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Is anyone having an issue with pixelization or bad compression on The Spy Who Loved Me disc? It occurs from 10:32-10:40 and is especially noticable at 10:34 during the credits in chapter 4. I don't know if I have a bad disc or if all the discs are like this.
Every version I've ever seen on home video has had the same anomaly in the credit sequence.


Errors in chroma key photography.
post #512 of 686
Nobody else bothered by the fact that every disc in these sets has teeny scratches?
post #513 of 686
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Nobody else bothered by the fact that every disc in these sets has teeny scratches?

I looked closely at some of mine using a flashlight and didn't notice anything. Even if there were scratches on mine it would have zero effect on playing back the disc. I've rented BDs from RedBox, Blockbuster, and Netflix with tons of scratches on them and playback was not affected.
post #514 of 686
I found a BDInfo for what was presumably the UK and/or Western European uncut Bond 50 version of Casino Royale. Presumably the A/V bitrate for the US PG-13 cut Bond 50 version would be nearly identical. Once I can pin down its provenance I'll post it in the "Unofficial Blu-ray Audio and Video Specifications Thread"...

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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     CASINO_ROYALE
Disc Size:      48.052.343.149 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00600.MPLS
Length:                 2:24:33.122 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   37.583.517.696 bytes
Total Bitrate:          34,67 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        23920 kbps          1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
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DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3887 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3887 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
DTS Audio                       French          768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       Spanish         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       Italian         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       Japanese        768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio             Portuguese      448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           French          15,661 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         18,282 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Danish          17,647 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           18,566 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         16,217 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         20,279 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        13,097 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        0,967 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       14,997 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      16,778 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         15,381 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         14,152 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          62,773 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         66,380 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           52,378 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         71,214 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        40,647 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      64,026 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         18,295 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         19,946 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         71,255 kbps    

Edited by svenge - 10/10/12 at 11:45pm
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post #516 of 686
The roll out of these exclusive Bond titles is pathetic! No one seems to have a clue (the Blue Shirts, Red Shirts, or WallyWorld drones), and they're either out of stock online or just not available at most stores... period.

Very little luck in Northern Colorado, that's for sure!
post #517 of 686
That's why I gave up and just bought the box set.
post #518 of 686
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That's why I gave up and just bought the box set.

Just like they wanted you to I'm sure.

I guess I was lucky or better prepared, but something told me that these would be popular, so I pre-ordered the three from Wal-Mart, and I went to Target first thing in the morning to grab theirs. When Best Buy announces theirs, I will reserve them for in store pickup and be done with the whole thing hopefully.
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I saw a liitle bit of it the other day, it's not totally disastrous but consider we all paid at least $125 or more for the box set, we all have the right to complain to MGM and Fox that it's not acceptable for them to shove an inferior disc. There are worse PQ blu rays out there but most of us don't have them so we don't care. However we as consumers have the right for the best product quality that we pay for. That's what annoys me from MGM, Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson, they thought they could pull the wool out of our eyes. My score on the picture quality of Goldeneye is 2 out of 5. Again there are worse out there and I said a couple of weeks ago that we should forget about it because MGM doesn't have the money to absorb the loss if there is a recall but this time I feel I overpaid for the product even though I got it for $125 at Amazon.co.uk.
post #520 of 686
I have to disagree with you. Not about your disappointment re: Goldeneye's visuals, but about overpaying.

I spent $162 (incl. sales tax) to get the US set locally, which comes out to ~ $7.37 per film. And if you consider historical pricing back to the Laserdisc/VHS era while adjusting for inflation, it's an insanely good deal.

My only complaints are relatively minor:

  • Book-type packaging: I remedied this by getting 4x 22mm 6-disc BD cases @ $2/ea and creating custom covers.
  • Casino Royale being the cut PG-13 version: Remedied this by getting the uncut (and region-free) French Deluxe Edition @ $21.
  • Missing bonus features from CR and Die Another Day: Remedied this by getting a used copy of the SE DVD of Die Another Day (for its ~70 minute "Inside DAD" documentary) @ $4 and the aforementioned French BD of CR (for its PiP director/producer commentary, "Bond Girls are Forever", and ~5 other featurettes).

So my total outlay for the 22 Bond films (and the packaging/extras that I deemed necessary) came to $195 (or $8.87 per film), give or take. Even at this price point, I think it was a good purchase. Millions of people have paid much more for far less Bond content in the past.

I had considered getting the UK box when it was on sale for ~$125, but not getting the original mono/stereo audio tracks for several pre-Brosnan films wasn't acceptable to me. You can work around missing bonus features by purchasing other discs as a supplement, but not a film's audio content itself...
Edited by svenge - 10/11/12 at 1:01pm
post #521 of 686
I bought the UK set and rounded up the mono Region A titles that I needed. (I've already got the deluxe DVD of CR and the SE DVD of DAD.) Total outlay: £75 for the boxset, £40 for the outstanding titles, total £115 or roughly $185. I couldn't have have imported the US set for less than $225 and I would've had the cut version of Casino Royale to contend with, so I'm still ahead.

