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I only look for negative comments since those are more trust worthy than positive comments (some are obviously from the seller and most have no clue). You shouldn't allow to comment on something you purchased until you used it for 90-day or so smile.gif
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Originally Posted by lfox View Post

After two rounds of correspondence with Ceton - one to send a diagnostic check of the Echo and one to send a diagnostic check of my HTPC the recommendation came to update my Realtek drivers. PROBLEM SOLVED! At least for me.

I have to say that I am pretty happy right now. The little Echo is working well. I have found a couple of files it won't play: one originated on an iphone, the other is an HD MKV rip of the feature film Grand Prix. But for TV and DVR functions it is solid for now. I am going to keep test driving it for a few days and if it holds up order a couple more.
Just got my second Echo yesterday. Had it running in 10 minutes. It is working fine filling my need to provide live TV and DVR capability to a bedroom TV. Time will tell if the hardware will be reliable.
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I only look for negative comments since those are more trust worthy than positive comments (some are obviously from the seller and most have no clue). You shouldn't allow to comment on something you purchased until you used it for 90-day or so smile.gif
I am leery of any individual comment. Negative comments can be posted by competitors or people with an agenda. I look for the majority opinion and use my common sense. Reading this forum for several months kept me from buying an Echo prior to now. But finally I decided I had to try it for myself because it was the solution I was looking for - if it would work. It works so far in my set up. I wish it cost less but at least it comes with a complete set of cables. I just (due to immediate need only) bought a 3 ft cat 5e cable at Radio Shack and the thing was $15!
post #7144 of 7721
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+1 You took the words out my mouth. Since he is happy, it makes sense that he would give a good review. I have never taken comments or reviews on a shopping site too seriously.

I never look very seriously at negative reviews for electronics. Classic example are motherboard reviews like the following. "Piece of junk motherboard won't recognize my 2800 mHZ ddr 3 16 GB heat generator of a stick/memory I mean really it SHOULD work". Then later you find out it's some experimential non=approved memory that the m-board manufacturer never claimed would work. Review after negative review are generally worthless and unhelpful.. I still haven't bought the Echo but a lot of complaints seem to center on features not yet or perhaps ever being available. There appear to be no or very few negative reviews for the core services of playing back live and recorded cable content.

I don't see much benefit over my Linskys WME's yet; other than power consumption. If Ceton gets the hinted at stuff working then you will have my interest. Until then.... lots of haters here for services not yet on the stable or even beta. Please don't flame me for features that Ceton printed would be coming. I know that, they let people down but at this point, punt the thing or wait.

On a side note, I too spent some big bucks on my HTPC but it has 32 GB of Ram (with 16GB assigned to RamDisk use - crazy cool BTW), a Core I7 unlocked processor, silent AMD GPU, an H77 board, two Ceton cards, and a very high end HTPC case. Oh also, nearly 9TB of Raid 5 storage and a quick SSD drive. Some may say my $2,600uber HTPC is overkill but I say hogwash. It does not skip, stumble skip or attempt anything weird. I can load a disk via ramDisk for Blu Ray consumption in less than 3 seconds from WMC to go time.

Not direceted to the quoter but name me a cable box that can stream to 5 devices, has over 9TB of storage (and expandable with my 40 TB of servers), has 8 tuners and no box fees; other than the $.99 I pay each month for an extra cable card. With cable solutions, you can't do this. Ido it for peanuts each month in subsription costs and I long ago hit the breakeven point on the Ceton Tuners, second hand Linksys WME's. I will have paid for all the drives in savings in 3 more months. It would easy cost me $200 additional per month to get 6 cable boxes with HD and DVR capacity. Still would not have whole home single site storage though.

So, I go back to my negative comments and haters. It is good to seek out knowledge but do not hate for hate sake. There is no cable option that allows the crazy flexibility a PC based solution provides. OTOH, PC's notoriously brak/glitch and are not nearly as WAF capable as a simple limited cable box.
post #7145 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

If you have a large family it isn't just you that is watching the TV. In Charter land, 5 STB's will cost you $65/month in STB/DVR rental fees, so this set up will pay for itself in about 3 years.

