changes from ATSC to Cable but ATSC to ATSC or Cable to Cable is reliable as is an exit to the guide and then new channel selection. Other main issue is the guide does not return to the current or last chanel viewed.

Ceton playback is done through DLNA. I have WMC turned off on my workstation now and using JRiver exclusively on it. I would think in a couple of weeks it will be ready for my living room. Actually i could use it in the living room right now... but just a bit more polish on the program guide and a fix for the ATSC/cable channel change glitch and you are there. As to the image shown,d picture quality will largely be limited to wherever future versions of madVR and your gpu can take you. Since one license is really a site license in your home the cost is quite attractive considering it is a play anything and everything solution that aims to produce the best sound and picture quality available anywhere for virtually any format conceivable.
post #6978 of 7721
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For those who may have interest JRiver is getting closer and closer to producing an excellent WMC replacement. No support for protected Live TV content
Isn't it actually no support for protected TV content (as in both recorded and live)? Unfortunately, that's a deal breaker for a lot of people. Even though none of my FIOS channels are currently protected, that could change overnight and I'd rather not tie myself to a solution that could break so easily.
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but the guide is improving markedly
That's definitely true. There's still some work to do there (for example, I noticed that when scrolling up and down it would make some oddball moves left to right when shows are longer than a half hour block).
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Ceton playback is done through DLNA. I have WMC turned off on my workstation now and using JRiver exclusively on it. I would think in a couple of weeks it will be ready for my living room. Actually i could use it in the living room right now... but just a bit more polish on the program guide and a fix for the ATSC/cable channel change glitch and you are there. As to the image shown,d picture quality will largely be limited to wherever future versions of madVR and your gpu can take you. Since one license is really a site license in your home the cost is quite attractive considering it is a play anything and everything solution that aims to produce the best sound and picture quality available anywhere for virtually any format conceivable.
IMHO, they still have some way to go to equal the recording functionality that WMC has, but nothing that's insurmountable. As you say, without too much more work, there may be a very viable replacement for WMC, if we ignore the protected content limitation.

The other place where I believe they still need improvement is in presenting the list of recordings. IMO, they don't have a good enough presentation of the shows that have been recorded yet in Theater View.

I need to play around with it a bit more as I haven't spent much time with the TV functionality in MC18 - last time I took an in depth look was in MC17.
post #6979 of 7721
Just an observation and some comments I know have already been made.....

There is obviously a great deal of anger in this thread at this point. Many people are probably most upset at the fact that they trusted Ceton based on the great customer service they had in the past, and now they feel betrayed for keeping the Echo past the return window. I considered returning mine, but then Ceton posted one of their famous blog posts which convinced me to hold on a little longer. Looking back, I should have just returned it, but that's on me. Ceton doesn't owe me anything if I wasn't smart enough to base my decision on what the Echo could do then and not on what it is promised to do in the future.

If you bought the Echo in beta and decided to keep it, stop complaining, you should have shipped it back. If you bought the Echo after beta, stop complaining, you should have read the reviews first, or you should have shipped it back. At this point everyone should just assume it's never going to get any better and find out of you can still return it. If not, throw it on ebay. If at some point in the future everything gets fixed, buy another one. By then the price will probably come down to less than you end up selling it on ebay anyway. Creating a secondary market for the Echo will starve Ceton of new cash flow and force them to either fix things faster or at least communicate.

Ceton does owe the Echo owners an update. If they hadn't posted blogs promising improvements I would say they could keep silent, but they did try to get people to hold on to their units with that post. Maybe they don't owe us $$, but they do owe us information. If they continue to keep their mouths shut, then maybe they do deserve the treatment they're getting in the forums.
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It plays every single channel in my line up without issue but I suppose others have issues with their provider and lineup.

I am confused. Are you the same Sammy2 that posted the comment below at The GreenButton site?
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#24 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:44 pm

This f/w was stable for me at first but now I get a lot of crashes or loss of network problems with it.Sammy2
my2

Edit.....Perhaps this was a networking issue, I saw in a later post that the crashing stopped.
Edited by Haba - 4/10/13 at 1:36pm
post #6981 of 7721
You need loyalty to be successful in this business. You need positive reviews on retail sites to generate the sales necessary to stay in business. Online reputation management is the fastest growing industry in the world right now because of how critical it is to have a positive reputation on social media and the internet.

