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Development stopped years ago, and the development team is gone. The developer of MCL says no one is left at Microsoft that even understands the source code. No new versions or improvements will ever be released again.

could you provide even 1 single link to an official Microsoft statement to substantiate any your claims here?
Not a link to some blogger having the same opinion as you.

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It's pretty clear here that they see no future in broadcast TV on PCs, hence abandonment in my mind, in the paragraph where they justify selling WMC as an add-on.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/03/making-windows-media-center-available-in-windows-8.aspx

so your answer is No, you cannot provide a single shred of proof to substaniate any of the statements made above.
But you are willing go on and state that spreading FUD concerning Media Center will be your continued stance.
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They did. Development stopped years ago, and the development team is gone.

Ah, so you are confusing killing development with killing an existing product, now I see why you made such an obviously false claim. The two are vastly different things. No one is developing AM radio technology any more but AM radio certainly is not dead.
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so your answer is No, you cannot provide a single shred of proof to substaniate any of the statements made above.
But you are willing go on and state that spreading FUD concerning Media Center will be your continued stance.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Other than a leaked internal memo, what are you hoping for?

Do you really think that MS is going to have a press release concerning the disbanding of an internal team?

What there is proof of is that many of the higher-ups from the eHome team have taken positions elsewhere within Microsoft (and elsewhere) but there is no proof that anyone has filled those vacancies.

If you're going to play the "show me proof" card, then show me proof that the eHome team still exists. Show me something from Microsoft (and not some blogger) that mentions and substantiates the existance of the eHome team from the last two years.

That sword cuts both ways.

If you want to be pedantic and split hairs, that's fine, but for all intents and purposes, Microsoft has abandoned WMC. There are no signs of development from Microsoft, and there are no indications that anything will be further developed. Nothing indicates that WMC is on the roadmap for Microsoft moving forward. Yes, they'll likely still be providing guide data, which is great. But as of right now, WMC is a dead end. What we've got is what we've got.
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Ah, so you are confusing killing development with killing an existing product, now I see why you made such an obviously false claim. The two are vastly different things. No one is developing AM radio technology any more but AM radio certainly is not dead.

AM Radio isn't dead, but it is a dead end. Pushing forward with a strategy involving AM radio is rather foolish now considering the fact that it isn't being developed anymore and it is a shrinking market.

AM Radio also isn't a proprietary technology owned by a single company either. So again, if you want to go to the trouble of splitting hairs to the degree you insist, you might go to the trouble of coming up with an analogy that is actually applicable to the situation.
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It is no wonder TV on PC is declining. Microsoft never even promoted it. I remember the first time I ran across WMC in Win7Pro. I shrugged my shoulders and moved on. It wasn't until a year later that I understood what it was when reading about it here on avs HTPC forums. I truly believe that if Microsoft actually advertised WMC and its cost effectiveness it would be in more demand. CableTV and broadcast TV is not going away any time soon. Like mentioned above, we still have AM radio, although not as in demand as in the early days it is still there.
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could you provide even 1 single link to an official Microsoft statement to substantiate any your claims here?
Not a link to some blogger having the same opinion as you.
It's pretty clear here that they see no future in broadcast TV on PCs, hence abandonment in my mind, in the paragraph where they justify selling WMC as an add-on.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/03/making-windows-media-center-available-in-windows-8.aspx

I love WMC. I intend to use it for several more years. But I hate Microsoft's neglect of it.

Edited by Sammy2 - 5/25/13 at 2:55pm
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Digital broadcast over Amplitude Modulation is actually better than over Frequency Modulation because you can send the signal over longer distances. Those frequencies are usefull. I'm not so sure it is a dead end.
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And if we're going to go down the "how it should have happened" road...

