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Check the scene starting at about 5:19 when they walk across the parking lot. That scene looks pretty rough with the Echo set at 720p. I switched it to native and got some combing.
FW version 2013.320.1349


I will test it out on some different TVs, but here is video shot with my galaxy nexus on my tv here in my office. Settings are bitstreaming on and native. Firmware 2013.320.1349

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWBAv6JM8IA&feature=youtu.be



Additionally I am not an expert on the 29/59 framerate stuff, eric knows about that stuff much more than I.

That is about the same as it looks for me on mine too..
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So now I have watched this clip on both my echo and my HTPC and am not really seeing a difference in playback.
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This is some of the things I was seeing from the get go with all FWs. Wondering why it's just now manifesting with others? confused.gif

I suspect some TV's are better at cleaning up the mess that Echo is putting out. Also people differ in their tolerance of judder, stuttering, and poor deinterlacing. I can easily see the decoding and deinterlacing errors in the youtube clip posted by Ceton.

I would also like to point out that there is no such thing as a 29/59 frame rate bug in the source. These are perfectly valid MPEG2 bitstreams that are encoded using field repeat flags and a combination of progressive and interlaced frames to improve compression efficiency. The bug exists only in badly designed decoders. This is why your cable STB or Xbox 360 has no trouble playing these files because there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm not sure if the Freescale SoC is even capable of properly de-interlacing this kind of content. If I were Ceton, I would try to implement a 1080i pass-through mode that honors the field-repeat flags and outputs a properly weaved signal at constant fps. This would allow the TV to deal with the problem, just as it does for your cable STB.
post #7114 of 7721
thanks for the info foxbat and cnews!
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So can anyone give a summary of the status of the Echo at this point?
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So can anyone give a summary of the status of the Echo at this point?

See this post on the previous page #7107 and the one below it.
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I haven't read through the entire thread (admittedly) but it seems as if the echo has it's fair share of problems. Would it be a wise choice to pick up a used XBOX slim (for less than the asking price of an echo) and use that as an extender? Are there any features I would be missing by foregoing the echo? Sorry if this has been answered already!

You are not missing anything. Echo currently has less feature than Xbox (can't play many video formats, don't support Windows 8 etc.). Most of us here are early adopters who already owned the device for a while. I won't recommend anyone jump in buy a new Echo at this stage.

Actually Windows 8 does not support extenders other than the Xbox. This is MicroSoft's doing and it effects all legacy extenders and the echo. The echo is the only one other than the Xbox under active development but it remains to be seen if it can be forced to work under Win8 when it is running under android.
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See this post on the previous page #7107 and the one below it.

Thanks. The small footprint and power consumption looks nice, but at $179.99 vs getting a used XBox for around $50 on Ebay, can't justify it unless it also was handling the high bit rate MKV's and HD audio seemlessly.
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The sad reality is that not much has changed since release. Yet somehow it is still getting good reviews on Amazon (due to low expectations/standards, I guess) to the detriment of unsuspecting new customers.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Actually Windows 8 does not support extenders other than the Xbox. This is MicroSoft's doing and it effects all legacy extenders and the echo. The echo is the only one other than the Xbox under active development but it remains to be seen if it can be forced to work under Win8 when it is running under android.

That doesn't change the fact that the XBOX supports Win 8 while the Echo doesn't which is the comparison that was asked for.
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Sorry for the dumb question, but my first Echo should arrive in a few days and was wondering how best to set it up. Should I simply install the Ceton WMC plugin for it and update from there? Or is there some beta site I need to join to get the most functional firmware at the moment? I'm only using it for cable TV, no file streaming.

Another question, does is work with Xbox Universal Media Remote codes (MCE 116.15) or only with Ceton codes (MCE 52.15)? The former has an additional bit in the header, but I'm not sure if that makes any difference.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Actually Windows 8 does not support extenders other than the Xbox. This is MicroSoft's doing and it effects all legacy extenders and the echo. The echo is the only one other than the Xbox under active development but it remains to be seen if it can be forced to work under Win8 when it is running under android.

That doesn't change the fact that the XBOX supports Win 8 while the Echo doesn't which is the comparison that was asked for.

True but the wording can mislead.
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Sorry for the dumb question, but my first Echo should arrive in a few days and was wondering how best to set it up. Should I simply install the Ceton WMC plugin for it and update from there? Or is there some beta site I need to join to get the most functional firmware at the moment? I'm only using it for cable TV, no file streaming.

Another question, does is work with Xbox Universal Media Remote codes (MCE 116.15) or only with Ceton codes (MCE 52.15)? The former has an additional bit in the header, but I'm not sure if that makes any difference.