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Don't confuse him with the math, he wants the cableCo to take care of everything for him. Don't understand why he's even posting in this thread.

tjgertge said he also had TWO infiniTV's - so to calculate proper payoff, we'd need to factor cost to have an 8 tuner DVR type of setup from the cableco. If using an apples to apples comparison, his payoff would be less than 3 years.

When I built my htpc from scratch, I spent more than $1k on the pc iteself; i did use some nice parts though. Spending $2500 or so for the total setup doesn't sound out of the ordinary to me...

As Charter doesn't have an 8 tuner DVR that is hard to figure. Each of there DVR's has two tuners so it would be 10 total but there would not be a whole home solution like WMC provides.
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My first need was whole home DVR. Optimum-West (which just got purchased by Charter) didn't even offer a whole home DVR system.

Second, I am saving roughly $70 a month figuring in DVR fees and set top box fees.

I needed the ability for more storage and more flexible recording (hence the 8 tuners and 3TB drives). So all in all, it wasn't just about eliminating monthly cost, it was about getting features the cable-co couldn't offer.

The HTPC is very low power consumption. I never looked at the wattage of the Cable-co's STB, but I'd be willing to bet that my system, with all 5 echos running, would equal 2 of the cable-co's DVR boxes.

I have seen the x-box used as an extender, but have not personally done this myself. To me, it's a waste of a gaming console to only use it as an extender, even though it may be the same cost or less. Also, it's about the foot print. I can hide a tiny echo much easier than an x-box, and the echo is silent.

Now look. I've said it before. I may be guilty of being too big of a Ceton cheerleader. But I think they're going to get this android firmware out and that will smoke the competition. I'll leverage the new features that come with it, but that's not WHY I bought the echos. My experience hasn't been perfect out of the gate. I went through all the deinterlacing, green screen, and audio issues everyone else did in the beginning. But once those were corrected I have been a very happy camper.
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But I think they're going to get this android firmware out and that will smoke the competition.
I hope it's ready for primetime when they put android out. I don't want to start all over again. The Echo is very close to what I need it to be right now. I started with one Echo just to test. I have three of them being used daily now. Fix the current HBO bug and I'm happy with it "as is". I have too much invested to be an early adopter again.
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But I think they're going to get this android firmware out and that will smoke the competition.
I hope it's ready for primetime when they put android out. I don't want to start all over again. The Echo is very close to what I need it to be right now. I started with one Echo just to test. I have three of them being used daily now. Fix the current HBO bug and I'm happy with it "as is". I have too much invested to be an early adopter again.

I'd say fix the diinterlacing and 29/59 crap and I can live with it. Wouldn't run out to buy more but I'd keep it for now. At least until fios rolls out their server based setup..like a genie or hopper.
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At least until fios rolls out their server based setup..like a genie or hopper.
Is FiOS rolling out something new?
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At least until fios rolls out their server based setup..like a genie or hopper.
Is FiOS rolling out something new?

Expected in sept



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ivo-lukas/nab-show-2013s-top-produc_b_3080727.html

The rumor is you get cloud storage of certain things, unlimited expansion of space and tuners and the capability to do wireless. We will see.

http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r28210591-DVR-Media-Server-Reportedly-Coming-in-September
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The rumor is you get cloud storage of certain things, unlimited expansion of space and tuners and the capability to do wireless. We will see.
Interesting. Thanks.
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Yup. $30 more and it will be in the sweet spot. We have been saying all along that it was priced waaaay to high for its broken features. Newegg looks to be dumping it.
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Ok, I've been holding off on the Echo until it's mostly stable. I've followed this thread off and on since the beginning and I did see the post (and answer) a few days ago asking about the state of the echo, but it didn't really answer my main question. Strictly for live and recorded TV, how is the Echo doing these days? The Newegg price has got me marginally interested in the little bugger again.
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Originally Posted by defrederickjr View Post

Ok, I've been holding off on the Echo until it's mostly stable. I've followed this thread off and on since the beginning and I did see the post (and answer) a few days ago asking about the state of the echo, but it didn't really answer my main question. Strictly for live and recorded TV, how is the Echo doing these days? The Newegg price has got me marginally interested in the little bugger again.

Pretty well for me but others have stated issues with playback of premium channels such as HBO with the 29/59 bug. A clip with this issue was posted a while back. I played it on both my echo and my HTPC and did not notice any difference in playback from one to the other. They both exhibited the same issues at the same time stamp locations. At $130 I'm interested myself in grabbing another one.
post #7156 of 7721
Took the Echo on the road with me for a few weeks...