CETON needs to learn this concept very quickly or it will not survive. I'm actually anticipating word within the next 12 months that they will file for bankruptcy. Turning into North Korea-style isolationism is the most juvenile and unprofessional defense mechanism a struggling company can make and it speaks volumes about their failed leadership.

Dominos Pizza turned their company around because they exercised the humility to open themselves up to their customers and engage in direct dialogue.

Zappos' customer service model is the envy of many companies because of the long-term impact it has had on revenue, especially from returning customers.

I kept the echo because the main issue I had where the audio would just stop working after awhile was fixed (but still getting the common issue where the audio and video hiccups for a few seconds, and the fact that when I try to load up a previously recorded show, it crashes 80% of the time). But the image quality and audio is perfect when it is working, so it's got enough value that I can hold onto it in hopes that the remaining issues will be fixed. However, if a better solution comes along where I can also play mkv files, I will drop the echo or break down and build a silent HTPC which I was trying to avoid (don't want the added heat, electricity usage, potential noise and don't need full PC functionality).

You guys can debate all you want about the tone and language of posters in this thread whether for or against the product and company, but it doesn't matter. You're wasting your time. I guarantee you that CETON will no longer exist as a company in the near future if they continue operating without a winning customer service model. The only way you can is if you have a product considered to be of considerable value by a large market (e.g. Microsoft) and we can all agree that the Echo does not qualify. It's just too small of a consumer market to be successful with this buggy of a product.

I'm not one to say, "I told you so." So ahead of CETON's announcement of bankruptcy, I will say, "I'm warning you now."

Again, I'm only making this prediction if they continue on their present course of widening the void between themselves and their customers.
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Originally Posted by Bellagiofan View Post

You need loyalty to be successful in this business. You need positive reviews on retail sites to generate the sales necessary to stay in business. Online reputation management is the fastest growing industry in the world right now because of how critical it is to have a positive reputation on social media and the internet.

CETON needs to learn this concept very quickly or it will not survive. I'm actually anticipating word within the next 12 months that they will file for bankruptcy. Turning into North Korea-style isolationism is the most juvenile and unprofessional defense mechanism a struggling company can make and it speaks volumes about their failed leadership.

Dominos Pizza turned their company around because they exercised the humility to open themselves up to their customers and engage in direct dialogue.

Zappos' customer service model is the envy of many companies because of the long-term impact it has had on revenue, especially from returning customers.

I kept the echo because the main issue I had where the audio would just stop working after awhile was fixed (but still getting the common issue where the audio and video hiccups for a few seconds, and the fact that when I try to load up a previously recorded show, it crashes 80% of the time). But the image quality and audio is perfect when it is working, so it's got enough value that I can hold onto it in hopes that the remaining issues will be fixed. However, if a better solution comes along where I can also play mkv files, I will drop the echo or break down and build a silent HTPC which I was trying to avoid (don't want the added heat, electricity usage, potential noise and don't need full PC functionality).

You guys can debate all you want about the tone and language of posters in this thread whether for or against the product and company, but it doesn't matter. You're wasting your time. I guarantee you that CETON will no longer exist as a company in the near future if they continue operating without a winning customer service model. The only way you can is if you have a product considered to be of considerable value by a large market (e.g. Microsoft) and we can all agree that the Echo does not qualify. It's just too small of a consumer market to be successful with this buggy of a product.

I'm not one to say, "I told you so." So ahead of CETON's announcement of bankruptcy, I will say, "I'm warning you now."

Again, I'm only making this prediction if they continue on their present course of widening the void between themselves and their customers.

I agree with nearly everything you wrote, except one thing. Ceton will most likely go bankrupt whether they fix the customer service or not. The biggest problem is that they build products that are almost exclusively used with a product (Media Center) that isn't even supported or actively developed anymore. If the rumors about the next Xbox having DVR functions are true, I promise that nothing will save Ceton. The secondary market will be so flooded with people unloading their Ceton hardware that they won't get any new sales to keep the revenue stream going. The only hope for Ceton is to build their own software platform that doesn't rely on another company. Maybe something Linux based... Unfortunately, I think their specialization is in hardware, not software.
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The BBB? Small Claims Court? REALLY? I think that as it doesn't work as advertised it should be covered under warranty but that probably will only get you a replacement unit.

Did you read the question I was replying to Sammy2? He was asking for a REFUND not a REPLACEMENT. I offered possibilities to pursue a REFUND.