Thanks

Install the WMC plug in first. Once paired with your HTPC it will show in the Extras menu whereby you can chose whether to be in the "Stable" channel or "Beta" channel. The latest beta is a bit of a regression from the Stable release so I would suggest using that first. You can also access the echo web GUI by typing its IP address into your browser address bar.

As far as the remote goes, any "official" MCE remote should work. Both my Harmony and any of three WMC remotes I have control it. There is information about remote codes on ceton's website, BTW.

http://cetoncorp.com/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/List/Index/26/echo-wmc-extender

http://cetoncorp.com/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/72/26/echo-ir-remote-hex-codes
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Install the WMC plug in first. Once paired with your HTPC it will show in the Extras menu whereby you can chose whether to be in the "Stable" channel or "Beta" channel. The latest beta is a bit of a regression from the Stable release so I would suggest using that first. You can also access the echo web GUI by typing its IP address into your browser address bar.

As far as the remote goes, any "official" MCE remote should work. Both my Harmony and any of three WMC remotes I have control it. There is information about remote codes on ceton's website, BTW.

http://cetoncorp.com/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/List/Index/26/echo-wmc-extender

http://cetoncorp.com/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/72/26/echo-ir-remote-hex-codes
Perfect. Thanks. I don't use any harmony or WMC remotes at the moment, so was hoping to continue using the xbox codes in my universal without having to reprogram with new WMC or Ceton codes. No big deal, just laziness on my part. Guess I won't know for sure until I try it.

Fingers crossed that Echo will work well enough that I can sell one of my Xboxes.
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I think for your scenario it will. It does for me. I don't have any premium channels that have the 29/59 bug but I tried the sample clip posted a bit up this thread and playback was the same on my HTPC as it was on the echo. There's a couple threads about remotes in the echo sub topic on the Green Button Forum, BTW.
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I think for your scenario it will. It does for me. I don't have any premium channels that have the 29/59 bug but I tried the sample clip posted a bit up this thread and playback was the same on my HTPC as it was on the echo. There's a couple threads about remotes in the echo sub topic on the Green Button Forum, BTW.
Thanks. Just did a search at TGB and found confirmation that Xbox codes do indeed work on the Echo. That's interesting because it means that most significant bit in the header is apparently a don't care. Excellent news for me, bad news for folks with an Echo and Xbox in the same rack.
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Originally Posted by azula View Post

... Would it be a wise choice to pick up a used XBOX slim (for less than the asking price of an echo) and use that as an extender? Are there any features I would be missing by foregoing the echo?...

I sent my Echo back, for all of the listed issues discussed hear. The Xbox is not perfect either, but is an awesome extender compared to where hte Echo is now. As far as loss of features, there are none, actually you gain a few. The Echo does not support the conventional themeing methods around. And the Xbox does. You also get (not through the WMC ui) all of the online venues supported by the xbox.

I currently have two setup sharing folders. One has 4 xboxs and the other has 2 xboxes and and HP x280 extender. I truely wish the Echo could have been the device which put the xbox to rest.
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The sad reality is that not much has changed since release. Yet somehow it is still getting good reviews on Amazon (due to low expectations/standards, I guess) to the detriment of unsuspecting new customers.

I don't think this statement is fair at all. Because the echo works fine in my scenario doesn't mean my expectations/standards are low. I can assure you, with the amount of money I've sank into echos and an HTPC (nearly $3k) if this didn't work perfectly for me no one would be more upset than me. Everyones scenarios are different...doesn't make them inferior.
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Originally Posted by crbaldwin View Post

The sad reality is that not much has changed since release. Yet somehow it is still getting good reviews on Amazon (due to low expectations/standards, I guess) to the detriment of unsuspecting new customers.

I don't think this statement is fair at all. Because the echo works fine in my scenario doesn't mean my expectations/standards are low. I can assure you, with the amount of money I've sank into echos and an HTPC (nearly $3k) if this didn't work perfectly for me no one would be more upset than me. Everyones scenarios are different...doesn't make them inferior.

Are you saying you would rate the echo as a 4 or 5 on amazon? If so then your "ok" with a unit with less capability than current benchmark extenders and or was promised.

I am going off of strictly what current players can do versus the echo + originally published information (since missing). keep in mind that many purchased jumped into the mix with the understanding that support for DTS, HDMI CEC, windows 8 (don't give me the MS pulled a fast one) and various file formats.
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I don't think this statement is fair at all. Because the echo works fine in my scenario doesn't mean my expectations/standards are low. I can assure you, with the amount of money I've sank into echos and an HTPC (nearly $3k) if this didn't work perfectly for me no one would be more upset than me. Everyones scenarios are different...doesn't make them inferior.

