or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › Official Ceton Echo Extender Info Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Ceton Echo Extender Info Thread - Page 251  

post #7501 of 7721
I suppose if you have an android enabled device connected to your TV that you could install the app on that would be one solution but I believe that this will be an app that is specific to the echo such as the kindle OS is specific to the kindle but has android underneath.
post #7502 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by RTK View Post

I have only intermittently been following this thread but just wondering if Ceton is truly developing a version of Android to run on Echo which will then run MCE or an app to function as an MCE extender, what's point of purchasing an Echo? Why not just sell the MCE/MCE extender Android app and call it a day?.

And run it on what? How many Echo-like Android boxes are out there? I suppose you could do a GoogleTV app, but from what I understand not all GoogleTV boxes will play mpeg2.

Besides, they're having a hard enough time getting good video playback support on hardware that was built for this (sort of).
post #7503 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

And run it on what? How many Echo-like Android boxes are out there? I suppose you could do a GoogleTV app, but from what I understand not all GoogleTV boxes will play mpeg2.

Besides, they're having a hard enough time getting good video playback support on hardware that was built for this (sort of).

Err - there are a TON of Android TV boxes and sticks out there!

AMAZON

I didn't look at a ton of them, but the ones I did do support Hulu.

xnappo
Edited by xnappo - 5/13/13 at 5:51am
post #7504 of 7721
There could be dual income streams but writing the echo/android OS for a multitude of devices could be a problem too.
post #7505 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by RTK View Post

I have only intermittently been following this thread but just wondering if Ceton is truly developing a version of Android to run on Echo which will then run MCE or an app to function as an MCE extender, what's point of purchasing an Echo? Why not just sell the MCE/MCE extender Android app and call it a day?.
Makes sense. But I think Ceton primarily wants to make and sell hardware. Like other consumer electronics hardware companies, the do just enough software to make their own devices work and have no interest in selling their software, just as Tivo or DirecTV have no interest in selling their Linux based DVR software.

Nearly everybody can do Hulu+, Netflix, etc. But only Ceton and Xbox can do WMC. And if Ceton adds Netflix, etc., they'll have the only subscription-free box that can do it all - streaming services, Android apps, and WMC. I also think developing a good Android platform may also be the first step to their own DVR/Tuner software outside of WMC.
post #7506 of 7721
Looks like the 6 tuner iTVs are ready for prime time.

http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=d8df9c2734d4388754bd41fd3&id=3811adc97c
post #7507 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by snappjay View Post

Looks like the 6 tuner iTVs are ready for prime time.

http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=d8df9c2734d4388754bd41fd3&id=3811adc97c


So have they dropped all plans for the 6-tuner DVR? Instead they're coming out with this?
post #7508 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

So have they dropped all plans for the 6-tuner DVR? Instead they're coming out with this?
They had actually announced they were working on the 6 tuner card long before there was ever talk of the Q. It's hard to say if the Q is completely dead or if it will resurface at some point, but I'd assume it's dead for now.
post #7509 of 7721
The Ethernet SKU though looks like a double version of the HD Home Run Prime?
post #7510 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

The Ethernet SKU though looks like a double version of the HD Home Run Prime?

HDHomerun had a 6-tuner version as well but that one needs two CableCard, two tuning adapter, two coax connection and two power supplies, basically two 3-tuner version bundled together.

This new iTV version looks like exactly what I'm looking for (single cable card and single tuning adapter) but given multitude of the networking related issues HDHomerun has to overcome (from rogue routers to rogue NICs), I'd wait and see how stable is Ceton's first networked tuners.

Hopefully, SD will repsond with a 6-tuner version with H.264 conversion hardware on board smile.gif Competition is good for customers.
post #7511 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

The Ethernet SKU though looks like a double version of the HD Home Run Prime?

Silicon Dust did sell a double version which required 2 cable cards to use 6 tuners allowing providers like Comcast to charge 2 cablecard fees and 2 per outlet fees. The InfiniTV 6 has 6 tuners using only 1 cablecard, 1 cablecard fee and 1 per outlet fee which makes the InfiniTV 6 very compelling.
post #7512 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

The Ethernet SKU though looks like a double version of the HD Home Run Prime?
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post

They had actually announced they were working on the 6 tuner card long before there was ever talk of the Q. It's hard to say if the Q is completely dead or if it will resurface at some point, but I'd assume it's dead for now.

We've had 6-tuner technology for ever (I actually had a 6-tuner InfiniTV at home even before we shipped our initial 4-tuner units). That said, it takes a lot of puzzle pieces fitting together to bring a prototype to market, hence the delays.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

The Ethernet SKU though looks like a double version of the HD Home Run Prime?

Silicondust's "6-tuner" was nothing like ours. They literally crammed 3 tuner HDHomerun Prime units in a single case (they operated as 2 separate units, took 2 CableCARDs, 2 TAs, 2 Ethernet cables, etc). The InfiniTV ETH 6 is a single 6-tuner unit with all 6 tuners on a single device, and uses only 1 CableCARD, 1 TA, and 1 Ethernet connection. We could (don't read too far into this) stick 1 InfiniTV ETH 6 units in a single chassis and call it a "12 tuner InfiniTV" and that would basically be how SD did a 6-tuner unit.
post #7513 of 7721
And here all this time we thought all ceton resources were dedicated to getting the echo going better.