Microsoft never should have locked down Vista MC CableCard certification to that stupid Dell Dimension. That would have opened the market up and made more incentive for tuner manufacturers to develop CCTuners earlier, and made it less of a niche market. That would also allow companies like Ceton to get in early(er) and not only get into the end-user market, but go the obvious direction of competing with Motorola/Scientific Atlanta/et al, by making DVRs based on WMC (embedded) and selling those to the CableCo's The Addition of MoCa equipped extenders would have had the CableCo's beating DirectTV and Dish to the whole-home-DVR market by a few years. That may heve even been enough to push Directv to move forward with development of the HDPC-20 PC tuner card, and possibly make Dish move forward with a PC tuner as well.

The CableCos could have developed their own PPV apps for Media Center and we'd most likely have much better NetFlix/Amazon integration as well.
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Digital broadcast over Amplitude Modulation is actually better than over Frequency Modulation because you can send the signal over longer distances. Those frequencies are usefull. I'm not so sure it is a dead end.

AM as a technology is much more susceptible to noise than FM which is a pretty big limitation, and the primary reason FM is the dominating technology.

The frequency spectrum currently occupied by AM Radio as allocated by the FCC is no doubt very useful, but there isn't anything that makes those frequencies locked into AM broadcast other than an arbitrary decision decades ago by some bureaucrats.

But back to the larger point, Broadcast Radio (both AM and FM) are dying. Just like broadcast TV, more and more people are moving to alternate formats. People are streaming their traditional radio stations over the internet now. Sirius/XM took a chunck of the market as well. Pandora and other streaming internet-only stations are gaining ground as well. And a lot of people just don't listen to the radio at all since they have an iPod with 50,000 songs on it.

So, yes, while the technology of AM Radio isn't being actively developed, it is still an active technology, but it is also a dead end. If you think it's a growing market, perhaps you should start a new AM station in your market.

And yes, I'd venture a guess that in another 20 or so years the FCC will have reallocated the AM Radio spectrum to something else.

And yes, I'd venture a guess in much less than 20 years, Microsoft will stop providing guide data.

WMC isn't dead, but the clock has started ticking.
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And if we're going to go down the "how it should have happened" road...

Microsoft never should have locked down Vista MC CableCard certification to that stupid Dell Dimension. That would have opened the market up and made more incentive for tuner manufacturers to develop CCTuners earlier, and made it less of a niche market. That would also allow companies like Ceton to get in early(er) and not only get into the end-user market, but go the obvious direction of competing with Motorola/Scientific Atlanta/et al, by making DVRs based on WMC (embedded) and selling those to the CableCo's The Addition of MoCa equipped extenders would have had the CableCo's beating DirectTV and Dish to the whole-home-DVR market by a few years. That may heve even been enough to push Directv to move forward with development of the HDPC-20 PC tuner card, and possibly make Dish move forward with a PC tuner as well.

The CableCos could have developed their own PPV apps for Media Center and we'd most likely have much better NetFlix/Amazon integration as well.

Charter still doesn't have a whole home DVR. They started to do it bu then shelved it. But for $19.99/month you can have up to four of your $5/mothn STB's be independent two tuner DVR's. Want five DVR's? Better pony up another $19.99/month plus the $5/month for each STB. Doing the math, it is $64.98/month for five DVR's and they aren't even unified..
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Charter still doesn't have a whole home DVR. They started to do it bu then shelved it. But for $19.99/month you can have up to four of your $5/mothn STB's be independent two tuner DVR's. Want five DVR's? Better pony up another $19.99/month plus the $5/month for each STB. Doing the math, it is $64.98/month for five DVR's and they aren't even unified..

That's what really irks me about the whole situation. There has been a huge void in the CableTV market for years, and the attempts to fill it have been almost nonexistent. Ceton to their credit, has done the best job, but I think they went about it from the wrong angle. I would have started by making the Q or a similar device, and selling that (initially) to CableCos along with an Echo-like* extender. That would have been good for two reasons, 1) it gets more money in Ceton's account to do additional development for retail products and it also makes WMC more visible which should also increase the market for those retail products.


