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post #121 of 158
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Originally Posted by geertvdb View Post

I bought the Q10 a few weeks ago, and I'm so happy I did. In normal daylight, the images are amazing. I can only play it on my HD tv, but it's already really sharp. I can't wait to have a 4k tv, but I think that's not for the near future.

Congratulations! it's an amazing camera. I'm surprised the pro camera review sites aren't giving it a lot of attention, but I guess they are mainly interested in shallow depth of field cameras these days.
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Originally Posted by Troy LaMont View Post

What resolution monitor are you using to view the footage on now?

So far, I'm watching it on my 42" Panasonic Plasma TV at 1920x1080. Every now and then, I press the camera's digital zoom to get a one to one pixel display and imagine that I have an 84" TV with the outer part not visible. Sigh ... someday ...
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Originally Posted by Troy LaMont View Post

I just realized you're in San Diego, I was there over the weekend. I took my daughters to the San Diego Zoo on Sat (my first time going also since I've been in California). We had a great time, I got tons of footage with my current workhorse the Sony FX1000.

We just missed each other, I was at the zoo the next day. I got some great 4K views around the zoo including the aviaries. I've used the FX1000's predecessor, the FX1 for many years. I loved that camera. It recorded great video.
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Originally Posted by Troy LaMont View Post

When I get my HMQ10 maybe we can get together for a shoot, compare notes etc.

That sounds interesting. There's a lot of views I'd love to record in LA.
post #122 of 158
Found this doing a little Googling, no pricing.

4K MONITOR, 4 DVI inputs

Interesting..
post #123 of 158
The 4K sets are starting to make their appearances.

It's interesting that they chose the 4 HDMI/DVI option like JVC did. I heard at SIGGRAPH last week that the HDMI engineers are working on a single 4K version (version 1.5). I didn't hear when it would be in consumer products. If the 4 HDMI ports approach catches on in the mean time then later there should be a market for affordable converter boxes.
post #124 of 158
I finally got a change to merge my night time Sea World recording. I used my Q10 to get wide screen shots of their shows. With a large TV, watching the video will be a lot like being there again ... and I didn't have to predict where the whales would pop up next during recording.

I didn't expect much during the night time Shamu show, but the Q10 surprised me. The playback looks very similar to what I saw despite it being so dark. There is some noise, but most of it goes away when watching in HD mode.


SeaWorld.jpg 5006k .jpg file
post #125 of 158
Did anybody played GY-HMQ10U footage on the new MacBook Pro with the retina screen (2880 x 1800 pixels )?
post #126 of 158
Hello, I am new here.
I purchased my Q10 few month ago, it is a great camera!
Now I cannot go on vacation without it!

I am curious though, what file format do you output the video to?

Right now I output my videos to Quicktime format with Mpeg4 codec,
it seems this is one of few codecs that will let me output my video
at 4K res.

Thanks in advance.
post #127 of 158
Since I'll be limited to an HD display for a couple of years at least, I'm just saving the raw card data to data Bluray discs. I'm also working on temporary HD renderings. I've found that Power Director 10 not only supports reading the Apple ProRes 4K intermediate files, but renders HD better that Final Cut. It also can make 5.1 audio. I used a Zoom H2N surround audio recorder and am learning how to feed that audio into Power Director.

The MPEG folks are working on an upgrade to the H.264 compressor that will support 4K. H.265 will be twice as efficient and will allow for native 4K Blurays. Once those standards are complete, and the new authoring software is debugged, I'll go back and remaster my recordings.

In the mean time, I've had a large poster made of a frame from my Waikiki recording to remind me of what I have to look forward to.
post #128 of 158
By the way, welcome to the forum!
post #129 of 158
Thank you for the reply!

Right now I stitch the videos together in After Effects, then render those into uncompressed AVI format.
After that, I then convert the video in Premiere Pro for 2.5K version, and in Power director for Full HD version.
My pc monitor is capable of displaying 2560 x 1440. While it is not 4K , it is still much nicer than Full HD.

So far, the only 2 codecs that I found will let me render into files that is bigger than Full HD are uncompressed AVI and QuickTime.

The good news is there are already several 4K TVs from several major TV makers (Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, Sharp and LG) said to be on sale at the end of this year or early 2013,
the challenge remains that if I will be able to hook my PC up to future TVs, and playback my own 4K videos on that.