Semi-non-interesting factoids: the mono tracks have a +4db dialnorm offset. They're 224kbps dual-mono on the old discs, 192kbps single-mono on the new ones.
post #522 of 686
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Semi-non-interesting factoids: the mono tracks have a +4db dialnorm offset. They're 224kbps dual-mono on the old discs, 192kbps single-mono on the new ones.

I knew about the old 2.0 mono vs. the new 1.0 mono, but not about the dial-norm. Is that based on empirical testing, as the BDInfo for DAF doesn't show any automatic offsets in its 1.0 track; the same goes for all the US pre-boxset discs and their 2.0 mono tracks...
Edited by svenge - 10/11/12 at 1:40pm
post #523 of 686
The dialnorm is showing up when I check the audio info on my Yammy 667 receiver.
post #524 of 686
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

The roll out of these exclusive Bond titles is pathetic! No one seems to have a clue (the Blue Shirts, Red Shirts, or WallyWorld drones), and they're either out of stock online or just not available at most stores... period.
Very little luck in Northern Colorado, that's for sure!

I have seen quite a few of the exclusives in my area and in one store that re-stocked after running out.
post #525 of 686
Whaddaya know, GoldenEye doesn't have a Lowry credit at the end of the film according to Josh's HDD review. Called it! biggrin.gif
post #526 of 686
Unless I missed it The Spy Who Loved Me is not a Lowry restoration either. There are no Lowry restoration credits at the end of the film. There is actual film grain in the print and the level of fine detail is head and shoulders above any of the non 4K Lowry efforts. It also looks vastly superior than any of the remasters being non 4K.

Also these masters were not done in 2006. They started remastering them in 2004 and finished them in 2005 to coincide with the release of Bond 21, but were delayed after Martin Campbell agreed to direct CR and was finishing the Zorro sequel which delayed the film a year. http://www.bondmovies.com/news/3.shtml http://www.velocityreviews.com/forum...ames-bond.html


In a nutshell folks we are getting 7-8 year old dvd masters slapped onto bluray. To include the old menus from the UE dvd's. Quantum of Solace is the identical disc from 4 years ago to include opening trailers for Australia!? WTF!! They couldn't even redo the munus for this one title too match the set? The extras disc is simply horrid aside from the Skyfall blogs. Any youtube member could have put together a better set of extras with far more substance. Thankfully YOLT, OHMSS, DAF and TSWLM are showing new and improved masters which are superior to the older Lowry masters, but obviously still using the older Lowry transfers to make the newer masters, except for TSWLM .

To clear up confusion Lowry did a 4K frame to frame restoration of Dr. No through LALD + Moonraker in 2004-05. Lowry digitally tweaked existing HD masters supplied from MGM for TMWTGG through DAD. MGM has since found a better print for TSWLM altogether and tweaked Lowry's masters for Thunderball through Live and Let Die in which the color timing, black levels, contrast have clearly been changed.

No one is arguing the effort put forth for the UE dvd's. Using 4K scans for dvd was state of the art. They tweaked numerous films concerning the audio and surround effects and unearthed some fantastic extras. So I would give them an A+ for effort. Unfortunately many of the films were desaturated and lost contrast due to decreased black levels compared to the SE dvd's. To boot these films were greatly degrained by Lowry. They have a propriety process and supposedly removes film grain and not detail. I am not buying it. Some of these films were totally scrubbed with fake film grain added back in. Film historian/preservationist Robert A. Harris found that out and confirmed that all the Connery films have added fake film grain to them. Meaning that fine details in many of these films is simply lost.

Concerning the newer Bond's looking so poorly it is because they are using the HD dvd masters that Lowry tweaked 7-8 years ago, when these masters were originally done before given to Lowry is dating the initial transfer even more. 4K mastering is vastly cheaper now than in 2004. In actuality all of the Bond's need better masters, especially for films of this significance. Maybe with the super-duper beyond ultimate edition 4K blurays on an actual 4K format will deliver sometime in the future.

As is at the end of the day the Bond 50 edition is a pretty half a$$ed effort and it clearly show's. I glady would have paid 3-4 times the price for recent 4K quality transfers of all the films.
post #527 of 686
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Lowry did very few of them, the Connery ones and a few Moore ones
post #528 of 686
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Lowry did very few of them, the Connery ones and a few Moore ones

Are you sure about that? I don't think so. I know Tomorrow Never Dies has the Lowry restoration credit at the end.
post #529 of 686
Lowry did full 4K restorations of Dr. No through Live and Let Die plus Moonraker. They tweaked existing HD masters for TMWTGG through DAD. Of the blurays in the new set not using Lowry masters are TSWLM and Goldeneye. Lowry versions of Goldeneye and AVTAK are both cropped. MGM used an older dvd master for Goldeneye to get rid of the cropping issue. All of the Lowry remasters have been heavily DNR'd to include some having fake film grain put back into the scrubbed clean image. New 4K masters of all these films from the OCN would do wonders.
post #530 of 686
To me Goldeneye and Thunderball look very similar, just that Goldeneye is lacking the veneer of fake Lowry grain.



