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post #7291 of 7721
And more importantly, it locks you into their crappy boxes.
post #7292 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

at&t's Uverse is pure crap. It is so pixelated it is nearly un-watchable for me.

is uverse purely IP based? I always thought they were a direct competitor to fiber based services.
post #7293 of 7721
Uverse uses MCE embedded. It is very similar to WMC. The only thing I miss is the picture in picture while scanning channels.

They are IP based but are fiber to the node and then twisted pair copper from the node to the residence. Because of this last mile limitation they have to highly compress their signal and they use a form of SDV too where only 4 "streams" are available at any given time. I may have used the wrong term, it is littered with floating macro-blocking in the background of scenes.
post #7294 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Uverse uses MCE embedded. It is very similar to WMC. The only thing I miss is the picture in picture while scanning channels.

They are IP based but are fiber to the node and then twisted pair copper from the node to the residence. Because of this last mile limitation they have to highly compress their signal and they use a form of SDV too where only 4 "streams" are available at any given time. I may have used the wrong term, it is littered with floating macro-blocking in the background of scenes.

Ah i see. I always assumed they were fiber all the way to the home and then copper internal.
post #7295 of 7721
AFAIK, only Verizon's FiOS (and the one company they sold a chunk of it to) do fiber to the home. The Fed Gov handed out money a decade or so ago with the agreement all the major carriers (who all took the money) would provide fiber to the home for a specific number of people. They all requested extensions, but only Verizon actually completed the task. The others took the money and ran.
post #7296 of 7721
can you plug an AC wireless usb stick into the echo?
post #7297 of 7721
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Originally Posted by ernicoats View Post

can you plug an AC wireless usb stick into the echo?

Those wireless USB sticks are useless without installing a driver. How do you propose to install your driver even if it were available in Echo's supported platform? In other words, no, you can only use those things with a PC. Nothing else.
post #7298 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Uverse uses MCE embedded. It is very similar to WMC. The only thing I miss is the picture in picture while scanning channels.

They are IP based but are fiber to the node and then twisted pair copper from the node to the residence. Because of this last mile limitation they have to highly compress their signal and they use a form of SDV too where only 4 "streams" are available at any given time. I may have used the wrong term, it is littered with floating macro-blocking in the background of scenes.

Mediaroom is actually not WMC embedded. They forked the codebase in the XP days, so it was based on WMC, but it's not the same anymore

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Originally Posted by ernicoats View Post

can you plug an AC wireless usb stick into the echo?

No, the USB port is only for IR receivers at this point in time.
Edited by erickotz - 4/29/13 at 6:23pm
post #7299 of 7721
Okay but the transition from uverse to WMC was very easy as they look and behave very similar.
post #7300 of 7721
Eric:
As long as you're here, what can you tell us about progress with Android? Over on The Green Button, I think we're all going crazy from the lack of news.
Thanks.
post #7301 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

at&t's Uverse is pure crap. It is so pixelated it is nearly un-watchable for me.

Yet if you look at the linked article, AT&T had the largest yearly subscriber growth of all providers. The majority of viewers out there don't give a crap about quality. They just want as many channels as possible at the lowest cost possible. It's pretty sad. I've watched HDTV service deteriorate steadily over the years since it was first introduced. I hear Intel is now trying to get into IPTV too. Can't wait to see how bad that will look.
post #7302 of 7721
That's true, when I do the occasional wireless network scan I see a lot of 2Wire U-Verse gateways out there that I haven't seen before, as well as many more trips to our subdivision by AT&T trucks. People are trying to reduce their TV costs and don't care about the quality of the pic, hell I'm sure half of them are still watching stretched SD channels on HD sets.
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

That's true, when I do the occasional wireless network scan I see a lot of 2Wire U-Verse gateways out there that I haven't seen before, as well as many more trips to our subdivision by AT&T trucks. People are trying to reduce their TV costs and don't care about the quality of the pic, hell I'm sure half of them are still watching stretched SD channels on HD sets.