All 4K TV prices are sky high right now, but I think they will be much more affordable by the end of 2013.

p.s. For anyone who is interested . Toshiba has a 4K TV called "REGZA 55xs5", for the price of about 500,000 yen, which is under 6500 Dollars.

http://kakaku.com/item/K0000373144/?lid=ksearch_kakakuitem_title

The only bad thing is, it is for sale only in Japan.
Edited by Xeon680 - 9/8/12 at 12:09pm
post #130 of 158
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The only bad thing is, it is for sale only in Japan.

You could always have it imported and still come out way under the price of the larger 4K models. Food for thought.
post #131 of 158
Very nice suggestion! smile.gif

I have found importer, however, the total price comes out around $8K USD, including tariff, process fee and shipping cost.

For that price, other choices are

1. Samsung /LG OLED TV (only 1080p but it seems it is a very nice TV)
2. JVC e-shift 4K projector
3.Other 4K TV to be released in USA , although I dont know any that is under $8K.

Hmm, choices, choices.
Guess wait until Xmas and see how things are for now is the best option.....
post #132 of 158
Well, this won't help, but I went to the Sony Store today in Culver City CA with the specific mission to see the glorious Sony 84" 4K set!!!!!

Talk about absolutely amazing image quality from any angle! Colors were brilliant, blacks were great and all the demo material was in 4K! They had some excellent colorful footage of what I think was Madrid, especially some of the colorful coastal housing..

I have to say I'm seriously smitten for 4K! I can imagine watching images recorded from the JVC on one of these babies ALL STINKING DAY!! LOL

To me, Sony priced themselves out of the flat panel arena, especially when you can the the equally as great LG model for probably 5-8K less than the Sony depending on retail pricing once it streets.

Man, envious of you guys filming in 4K, soon. :-\
post #133 of 158
@ David,

Sony Store
Fashion Valley
7007 Friars Road #731
San Diego, CA 92108
Phone. 619-220-7482

In case you wanted to get your eyes on one of those Sony 4K sets also. :-) I don't think they have a 4K connection option on those sets that's compatible with the JVC, you could try to take a thumb drive or portable HDD and see if they let you hook it up. Sony Store employees are usually pretty cool.

Let us know your observations if you do.
post #134 of 158
Thanks for the tip, Troy. I'll check out their display.

JVC's output is awkward and about to become obsolete since the new 4K HDMI spec is being finalized. It was all they could do at the time, though since the only 4K monitors then used 4 connectors. I suspect I'll have to wait for the new Bluray 4K spec and the new MPEG H.265 to be completed next year to get a 4K playback option. Even then, I'll probably have to wait another year or two for a consumer authoring program to be upgraded to Bluray 4K and made reliable. That's plenty of time for the 4K TV prices to come down.

In the mean time, I've written a program to merge the front and back audio files from my Zoom H2N into a 5.1 WAV file. Power Director 10 takes these audio files and 4K Quicktime Prores files and makes beautiful surround sound Full HD Blurays. I estimate I'm getting about 2/3rd's of the camera's full resolution this way. That's much sharper than my native HD recordings and will do until I can remaster it all in true 4K.

You may be in a good position by waiting to get your 4K camera, History may repeat it self. As you know, JVC was the first to market with a prosumer HD camcorder, but it had weak light sensitivity and only used one sensor which limited it a bit. Almost a year later Sony released their first, the three chip FX1 which was a much better camcorder.

Sony seems really interested in 4K so they must have a 4K prosumer camcorder in the works. It might be a three chip version of the HMQ10. On the other hand, I was unimpressed with Sony's 3D camcorder last year and bought the JVC model instead. Keep an eye out for Sony rumors before you decide to buy.
post #135 of 158
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JVC was the first to market with a prosumer HD camcorder...

The GR-HD1, I bought that when it hit the market!! Still have it. :-) I've always been and early adopter, one of the reasons I wanted to get the Q10.
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I suspect I'll have to wait for the new Bluray 4K spec and the new MPEG H.265 to be completed next year to get a 4K playback option. Even then, I'll probably have to wait another year or two for a consumer authoring program to be upgraded to Bluray 4K and made reliable. That's plenty of time for the 4K TV prices to come down.

You always have the digital files that you can playback on any TV that has HDMI 1.4, all 3D sets do and the latest 4K sets also accept 4K input via the HDMI connections as well so there shouldn't be a problem with standalone playback. I'm hoping that they accept 4K content via USB also, that would make life so nice. You're already archiving the original files, so you could use either a PC solution or server to get the files to the TV. I was mentioning the Sony not being able to accept 4 4K HDMI for the sake of the here-and-now, meaning you wouldn't be able to just plug-n-play in the store.