*I will speculate that if done a few years ago, Ceton would have used something besides the current FreeScale CPU, and hopefully gone with a known-good setup to avoid the current issues with the Echo... not to mention they just have to worry about live TV for the above setup, and not local media playback, so I think an extender model would have been viable for the cable companies, even several years ago.
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Ah, so you are confusing killing development with killing an existing product, now I see why you made such an obviously false claim. The two are vastly different things. No one is developing AM radio technology any more but AM radio certainly is not dead.
You are putting words in my mouth. I said I hated Microsoft because they abandoned WMC, which they have. There has been zero development for years. I never said they killed the product. They'll keep selling it and supporting it for years, but it will not be updated, fixed or improved because there is no more development. No press release from Microsoft per se, but many reliable sources have said as much. How can anyone argue with this evidence? Have you seen a single new feature in WMC in the past several years?
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Dave, I appreciate your optimism. I hope it comes true. But I think it's a long shot.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?
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Well, that's about it for the Echo from a WAF stand point. :x

We were watching UFC 160 on Pay-Per-View and received Weak TV Signal. Then restarted the Echo repeatedly to no picture or no audio on the PPV channel.

We missed the title fight!!!

Ceton support closed my ticket on this issue because they could not identify anything wrong in Ceton Diagnostic Utility or Echo Diagnostics. I am amazingly disappointed in Ceton support and the constant fallback on an HTPC issue. In fact, I've removed all applications, cleaned the registry, folder structure, etc. to basically a default WMC installation, which did fix the crashing issue. Yet Ceton remains quite on an absolutely unreliable product that is stuck in a beta state.
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Well, that's about it for the Echo from a WAF stand point. :x

We were watching UFC 160 on Pay-Per-View and received Weak TV Signal. Then restarted the Echo repeatedly to no picture or no audio on the PPV channel.

We missed the title fight!!!

Ceton support closed my ticket on this issue because they could not identify anything wrong in Ceton Diagnostic Utility or Echo Diagnostics. I am amazingly disappointed in Ceton support and the constant fallback on an HTPC issue. In fact, I've removed all applications, cleaned the registry, folder structure, etc. to basically a default WMC installation, which did fix the crashing issue. Yet Ceton remains quite on an absolutely unreliable product that is stuck in a beta state.

I've been one of the biggest critics of the Echo since its release, but I'm not sure if this one can be blamed on the Echo.

"Weak TV Signal" screams "tuner issue."

Sorry you missed the fight though. frown.gif
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Why didn't you watch on the HTPC directly when this occured?

The echo is for use in secondary locations. The primary viewing area in the family room utilizes the HTPC for playback.
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Not necessarily ... I have a 360 on the tv that my htpc is also connected to, for no reason other than standardization of remote and interface (we also have a 360 in our bedroom). This greatly improves the WAF for me, and is worth the $100 I paid for the additional 360.
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I should also add that we use the white, big WMC remotes on all of these (two 360s and an Echo). Hence a lot of my criticism of the Echo, in that it just doesn't perform as well as the 360.
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Originally Posted by ajhieb View Post

AM Radio isn't dead, but it is a dead end. Pushing forward with a strategy involving AM radio is rather foolish now considering the fact that it isn't being developed anymore and it is a shrinking market.

AM Radio also isn't a proprietary technology owned by a single company either. So again, if you want to go to the trouble of splitting hairs to the degree you insist, you might go to the trouble of coming up with an analogy that is actually applicable to the situation.

Yet AM radio is not going away...it is not abandoned. You again are confusing "pushing forward with a strategy" and "abandoned". They are vastly different things. An example does not have to be exact in order to convey a concept, which was the goal, one you purposefully are choosing to ignore...you appear not only willing, but eager to go on and state that spreading FUD concerning Media Center will be your continued stance.

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And yes, I'd venture a guess in much less than 20 years, Microsoft will stop providing guide data.