I don't think that any of uverse's content is in SD but it may as well be because it isn't HD for sure.
post #7304 of 7721
Once again, Ceton makes a brief visit to the thread to participate in non-Echo discussion. I'm glad they're nerds like us, but my confidence in their ability to finish this product has gone through the floor.
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Originally Posted by dabretty View Post

Once again, Ceton makes a brief visit to the thread to participate in non-Echo discussion. I'm glad they're nerds like us, but my confidence in their ability to finish this product has gone through the floor.
Eric is their QA manager, not their marketing guy. For all we know, the non-marketing employees may have been told to keep their mouths shut about works in progress which isn't entirely unreasonable IMHO. That obviously doesn't excuse any lack of progress, a promised state of the Echo that was supposedly in the works several weeks ago, etc. but I don't think we should crucify them only because their employees aren't feeding us information here in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

Yet if you look at the linked article, AT&T had the largest yearly subscriber growth of all providers. The majority of viewers out there don't give a crap about quality. They just want as many channels as possible at the lowest cost possible. It's pretty sad. I've watched HDTV service deteriorate steadily over the years since it was first introduced. I hear Intel is now trying to get into IPTV too. Can't wait to see how bad that will look.

I have spoken with some of the people I know that have dropped or switched from cable since the big switch to all digital and HDTVs. Some have switched to satellite while others have switched to AT&T Internet along with OTA, Netflix type solutions. The biggest reason is cost followed by quality issues. I do cringe every time I see the blocky picture in pans and closeups while watching some of the 1080i content from CBS and others. Comcast's continual monopolistic push to get the monthly bill as high a humanly possible is shutting out some that simply cannot afford it. Comcast is not reaching out to these people so this must be a corporate decision as they look to other avenues of profit. I think it's great that alternatives are coming on line to fill the gap. I feel sorry for those that have the AT&T Uverse package, that is just terrible. I can see many of those leaving them as soon as they can get out of their contract. IMHO clearly the lack of a complete standard for HDTV is creating quality issues, confusion and dissatisfaction for consumers. I can see where the lack of a complete standard for HDTV has hurt the Echo making it much more difficult to create a quality picture out of this mess.
post #7307 of 7721
Most of the peopl I know that have switched to Uverse have done so for one channel - The Longhorn Network. To be fair, there's some selection bias since most of the people I know are in or from Texas! Many of the cable systems in Texas still don't have the channel, but Uverse and Fios do. They actually had to bring installers from out of state to handle all the Uverse installs when the channel became available last year.

The report on quality seems to be 50/50. Some people think it looks great (granted they are often coming from TWC whose quality isn't so great) others complain abou it.
post #7308 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I don't think that any of uverse's content is in SD but it may as well be because it isn't HD for sure.


I was the first in my area to get Uverse. When I initially called the first thing I asked was about picture quality. I was told by more than one AT&T employee that it was comparable to Blu-Ray.... What a load of crap that was!
They spent the whole day at my house doing the install. Once the first TV was fired up, I was hoping some setting was wrong. The picture quality was absolutely horrible. I had them take everything back out the same day.
Sammy's quote is on the money. It seemed more like SD to me.
post #7309 of 7721
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Eric is their QA manager, not their marketing guy. For all we know, the non-marketing employees may have been told to keep their mouths shut about works in progress which isn't entirely unreasonable IMHO. That obviously doesn't excuse any lack of progress, a promised state of the Echo that was supposedly in the works several weeks ago, etc. but I don't think we should crucify them only because their employees aren't feeding us information here in this thread.

+1

That in and of itself is why the Echo had over rated expectations. and such a poor reaction when the beta hit. I know I was really disapointed by the release specs alone, no to mention what has transpired since.

If nothing was ever said or promised I beleve they woul dbe in much better shape then they are now. Damage control is never easy. That's why most companies don't particepate in public forums. JMO.
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

If nothing was ever said or promised I beleve they woul dbe in much better shape then they are now. Damage control is never easy. That's why most companies don't particepate in public forums. JMO.
I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of recent progress. When they were trying different firmware versions every few weeks it gave me the feeling that they were hard at work. Now my only hope is that 99% of their efforts are going into getting the android platform perfect before releasing it. Time will tell, but in the meantime I'm stuck with a buggy beta firmware on one of my Echos.
post #7311 of 7721
I think that the entire focus of the development team is on the android solution. Sit tight.