Turns out it is utterly useless, outside the confines of my home.

Since it doesn't support Static IPs I had to enable ICS on my laptop, which worked well when I tested it at home, but once I got on the road, it turned out that ICS doesn't seem to remember previous DHCP assignments, so you always get a new IP every time you connect. The problem with that is that the Echo won't actually connect when it gets a different IP.

From what I can tell, every time you get a new IP, you have to uninstall the Echo from the WMC machine and re-pair. I'd also be willing to wager, that many of the people complaining about having to re-pair their echo or getting stuck on the "connecting" screens are experience that problem because their IP address changed. (something else took that IP so DHCP assigned another one maybe?) Anyway, this behavior makes the Echo pretty much useless on the road. I was hoping to use it for watching some BBC Earth documentaries while nodding off to sleep, but alas, the calming sounds of David Attenborough elude me.

So unless I leave my laptop, and the Echo, on 24/7, I'm going to have to re-pair every time I want to watch something, and that's if the Echo never reboots on its own accord ( which it seems to do frequently)

The simple solution would appear to be Static IP addressing, but myself and a few others, get poo-pooed over at TGB every time it gets brought up.

I have to verify when I get home, but I'm pretty sure my XBoxes don't have to re-pair when they get a new IP address. I'm 100% sure that they can be configured for a Static IP though. Just sayin.
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So beside live/recorded TV, how does this thing play MKV's if at all?
post #7158 of 7721
Once again a discount with no incentive to buy. Couple this with a significant firmware update or announcement on where things are headed and you might have something...
post #7159 of 7721
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Pretty well for me but others have stated issues with playback of premium channels such as HBO with the 29/59 bug, and occasional rebooting, and deinterlacing/scaling issues on non-premium channels... A clip with this issue was posted a while back. I played it on both my echo and my HTPC and did not notice any difference in playback from one to the other. They both exhibited the same issues at the same time stamp locations. At $130 I'm interested myself in grabbing another one.

Fixed that for you.

MKV's?

Hit or miss. Depending on what codecs are used, and how they streams are encoded, it may or not play them. H.264, with constant framerate, and <8 b/ref-frames and AC-3 audio (or DTS if using Shark007 on htpc) seems to play play pretty well if no subtitles are included, and you keep the bitrate, reasonable.

Constant bitrate will play fine pretty reliably under a certain threshhold (that escapes me at the moment, but I want to say around 9-10mb/s) and VBR works well until you encounter a fast motion/panning/complex scene, at which point it starts stuttering.

Please do not change what I say.
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Originally Posted by ajhieb View Post

Took the Echo on the road with me for a few weeks...

Turns out it is utterly useless, outside the confines of my home.

Since it doesn't support Static IPs I had to enable ICS on my laptop, which worked well when I tested it at home, but once I got on the road, it turned out that ICS doesn't seem to remember previous DHCP assignments, so you always get a new IP every time you connect. The problem with that is that the Echo won't actually connect when it gets a different IP.

From what I can tell, every time you get a new IP, you have to uninstall the Echo from the WMC machine and re-pair. I'd also be willing to wager, that many of the people complaining about having to re-pair their echo or getting stuck on the "connecting" screens are experience that problem because their IP address changed. (something else took that IP so DHCP assigned another one maybe?) Anyway, this behavior makes the Echo pretty much useless on the road. I was hoping to use it for watching some BBC Earth documentaries while nodding off to sleep, but alas, the calming sounds of David Attenborough elude me.

So unless I leave my laptop, and the Echo, on 24/7, I'm going to have to re-pair every time I want to watch something, and that's if the Echo never reboots on its own accord ( which it seems to do frequently)

The simple solution would appear to be Static IP addressing, but myself and a few others, get poo-pooed over at TGB every time it gets brought up.

I have to verify when I get home, but I'm pretty sure my XBoxes don't have to re-pair when they get a new IP address. I'm 100% sure that they can be configured for a Static IP though. Just sayin.

I am not sure exactly what you are trying to do by taking it on the road but I think this is outside the design intent which is to have it connected to a home network.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Please do not change what I say.

I didn't change what you said.

You said others reported some problems. I expanded what others have reported. Your message was untouched.