WMC isn't dead, but the clock has started ticking.

So which is it, are they supporting the product or is it abandoned? You cannot hold both positions, they are diametrically opposed.
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Yet AM radio is not going away...it is not abandoned. You again are confusing "pushing forward with a strategy" and "abandoned". They are vastly different things. An example does not have to be exact in order to convey a concept, which was the goal, one you purposefully are choosing to ignore...you appear not only willing, but eager to go on and state that spreading FUD concerning Media Center will be your continued stance.

AM Radio is ABSOLUTELY going away. Just because the FCC hasn't reallocated the spectrum yet doesn't mean that it isn't going away. I'll send you all of the details in a Western Union telegram if you're interested.

Are there more or fewer AM radio stations than there were 10 years ago? 5 years? What about AM Radio listeners? More or less? (spoiler alert! They're all less) What exactly do you think "going away" means? Personally I think "declining into obscurity" fits the bill pretty good. Guess what else falls under that umbrella? WMC. Yes there are still people using it today, and there will be tomorrow as well, but the numbers are DECREASING.

Pointing out trends isn't spreading FUD. It's called having a rational view of the world based on observations.

Again, if you want to keep splitting hairs over the difference of dead, and dying, that's fine. I'm quite comfortable with my stance as every observable fact backs up my assertions. But like I said earlier, if you want to be pedantic about things, we can do that... The English language is an interesting thing in that most words have several meanings, and even if one meaning doesn't fit, often others do. In this particular case, you've decided that the word "abandoned" has one and one meaning only and since the current state of WMC doesn't meet YOUR definition of the word, anyone asserting otherwise is categorically incorrect, because you refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that a slightly different definition may fit quite well.

Also worth noting that Microsoft's "lack of enthusiasm" towards WMC (also known as abandoning it) has had secondary effects throughout the WMC community. By effectively making WMC a lame-duck piece of software they've sent a message to 3rd party hardware and software developers that the end is nigh. Other than the Echo what's new for WMC in the last year? Not much. Why would anybody want to develop products for a dead end platform? Microsoft didn't just hit the "pause" button on WMC. They hit the "stop" button. Finished or not, this is pretty much all you're going to see, from them or anybody else. The Echo was the last gasp of Media Center. THere isn't going to be anything afterwards.

The availability of WMC has little bearing on this discussion. I can go out and buy a copy of "The Grapes of Wrath" right now, but I'm pretty sure Steinbeck ain't writing any more novels.
The availability of guide data has little bearing on the discussion either. But I guess you never bothered to read that TOS before you clicked on "I agree" did you?
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That's the 7MC EPG TOS, but I'm sure I could dig up the 8MC version and it will be quite similar. (I wouldn't suggest following the link provided in the above TOS though... it's DEAD)

The fine folks at One Microsoft Way can drop the guide, charge you for the guide, or make the guide say "Desperate Housewives" on every channel if they want so long as they give you a mere 30 days notice. So assuming that the availability of WMC in Windows 8 in any way breathes some new life into WMC because the guide data will be available is nothing but pure whimsy.

The WMC community may stay strong for years to come (I hope it does as I'm quite fond of WMC) but that doesn't change the writing on the wall. Just because you've chosen to stick your head in the sand and desperately cling to some irrational belief. I'm also quite content with the state of WMC. I wish that things had gone differently, as I've stated in the past, but I don't have any major problems with the way things are headed. I don't need any additional features from WMC. The current feature set suits me just fine. If they discontinue providing guide data, I'm sure some clever soul will figure out a way to stuff guide data in using a 3rd part app. I don't need support from Microsoft either. I've been using MCE since the XP days and I haven't needed support yet, so it seems unlikely that I will in the future.

But in the mean time, by all means, please continue to spread the sunshine rainbows and happiness, while the rest of us spread FUD reality.

Of and I almost forgot...
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So which is it, are they supporting the product or is it abandoned? You cannot hold both positions, they are diametrically opposed.