With the Exception of Aliens, Titanic, and The Terminator- most of the Lowry work we see is from before 2005.
post #531 of 686
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Are you sure about that? I don't think so. I know Tomorrow Never Dies has the Lowry restoration credit at the end.

Lowry does A LOT of DVD/Blu-Ray/HD master/Digital intermediate work but their actual film restorations are few and far between. It's just a generic credit.
post #532 of 686
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Lowry does A LOT of DVD/Blu-Ray/HD master/Digital intermediate work but their actual film restorations are few and far between. It's just a generic credit.

What he said ^
post #533 of 686
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Lowry did full 4K restorations of Dr. No through Live and Let Die plus Moonraker. They tweaked existing HD masters for TMWTGG through DAD. Of the blurays in the new set not using Lowry masters are TSWLM and Goldeneye. Lowry versions of Goldeneye and AVTAK are both cropped. MGM used an older dvd master for Goldeneye to get rid of the cropping issue. All of the Lowry remasters have been heavily DNR'd to include some having fake film grain put back into the scrubbed clean image. New 4K masters of all these films from the OCN would do wonders.

I re-watched Goldeneye last night. The folks at MGM/Fox/Broccoli and Wilson need to re-call this disc. The picture quality really is a disgrace vs. the other discs in the Blu Ray box. It looks too dark and plastic. There was way too much DNR applied and the color looks way off. In the end, it was a half a** effort from them. Like I said before, $125 is what the set is actually worth. I feel sorry for those suckers who paid more than $150 for this set. What I don't get from these folks is the lack of love for Goldeneye. It made way more money at the box office than the one that preceded it License to Kill (1989) and yet License to Kill blu ray is almost demo worthy, the picture quality is outstanding. Goldeneye was a turning point in the Bond franchise, Pierce Brosnan brought Bond back into vogue. There's no way I will watch Goldeneye again, to me the cable broadcasts actually looked better than this.
post #534 of 686
Thread Starter 
Licence is higher rated amongst Bond fans
post #535 of 686
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I re-watched Goldeneye last night. The folks at MGM/Fox/Broccoli and Wilson need to re-call this disc. The picture quality really is a disgrace vs. the other discs in the Blu Ray box. It looks too dark and plastic. There was way too much DNR applied and the color looks way off. In the end, it was a half a** effort from them. Like I said before, $125 is what the set is actually worth. I feel sorry for those suckers who paid more than $150 for this set. What I don't get from these folks is the lack of love for Goldeneye. It made way more money at the box office than the one that preceded it License to Kill (1989) and yet License to Kill blu ray is almost demo worthy, the picture quality is outstanding. Goldeneye was a turning point in the Bond franchise, Pierce Brosnan brought Bond back into vogue. There's no way I will watch Goldeneye again, to me the cable broadcasts actually looked better than this.

I was one of the 1st here to say how bad Goldeneye was even after just flicking thru it.
I watched it all the way thru the other night and it is my favorite bond film.
The video is the worst of all the bond 50 discs I have looked at and watched most so far.
It is a discrace to MGM to put out such a bad looking disc
The audio isnt much better and lacking dynamic range in many scenes like
in the begining when bond is coming down the dam face and fires into the concrete
also in the car chase down the mountain and the red ferrari spins out---the gravel spray is almost not existent
I have heard goldeneye sound better
A very very big let down for sure and I am using professional amps and speakers the same as in some picture theaters
post #536 of 686
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Licence is higher rated amongst Bond fans
Yeah but the box office returns in the US at its theatrical run was disastrous, though in fairness in ran up against Tim Burton's Batman. Goldeneye and Pierce Brosnan gave Bond the turning point. Remember there was that real chance that Bond was finished before Brosnan so Goldeneye IS a major Bond film. It turned the franchise around.
post #537 of 686
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By that rational phantom menace should be one of the best looking Blu-Ray discs ever, and goldeneye was a Dalton bond film so would have done nothing if not for the crap recasting, look at all the following bond films written for him.
post #538 of 686
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Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post

Lowry does A LOT of DVD/Blu-Ray/HD master/Digital intermediate work but their actual film restorations are few and far between. It's just a generic credit.

I'm not sure I understand you. I don't think the Lowry company (or whatever they are called now) has ever done a "film restoration" i.e. restoring actual film elements in the photochemical realm. They either scan film and twiddle knobs or they are given a digital master and twiddle knobs.
post #539 of 686
Just finished watching The Spy Who Loved Me and I am so disappointed at the poor quality of the transfer. It sadly looks no better than the dvd.
post #540 of 686
Thread Starter 
Watched ohmss and yolt tonight, just ewwww Lowry
Edited by dvdmike007 - 10/14/12 at 1:24pm
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