Any updates on the ECHO?
post #7514 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by erickotz View Post


We've had 6-tuner technology for ever (I actually had a 6-tuner InfiniTV at home even before we shipped our initial 4-tuner units). That said, it takes a lot of puzzle pieces fitting together to bring a prototype to market, hence the delays.
Silicondust's "6-tuner" was nothing like ours. They literally crammed 3 tuner HDHomerun Prime units in a single case (they operated as 2 separate units, took 2 CableCARDs, 2 TAs, 2 Ethernet cables, etc). The InfiniTV ETH 6 is a single 6-tuner unit with all 6 tuners on a single device, and uses only 1 CableCARD, 1 TA, and 1 Ethernet connection. We could (don't read too far into this) stick 1 InfiniTV ETH 6 units in a single chassis and call it a "12 tuner InfiniTV" and that would basically be how SD did a 6-tuner unit.
If you stuck it into a nice 19" rack mountable enclosure, I know somebody who would purchase 1. biggrin.gif
post #7515 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

And here all this time we thought all ceton resources were dedicated to getting the echo going better.

Any updates on the ECHO?

We have different employees with different skill-sets. For example, our hardware engineers have virtually nothing to do with software development, so they work on other projects while software devs work on Echo.

Work on Android on Echo is still progressing.
post #7516 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

And here all this time we thought all ceton resources were dedicated to getting the echo going better.

Any updates on the ECHO?
I saw a post like this coming from a mile away. Surely they have different teams of people working on different projects and you often can't just pull people off one team and throw them onto a different project and expect to get results. But it would make sense for people to discuss the new InfiniTV 6's in the appropriate threads...
post #7517 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

And run it on what? How many Echo-like Android boxes are out there? I suppose you could do a GoogleTV app, but from what I understand not all GoogleTV boxes will play mpeg2.

Besides, they're having a hard enough time getting good video playback support on hardware that was built for this (sort of).

The Android based "G-Box Midnight" comes with XBMC installed, and wroks real well.

I think a MCx Android app would do real well. Especially on that little device.
post #7518 of 7721
I was all set thinking I was going to buy the InfiniTV 4 PCIe for my first build but now I am not so sure. Does the network version of the InfiniTV 6 only work with Windows Media Center? I am assuming my PC would still have to be on for extenders to work?
post #7519 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

The Android based "G-Box Midnight" comes with XBMC installed, and wroks real well.

Not according to the reviews. BAsically seems you need to clear out the android part of it and boot directly into XBMC to get it to work using some other user made software.
post #7520 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

And here all this time we thought all ceton resources were dedicated to getting the echo going better.

Any updates on the ECHO?

We have different employees with different skill-sets. For example, our hardware engineers have virtually nothing to do with software development, so they work on other projects while software devs work on Echo.

Work on Android on Echo is still progressing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

And here all this time we thought all ceton resources were dedicated to getting the echo going better.

Any updates on the ECHO?
I saw a post like this coming from a mile away. Surely they have different teams of people working on different projects and you often can't just pull people off one team and throw them onto a different project and expect to get results. But it would make sense for people to discuss the new InfiniTV 6's in the appropriate threads...

I was merely joking and maybe even punning some others on here and beating them to the punch. I have been called an echo fan boy so many times I cannot count. I do realize that different people are working on different projects and doing development for the 6-tuner model is probably less intensive except for the beta network pooling model. I took some time for Silicon Dust to get that right and I suppose it will take Ceton some time too to get it right. I suppose we really do need a separate thread for the InfiniTV 6 though.


Now back to the echo.
post #7521 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by erickotz View Post


We've had 6-tuner technology for ever (I actually had a 6-tuner InfiniTV at home even before we shipped our initial 4-tuner units). That said, it takes a lot of puzzle pieces fitting together to bring a prototype to market, hence the delays.

I assume you guys are able to make all 6 tuners working on Windows 8 WMC? I knew you have tuner salad like feature built into the current iTV driver for Windows 7. It seems Windows 8 is a hard nut to crack for Tuner Salad. Not sure if Ceton was able to do it.
post #7522 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

And here all this time we thought all ceton resources were dedicated to getting the echo going better.

Any updates on the ECHO?
We have different employees with different skill-sets. For example, our hardware engineers have virtually nothing to do with software development, so they work on other projects while software devs work on Echo.

Work on Android on Echo is still progressing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

And here all this time we thought all ceton resources were dedicated to getting the echo going better.

Any updates on the ECHO?
I saw a post like this coming from a mile away. Surely they have different teams of people working on different projects and you often can't just pull people off one team and throw them onto a different project and expect to get results. But it would make sense for people to discuss the new InfiniTV 6's in the appropriate threads...