Nice false dichotomy. Bravo!
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Why didn't you watch on the HTPC directly when this occured?

The echo is for use in secondary locations. The primary viewing area in the family room utilizes the HTPC for playback.

Unfortunately, the HTPC is headless setup and the Echo's are extenders. I would have tried to connect the Xbox 360 again (Ceton support had me remove everything), but the fight would be long over.

Can't Weak TV Signal be erroneously displayed on extenders when the tuner signal is not the issue? I thought I remember that from the SiliconDust forums.
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Can't Weak TV Signal be erroneously displayed on extenders when the tuner signal is not the issue?

Is this what you are talking about? KB2708283
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Yet AM radio is not going away...it is not abandoned. You again are confusing "pushing forward with a strategy" and "abandoned". They are vastly different things. An example does not have to be exact in order to convey a concept, which was the goal, one you purposefully are choosing to ignore...you appear not only willing, but eager to go on and state that spreading FUD concerning Media Center will be your continued stance.

AM Radio is ABSOLUTELY going away. Just because the FCC hasn't reallocated the spectrum yet doesn't mean that it isn't going away. I'll send you all of the details in a Western Union telegram if you're interested.

Are there more or fewer AM radio stations than there were 10 years ago? 5 years? What about AM Radio listeners? More or less? (spoiler alert! They're all less) What exactly do you think "going away" means? Personally I think "declining into obscurity" fits the bill pretty good. Guess what else falls under that umbrella? WMC. Yes there are still people using it today, and there will be tomorrow as well, but the numbers are DECREASING.

Pointing out trends isn't spreading FUD. It's called having a rational view of the world based on observations.

Again, if you want to keep splitting hairs over the difference of dead, and dying, that's fine. I'm quite comfortable with my stance as every observable fact backs up my assertions. But like I said earlier, if you want to be pedantic about things, we can do that... The English language is an interesting thing in that most words have several meanings, and even if one meaning doesn't fit, often others do. In this particular case, you've decided that the word "abandoned" has one and one meaning only and since the current state of WMC doesn't meet YOUR definition of the word, anyone asserting otherwise is categorically incorrect, because you refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that a slightly different definition may fit quite well.

Also worth noting that Microsoft's "lack of enthusiasm" towards WMC (also known as abandoning it) has had secondary effects throughout the WMC community. By effectively making WMC a lame-duck piece of software they've sent a message to 3rd party hardware and software developers that the end is nigh. Other than the Echo what's new for WMC in the last year? Not much. Why would anybody want to develop products for a dead end platform? Microsoft didn't just hit the "pause" button on WMC. They hit the "stop" button. Finished or not, this is pretty much all you're going to see, from them or anybody else. The Echo was the last gasp of Media Center. THere isn't going to be anything afterwards.

The availability of WMC has little bearing on this discussion. I can go out and buy a copy of "The Grapes of Wrath" right now, but I'm pretty sure Steinbeck ain't writing any more novels.
The availability of guide data has little bearing on the discussion either. But I guess you never bothered to read that TOS before you clicked on "I agree" did you?

That's the 7MC EPG TOS, but I'm sure I could dig up the 8MC version and it will be quite similar. (I wouldn't suggest following the link provided in the above TOS though... it's DEAD)

The fine folks at One Microsoft Way can drop the guide, charge you for the guide, or make the guide say "Desperate Housewives" on every channel if they want so long as they give you a mere 30 days notice. So assuming that the availability of WMC in Windows 8 in any way breathes some new life into WMC because the guide data will be available is nothing but pure whimsy.