And yes... the BBB. Why is that so outrageous?
And yes... Small Claims Court. Is that a problem?
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The biggest problem is that they build products that are almost exclusively used with a product (Media Center) that isn't even supported or actively developed anymore.

I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure that I entirely agree ... WMC itself, as displayed via the HTPC itself or via an Xbox as an extender, is in itself solid/stable. It just works. I understand that Microsoft is dumping it going forward, but I don't necessarily think that has anything to with their (Ceton's) problems building an extender. It would seem to me that a lot of people in here (myself included) would be more than happy with the product if it just worked as a WMC extender, even if not for Windows 8 or whatever going forward. This was seemingly the baseline (this is "an extender" after all) and they have not succeeded on this front for a lot of us.

I really think that they are just way in over their heads ... and if they ever tried to use it at home themselves before releasing it to us, they would have realized this. I really think that delaying its release (yes, at the complaint of these forums), hiring a competent crew of programmers and testers ... and taking another six months to make it a stable product before release would have at least prevented their name from being dragged through the mud as it is now. And they've only made things worse by making pseudo promises of "presents" for Christmases long since past and what not (none of which have been kept), to make up for their embarrassment of where it is in the present. Each of these things really knocks down the credibility of the Ceton name. When they announce their next product ("the extender you've really been waiting for"), I'm not sure as many of us will be even a tenth as likely to plop down cash for a pre-order. So instead of their name carrying us in to buy a product (as we did here), they'll have to work that much harder to make the sale upfront the next time around.
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It plays every single channel in my line up without issue but I suppose others have issues with their provider and lineup.

I am confused. Are you the same Sammy2 that posted the comment below at The GreenButton site?
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#24 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:44 pm

This f/w was stable for me at first but now I get a lot of crashes or loss of network problems with it.Sammy2
my2

Edit.....Perhaps this was a networking issue, I saw in a later post that the crashing stopped.

Yup. It is working okay now. I was having some issues with the wireless bridge but after rebooting the bridge the echo worked fine.
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The BBB? Small Claims Court? REALLY? I think that as it doesn't work as advertised it should be covered under warranty but that probably will only get you a replacement unit.

Did you read the question I was replying to Sammy2? He was asking for a REFUND not a REPLACEMENT. I offered possibilities to pursue a REFUND.

And yes... the BBB. Why is that so outrageous?
And yes... Small Claims Court. Is that a problem?

I did read the question. The Better Business Bureau is nothing but a group of businesses looking out for their interests and in these parts getting a court date is nearly impossible in small claims courts; which doesn't matter much because the judge would look at the terms of the sale, the extended return period, evidence of known issues and the warranty and send the plaintiff packing. After paying your and ceton's court fees you would end up out double what you paid in the first place. Then there's the issue of venue.. Maybe this case should be heard in Washington State and not the court nearest you.
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Originally Posted by jeonunh View Post

If you bought the Echo after beta, stop complaining, you should have read the reviews first, or you should have shipped it back.

No. I will keep on complaining while I have $400 dollars of hardware here that was crippled by the latest F/W, and doesn't do what it was advertised to do by the manufacturer.

Edit: Obviously I am one of those people that got excited at the last State of the Echo, and foolishly decided to keep my two.

Edit 2: If I could get $150, I might consider ebaying, but prices on there right now are not promising.
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I don't know why I thought with an email telling me there were 48 new posts in the thread something useful or interesting happened. Perhaps AVS needs a forum for posting advice on how Ceton should operate their business?
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Are you still making this comment based on a 19" TV? I am running on a 120" projector screen, the the deinterlacing is still far inferior to the XBOX.

I've got it on a 50" plasma, two 42" plasmas, a 40" LCD, and a 32" LED.... Flawless on every HD channel I subscribe to.
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That is so far from the truth Sammy2 and I have the testing, eyes and equipment that proved it.

I've got my own two eyes, and it plays just as well as the cable co's equipment did. If it takes special testing equipment to notice issues then it's no issue in my book.
Edited by tjgertge - 4/10/13 at 9:39pm
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I've got my own two eyes, and it plays just as well as the cable co's equipment did. If it takes special testing equipment to notice issues then it's no issue in my book.

Sure makes it confusing for followers of the thread. Perhaps if there was more information such as firmware version, a/v equipment, cable provider and area one could make more sense of what is going on. I would like to know if the stable version of the firmware is stable?
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