I was merely joking and maybe even punning some others on here and beating them to the punch. I have been called an echo fan boy so many times I cannot count. I do realize that different people are working on different projects and doing development for the 6-tuner model is probably less intensive except for the beta network pooling model. I took some time for Silicon Dust to get that right and I suppose it will take Ceton some time too to get it right. I suppose we really do need a separate thread for the InfiniTV 6 though.


Now back to the echo.

I must have missed the joke.
post #7523 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by blauter78 View Post

I was all set thinking I was going to buy the InfiniTV 4 PCIe for my first build but now I am not so sure. Does the network version of the InfiniTV 6 only work with Windows Media Center? I am assuming my PC would still have to be on for extenders to work?

The InfiniTV 6 ETH has the same compatibility as the PCIe and USB tuners do.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I assume you guys are able to make all 6 tuners working on Windows 8 WMC? I knew you have tuner salad like feature built into the current iTV driver for Windows 7. It seems Windows 8 is a hard nut to crack for Tuner Salad. Not sure if Ceton was able to do it.

Our drivers have supported Windows 8 functionality (including >4 tuners) for several months already on PCIe and USB - the newest public release already has Ethernet functionality in it.
post #7524 of 7721
Now we just need a trade up program to trade in our iTV4 for an iTV6 smile.gif.
post #7525 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjgertge View Post

Now we just need a trade up program to trade in our iTV4 for an iTV6 smile.gif.
Now there's an idea!
post #7526 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjgertge View Post

Now we just need a trade up program to trade in our iTV4 for an iTV6 smile.gif.

I like it. smile.gif

Though I heard, from a good source, that Ceton might stick 2 InfiniTV ETH 6 units in a single chassis and call it a "12 tuner InfiniTV".* Think we should wait for that to come out? wink.gif















*for the "reading a thread in chronological order" impaired, that is a joke - it is not going to happen
post #7527 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by erickotz View Post


We've had 6-tuner technology for ever (I actually had a 6-tuner InfiniTV at home even before we shipped our initial 4-tuner units). That said, it takes a lot of puzzle pieces fitting together to bring a prototype to market, hence the delays.
Silicondust's "6-tuner" was nothing like ours. They literally crammed 3 tuner HDHomerun Prime units in a single case (they operated as 2 separate units, took 2 CableCARDs, 2 TAs, 2 Ethernet cables, etc). The InfiniTV ETH 6 is a single 6-tuner unit with all 6 tuners on a single device, and uses only 1 CableCARD, 1 TA, and 1 Ethernet connection. We could (don't read too far into this) stick 1 InfiniTV ETH 6 units in a single chassis and call it a "12 tuner InfiniTV" and that would basically be how SD did a 6-tuner unit.

Does this 6 tuner device use better tuners? More tuners seems like an opportunity for signal dedgradation... I am all for more tuners but I have days where the 4 I have might as well be 0 tuners.

And i is there a performance improvement? That would make me stand up and notice and maybe lay down more money in Ceton's direction.

In our Comcast market the Cetons 4 I have is still a somewhat marginal tuner. Comcase is supposedly doing upgrades to their infrastructure but based on signal strength and SNR I should never see a flutter. When I was Tivo HD based I had no where near the signal I do today andI rarely if ever saw a dropped or pixelated frame. Today with your latest beta, CNN HD was not watchable. It seemed okay this morning before the upgrade but could be coincidental.
post #7528 of 7721
I know I have been part of the derailing, but there is a dedicated thread for the 6 tuner Ceton products, here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1472563/latest-ceton-infinitv-6-info-thread
post #7529 of 7721
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

Does this 6 tuner device use better tuners? More tuners seems like an opportunity for signal dedgradation... I am all for more tuners but I have days where the 4 I have might as well be 0 tuners.

And i is there a performance improvement? That would make me stand up and notice and maybe lay down more money in Ceton's direction.

In our Comcast market the Cetons 4 I have is still a somewhat marginal tuner. Comcase is supposedly doing upgrades to their infrastructure but based on signal strength and SNR I should never see a flutter. When I was Tivo HD based I had no where near the signal I do today andI rarely if ever saw a dropped or pixelated frame. Today with your latest beta, CNN HD was not watchable. It seemed okay this morning before the upgrade but could be coincidental.

Does the problem exist on both the HTPC and the Extender? Which Extenders do you have? Cnn HD on Comcast in Central IL works just fine, never seen an issue with it on the HTPC or the Xbox 360 Extenders but it is a 1080i channel with a steady frame rate. The InfiniTV 4 USB has been pretty stable mostly without issue.
post #7530 of 7721
But back to the Echo: I saw on the info page for the IT6 tuner that Ceton recommends a 7200 RPM hard drive. The hard drive in my HTPC is a Samsung 2TB drive, "eco" model, which is 5400 or 5900 RPM (I forget which). When I bought it, I had remembered reading that the media cevices with built-in drives, such as Tivo, Moxi, SciAtl, all used 5400 hard drives, so I thought this would be sufficient. Now I'm wondering: could the slower hard drive be a factor in some of the stuttering? Or are there people with stuttering who are using 7200 RPM drives?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Home Theater Computers
This thread is locked  
AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › Official Ceton Echo Extender Info Thread