The WMC community may stay strong for years to come (I hope it does as I'm quite fond of WMC) but that doesn't change the writing on the wall. Just because you've chosen to stick your head in the sand and desperately cling to some irrational belief. I'm also quite content with the state of WMC. I wish that things had gone differently, as I've stated in the past, but I don't have any major problems with the way things are headed. I don't need any additional features from WMC. The current feature set suits me just fine. If they discontinue providing guide data, I'm sure some clever soul will figure out a way to stuff guide data in using a 3rd part app. I don't need support from Microsoft either. I've been using MCE since the XP days and I haven't needed support yet, so it seems unlikely that I will in the future.

But in the mean time, by all means, please continue to spread the sunshine rainbows and happiness, while the rest of us spread FUD reality.

Of and I almost forgot...
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So which is it, are they supporting the product or is it abandoned? You cannot hold both positions, they are diametrically opposed.

Nice false dichotomy. Bravo!

When is AM radio going away? I haven't heard the press on that one.

And as far as false dichotomy, where are the other options? In order to have a fallacy of false dichotomy there needs to be other options beyond the two stated.
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When is AM radio going away? I haven't heard the press on that one.

And as far as false dichotomy, where are the other options? In order to have a fallacy of false dichotomy there needs to be other options beyond the two stated.

What date is Gary Busey going to die? Just because we don't know the exact date doesn't mean we can't accept the inevitability. Gary Busey is going to die, and AM radio is going away. As I said before, just because the FCC hasn't announced that the spectrum is going to be reallocated yet doesn't mean we have to ignore the other obvious signs. Printed newspapers are on their way out too. You don't have to be Kreskin to see this stuff coming. If you feel differently, let me ask you... what miracle do you think is going to save Gary Busey? What miracle do you think is going to save AM Radio? What miracle is going to save print Newspapers? All three are largely irrelevant in their respective markets already. What's going to save them?

As far as the false dichotomy goes, just because cybersage has decreed the two options as mutually exclusive, doesn't make it so.

He's caught up in the semantics. He insists that since Microsoft technically will be "supporting" WMC through the product life of Windows 8, that it isn't a dead product, when the reality of the situation is, the dev team is gone, the product hasn't seen any updates, their roadmaps don't include anything with WMC and the rest of the world has seen the writing on the wall and as such, 3rd part development has slowed dramatically as well.

What this boils down to is a few peopl have made comments that WMC is "dead" (which is technically innaccurate) instead of "one foot in the grave" which is absolutely accurate, and a handful of argumentative Microsoft fanbois have taken it upon themselves to to put on their cape and defend the good name of Microsoft (which became pretty obvious by the offense taken to someone's M$ joke)

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Back to something a little more relevant...

I decided to see how the MediaBrowser3 beta was looking so I installed it on my laptop and and pulled one of my Echo's out of mothballs to see how it would do on an extender...

Plugged the Echo in and it immediately went to the "recovering" screen. Nice to know that sitting in a drawer will hose one of these things. After several minutes it came back with an old December 2012 Firmware, and wanted to upgrade. I updated the firmware again to the March firmware and got it connected to proper WMC.

The good news is it kinda worked, as I was able to get a few videos to play, but the bad news is it didn't work very well. It was nowhere close to being a useful configuration. I'm willing to say that it is mostly on MB3 right now as it's officially in beta (as opposed to the de facto beta of the Echo) but at this point I'm not willing to take one of my xboxen off of regular extender duty to see where the problems lie.

But like I said the good news is that it appears that MB3 will work on an extender, so that's promising.
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What this boils down to is a few peopl have made comments that WMC is "dead" (which is technically innaccurate) instead of "one foot in the grave" which is absolutely accurate, and a handful of argumentative Microsoft fanbois have taken it upon themselves to to put on their cape and defend the good name of Microsoft (which became pretty obvious by the offense taken to someone's M$ joke)