I can only laugh at this post. Sorry. Especially the $3K part. Really? hmm...
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Are you saying you would rate the echo as a 4 or 5 on amazon? If so then your "ok" with a unit with less capability than current benchmark extenders and or was promised.

I am going off of strictly what current players can do versus the echo + originally published information (since missing). keep in mind that many purchased jumped into the mix with the understanding that support for DTS, HDMI CEC, windows 8 (don't give me the MS pulled a fast one) and various file formats.

I'd rate it as a 6 if I could. I didn't buy it for all that other "stuff". As I have said in previous posts. My immediate needs of whole home DVR and elimination of cable boxes/fees. It passes that test with flying colors. It plays all of my HD channels without issue. Records TV without issue, and plays back recorded TV without issue. Needs met = happy customer.
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I can only laugh at this post. Sorry. Especially the $3K part. Really? hmm...

Yup... 5 echos = $900 right there, and I built a brand new rack mount HTPC with two infiniTV4s. Maybe closer to $2500 than $3k, but I've still got a lot invested into this. Laugh away. I couldn't be happier.
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that's why I don't trust those amazon reviews, the positive ones anyway.
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It's been tested against other solutions, it's inferior and flawed at this point and I know the feeling of trying to justify one's purchase very well, which is hard to overcome.

I have to say though, I'll be the first one in line buying some once the issues are confirmed ironed out. I wish Ceton well!
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Originally Posted by tjgertge View Post

Yup... 5 echos = $900 right there, and I built a brand new rack mount HTPC with two infiniTV4s. Maybe closer to $2500 than $3k, but I've still got a lot invested into this. Laugh away. I couldn't be happier.

Holy crap. Is all that maintenance time put in/electricity costs/upfront costs to purchase equipment really better, in your mind, than simply renting some boxes from the Cable Co to be done with it???

Man, I just don't have that amount of time and money to spend on watching T.V.
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If you have a large family it isn't just you that is watching the TV. In Charter land, 5 STB's will cost you $65/month in STB/DVR rental fees, so this set up will pay for itself in about 3 years.
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Are you saying you would rate the echo as a 4 or 5 on amazon? If so then your "ok" with a unit with less capability than current benchmark extenders and or was promised.

I am going off of strictly what current players can do versus the echo + originally published information (since missing). keep in mind that many purchased jumped into the mix with the understanding that support for DTS, HDMI CEC, windows 8 (don't give me the MS pulled a fast one) and various file formats.

I'd rate it as a 6 if I could. I didn't buy it for all that other "stuff". As I have said in previous posts. My immediate needs of whole home DVR and elimination of cable boxes/fees. It passes that test with flying colors. It plays all of my HD channels without issue. Records TV without issue, and plays back recorded TV without issue. Needs met = happy customer.
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I can only laugh at this post. Sorry. Especially the $3K part. Really? hmm...

Yup... 5 echos = $900 right there, and I built a brand new rack mount HTPC with two infiniTV4s. Maybe closer to $2500 than $3k, but I've still got a lot invested into this. Laugh away. I couldn't be happier.

All that "other stuff" is what was initially promised and the echo doesn't deliver it. Because of this there is not the expected value in it for the price.
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If you have a large family it isn't just you that is watching the TV. In Charter land, 5 STB's will cost you $65/month in STB/DVR rental fees, so this set up will pay for itself in about 3 years.

Don't confuse him with the math, he wants the cableCo to take care of everything for him. Don't understand why he's even posting in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

If you have a large family it isn't just you that is watching the TV. In Charter land, 5 STB's will cost you $65/month in STB/DVR rental fees, so this set up will pay for itself in about 3 years.

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Don't confuse him with the math, he wants the cableCo to take care of everything for him. Don't understand why he's even posting in this thread.

tjgertge said he also had TWO infiniTV's - so to calculate proper payoff, we'd need to factor cost to have an 8 tuner DVR type of setup from the cableco. If using an apples to apples comparison, his payoff would be less than 3 years.

When I built my htpc from scratch, I spent more than $1k on the pc iteself; i did use some nice parts though. Spending $2500 or so for the total setup doesn't sound out of the ordinary to me...
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It really doesn't matter how you do the math. If he is happy. That's all that matters to HIM. But I just won't trust his review of Echo. Obviously he has no prior experience with any sort of extenders. To him, the WMC + Extender setup works great for him. Much less about Echo itself (with comparison to other extenders).
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

It really doesn't matter how you do the math. If he is happy. That's all that matters to HIM. But I just won't trust his review of Echo. Obviously he has no prior experience with any sort of extenders. To him, the WMC + Extender setup works great for him. Much less about Echo itself (with comparison to other extenders).

+1 You took the words out my mouth. Since he is happy, it makes sense that he would give a good review. I have never taken comments or reviews on a shopping site too seriously.
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