I know it has been six months now and the current state of the echo is quite frustrating but I'm still rooting for ceton to pull this off.
post #7312 of 7721
I have been reading this thread from sidelines. Has the Ceton Echo team officially acknowledged that issues exist that need to be fixed? If not then things don't look good and its probably a hardware/soc issue that cannot be fixed by software.
post #7313 of 7721
They have acknowledged that things need to be fixed in the blogs over on their website.
post #7314 of 7721
It seems unlikely that Android will magically fix current playback issues, add DTS support, etc....
post #7315 of 7721
If it is a h/w problem then you are correct.

If it is an issue with WMX then android could provide the solution.
post #7316 of 7721
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

+1

That in and of itself is why the Echo had over rated expectations. and such a poor reaction when the beta hit. I know I was really disapointed by the release specs alone, no to mention what has transpired since.

If nothing was ever said or promised I beleve they woul dbe in much better shape then they are now. Damage control is never easy. That's why most companies don't particepate in public forums. JMO.

Part of the problem is that they have a niche product and places such as AVSForum are where a lot of their prospective customers hang out. They more or less have to have a presence here since they are a small company...but like you said, being here brings its own problems. It is a catch-22.
post #7317 of 7721
The ECHO has turned into a fracking joke! I can only see it as an orphaned product at this time. They had a list of features (during the beta) that were ACCEPTED but the majority of them were never implemented, there are outstanding issues, mine reboots on its own fairly regularly and when I have opened support calls I feel like I am being challenged as to what the problem is. If I watch a recorded show for any length of time the display will start jerking, like it's hiccuping, stop the recording and restart all is OK again. I'm not making this crap up...but they act like I am so I've stopped opening tickets, ends up just being a waste of my time and I've already spend enough time on this broken crap. So I patiently wait, like I've been doing for the last 6 months. This is a failed product and I should have stood my ground and returned it before the extended return policy expired but they successfully scammed me....I fell for their lies...Android my #$$..

I just think that they are compounding their problems by being silent still. They dangled the Android carrot in front of us, it's time to give it to us so we can feast! At least tell us you are still actively working on it????? The longer it goes on the less respect I have for Ceton as a company, and I will tell friends (not that they act like they care).
post #7318 of 7721
I've tried to be optimistic, but at this point I just don't see anything to look forward too.

We're 6 months into the stage-2 beta release of these damn things and Ceton is now in radio silence. All signs point to them having shipped a boatload of units with shiny new FreeScale CPUs that aren't up to the task of being an MCX. FreeScale and/or Ceton don't seem to be up to the task of fixing the myriad of problems that still plague the Echo. Not to mention they evidently proceeded to make the device under the impression that it would work on Win8 without bothering to get anything in writing from Microsoft (which is totally inexcusable)

So if the firmware release frequency is any indication, they've all but quit on making any improvements on the MCX side of things (at least for the time being) and shifted gears to making android work, which I guess could all of their stability, performance, and compatibility problems, except for one minor thing... It isn't really a MCX any more which is what I paid for.

Sure, Ceton has assured everyone that they are hard at work and it will all eventually work just great, and we should all just wait happily until that moment, but I'll also remind you that Ceton hasn't exactly been completely honest about the Echo from Day 1 so I'm not sure how much faith should be put into their promises. Even if we don't count all of the delays that happened in the Beta process, and the initial release they still weren't on the level with the features that would be supported by the Echo. Sure, they've gone back and deleted posts and updated their product page to reflect the "revisions" that have happened, they've still failed to deliver what they've promised.

They may very well release a perfectly functional firmware tomorrow, but even if they do I don't know if it will be enough to keep the product viable. Do you really think sales are going to pick up significantly without some vast improvements in the device? Without a continued source of revenue, do you really think Ceton will still be sinking significant development funds into the Echo (if they even have funds at that point) At some point they'll have to cut their losses and start working on The Next Big Thing.

I'm done beta testing. No more bug reports. No more tickets, no more complaining. I'm getting my XBoxes back out and I'm moving on. Somebody PM me when they have it working as advertised.
post #7319 of 7721
Okay.
post #7320 of 7721
I'm glad I have your blessing, Sammy2
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