Actually, I am simply exposing a lie. You might think a lie is fine to be told and not challenged, but I do not. No fanboi needed in this case, but I realize it makes you feel better to call others such even thought it, also, is not true. You certainly are striking out a lot recently.
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Actually, I am simply exposing a lie. You might think a lie is fine to be told and not challenged, but I do not. No fanboi needed in this case, but I realize it makes you feel better to call others such even thought it, also, is not true. You certainly are striking out a lot recently.
If Microsoft has not abandoned WMC, what was the last version, and when was it released? Now consider any other active software product and tell me the last time a new version was release. Compare and contrast the two cases. As for proof, I suppose a tech journalist saying, "My sources in Redmond tell me, however, that the Media Center team was essentially disbanded after Windows 7 shipped." is not sufficient for you. But that statement, among many others as well as the obvious lack of any updates for years is proof enough for me. I don't care if you want to continue deluding yourself. I'm simply going to use WMC as long as I can and hope another developer steps up and fills this niche. Microsoft sees it as a dead end and has said so (source linked earlier).
Edited by mdavej - 5/26/13 at 4:56pm
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Actually, I am simply exposing a lie. You might think a lie is fine to be told and not challenged, but I do not. No fanboi needed in this case, but I realize it makes you feel better to call others such even thought it, also, is not true. You certainly are striking out a lot recently.

You're doing no such thing. You're being pedantic. You're splitting hairs. You're arguing over semantics. You're arguing over technicalities. You're calling someone a liar because they said they've sold a million units when in fact they only sold 999, 487 units, and you relish the opportunity to tell the person that said a million that they are wrong. In other words, you're being petty.

Saying that Microsoft is killing WMC isn't a lie. It's a simple conclusion drawn based on observations of the world around us. If you want to ignore those observations and act like everything is fine in WMC-land, that's your prerogative. Nobody has ever stated that you don't have a right to your own opinion. You're the one trying to silence people as if you are the end-all-be-all authority on Microsoft, Media center, and the English language. I've simply pointed out that you aren't. Don't like it? Sorry. You aren't the boss of me or anyone else on these boards, and people are going to continue to express their opinions often with colorful, dramatic, and sometimes even exaggerated language. If you can't learn to take that for what it is that's a problem with you, not the rest of the posters on here.
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If Microsoft has not abandoned WMC, what was the last version, and when was it released?

You can buy the Windows 8 version right now. You must have Windows 8 Pro in order to install it. They released it shortly after releasing Windows 8 Pro. It is not the exact same thing as the version for Windows 7, as it has specific hooks in it for Windows 8. They also support it right now. If it was abandoned, it would not be supported. The two actions are diametrically opposed. You cannot both abandon and product AND support that product simultaneously.

EDIT: To be more precise, the version you can buy as an add on to Windows 8 is 6.2.9200.16384 The most up to date version running on Windows 7 is 6.1.7601.17514. Will you finally admit you are wrong, that they did not abandon it, and stop regurgitating the lie?




(Don't you hate it when someone is running both versions and can easily look it up?)
Edited by cybrsage - 5/26/13 at 5:52pm
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Saying that Microsoft is killing WMC isn't a lie.

That is not what is being exposed as a lie. Try again, you failed here. I will give you a hit, the incorrect word you decided to use is "killing" and the word which is a lie is starts with "aban". You can find it fast if you read my quote from mdavej.
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Well, that's about it for the Echo from a WAF stand point. :x

We were watching UFC 160 on Pay-Per-View and received Weak TV Signal. Then restarted the Echo repeatedly to no picture or no audio on the PPV channel.

We missed the title fight!!!

Ceton support closed my ticket on this issue because they could not identify anything wrong in Ceton Diagnostic Utility or Echo Diagnostics. I am amazingly disappointed in Ceton support and the constant fallback on an HTPC issue. In fact, I've removed all applications, cleaned the registry, folder structure, etc. to basically a default WMC installation, which did fix the crashing issue. Yet Ceton remains quite on an absolutely unreliable product that is stuck in a beta state.

You added the new Infinitv 6 as an early adopter to your setup of HTPC with unreliable Echos and now you are having even more problems along with even worse WAF. I am sorry you are having issues, but are you surprised at the results?
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