If you can speak for everyone else, so can I.
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I am not sure exactly what you are trying to do by taking it on the road but I think this is outside the design intent which is to have it connected to a home network.

I was trying to use the Echo as a Media Center Extender, as it was designed... i.e. connected to a WMC computer, and playing media from the library.
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Please do not change what I say.

I didn't change what you said.

You said others reported some problems. I expanded what others have reported. Your message was untouched.

If you can speak for everyone else, so can I.

Actually, buy using a quote but adding to what I actually said you have changed what I said. If someone did not read the original post it would be construed as that is what I said.
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I am not sure exactly what you are trying to do by taking it on the road but I think this is outside the design intent which is to have it connected to a home network.

I was trying to use the Echo as a Media Center Extender, as it was designed... i.e. connected to a WMC computer, and playing media from the library.

Okay. So you thought that taking it on the road would somehow make it playback content that it is already known to not play? Why not just connect your laptop directly to whatever TV you have available to you on the road.
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Okay. So you thought that taking it on the road would somehow make it playback content that it is already known to not play? Why not just connect your laptop directly to whatever TV you have available to you on the road.

No, I thought I would take it on the road, and it would playback the same content that it plays at home. The Echo also gives me the ability to use a remote and continue to use my laptop while media is playing.
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Ok, so between the two of you, obviously some people are reporting issues with playback of premium channels such as HBO with the 29/59 bug, and occasional rebooting, and deinterlacing/scaling issues on non-premium channels. Some are, some aren't. How frequent and how bad would you say these issues are? Say on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being "eh, not a big deal at all", and 10 being "THAT #@%*!&'n THING IS WIGGING OUT AGAIN!!!" Just trying to figure out what my price-point would be for a box with issues.
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Ok, so between the two of you, obviously some people are reporting issues with playback of premium channels such as HBO with the 29/59 bug, and occasional rebooting, and deinterlacing/scaling issues on non-premium channels. Some are, some aren't. How frequent and how bad would you say these issues are? Say on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being "eh, not a big deal at all", and 10 being "THAT #@%*!&'n THING IS WIGGING OUT AGAIN!!!" Just trying to figure out what my price-point would be for a box with issues.

The 1-10 scale will vary greatly depending on each issue and who you ask. I think an embedded device that reboots/freezes once a day is horrifying/unacceptable.

Stuttering and deinterlacing/scaling issues vary greatly per cable provider, channel, TV and viewer. Some providers transmit their content differently, some channels from the same provider will be transmitted differently, some TVs clean up a crappy picture better than others and some people have better vision than others.

Your mileage may vary, is an understatement.

That being said, I'm using Insight Cable (recently acquired by TWC) and have no premium channels. I can't say that I've bothered to watch anything that is Standard Def, but the 720p content seems to be on par, with the XBox and motorola STB. 1080i stuff (mostly local channels that I don't oftenwatch except for sports) has some very noticeable combing.
Edited by ajhieb - 4/22/13 at 7:34am
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Ok, so between the two of you, obviously some people are reporting issues with playback of premium channels such as HBO with the 29/59 bug, and occasional rebooting, and deinterlacing/scaling issues on non-premium channels. Some are, some aren't. How frequent and how bad would you say these issues are? Say on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being "eh, not a big deal at all", and 10 being "THAT #@%*!&'n THING IS WIGGING OUT AGAIN!!!" Just trying to figure out what my price-point would be for a box with issues.

The 1-10 scale will vary greatly depending on each issue and who you ask. I think an embedded device that reboots/freezes once a day is horrifying/unacceptable.

Stuttering and deinterlacing/scaling issues vary greatly per cable provider, channel, TV and viewer. Some providers transmit their content differently, some channels from the same provider will be transmitted differently, some TVs clean up a crappy picture better than others and some people have better vision than others.

Your mileage may vary, is an understatement.

I will say that it does freeze and reboot all too often and then it will go for hours and hours.
Edited by Sammy2 - 4/22/13 at 7:45am
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Thanks for the excellent info, guys. I think I'll be waiting for some updates or a bigger price drop.
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Thanks for the excellent info, guys. I think I'll be waiting for some updates or a bigger price drop.

Plays perfectly fine for me on all HD channels. No deinterlacing or audio issue. I have five of them on a variety of different TVs.
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