Sony has a 4K projector that's been on the market for a few months now and when they send it to reviewers, they send along an HP server with 4K content for testing purposes, same as what they're doing for the demos in the stores.

Cheers.
post #136 of 158
I'm really glad JVC got the consumer HD camcorder market started. I had been waiting a long time to record in HD. Even though I didn't get the GR-HD1, I felt I owed them a camcorder purchase and was glad to get their 3D TD1 last year.

I got a chance to see the Sony 4K TV last weekend. It was very impressive. It was twice the size of my 42" TV and, even sitting quite close, still looked very sharp. I talked to one of the Sony folks and he mentioned a dedicated server feeding it 4K samples.

I just read that Power Director 11 is out and has native support for rendering 4K video. Of course, its file mode only for now, but that does give me a good rendering option. I'm still amazed that Power Director 10 can render HD from 4K files without any problem. As a programmer, I know it's just a matter of reading the video file header and allocating the memory as needed, but so many companies these days like to limit their products that PD10's 4K input compatibility was a pleasant surprise.
post #137 of 158
I got a chance to see Sony 4K TV few days ago, it was really amazing! I wonder what did they use to make the demo video though...maybe Sony F65?
The whole time while I was watching the demo, one thing keeps show up in my mind is "I wonder what my Q10 video will look like on that thing".
Although the TV itself was amazing, the price tag certainly is nowhere near affordable...it costs more than my car!
Hopefully it can become more affordable in 3 years time...
post #138 of 158
I bought PowerDirector 11 ultra to stich my Q10 files together. Can anybody tell me how to do it? Thanks
post #139 of 158
Not really sure how to do it in Power director 11 Ultra since it is new software with new feature.
Perhaps you can try it with AE or PR? it is really simple with those 2.
post #140 of 158
Does anyone know where I can find software that will stitch together the four quadrants from the HMQ10U on Windows 7? Thank you!
post #141 of 158
Thread Starter 
With Premiere Pro, you can easily put all 4 videos on a 2160p timeline and use the nest feature. It essentially turns it into 1 2160p file. Here's instructions for Final Cut users that I just found.
http://www.jigsawbroadcast.com/articles/workflow-tips-4k-on-a-budget-with-the-jvc-hmq10
post #142 of 158
After Effects, Premiere Pro or Power Director 11 Ultra, all runs on Windows 7 and all of them can stitch videos.
post #143 of 158
Double post by accident--please delete.
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post #145 of 158
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Originally Posted by Troy LaMont View Post

55" 4K set from Sony for only $5,000!

It has begun!!
What are you going to watch on this? Your own 4K videos? Or Netflix's 5 Mbit/s "high definition" movies?
post #146 of 158
Thread Starter 
Theirs no denying that 4K is sort of a niche product at this time but theirs absolutely nothing wrong with selling it to people who wants to view their own videos and then theirs sure to be 4K movies available on the PS4 by streaming and using codecs that are more advanced than what's currently used for 1080p even if it's still H.264 since their are many configurations of that. Even better if the PS4 uses H.265. It would be a very, very smart move to make sure it's H.265 complaint especially to make sure 2160p files aren't too big especially for web streaming. Plus, theirs already BDXL players in the market that handles Blu-Ray discs of up to 128GB. It also wont be long until we get more consumer 4K cameras. Heck, we might even see cell phones recording 2160 30p by the end of this year. I find that freaking crazy! 4K DSLR's will mean that we finally get DSLR's that look extremely high res rather than soft like some of them. So people who liked the benefits of a DSLR but wished it was shaper, will be celebrating. It also might give you less moire and aliasing.


This TV is coming in at $5,000 even though it's a Sony should be considered a good thing and yes it's still a niche but it wont be long until that changes. With all that said, I don't know if it's been confirmed yet on rather these are HDMI 2.0 complaint. For people who wants to watch 2160 24p or 30p content, they shouldn't worry about it but for people who wants to watch 2160 60p content, you'll have to wait until next year's models just in case this one doesn't have it. I really hope it does (even though I can't afford it regardless).
Edited by Paulo Teixeira - 3/22/13 at 11:50pm
post #147 of 158
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Originally Posted by Troy LaMont View Post

55" 4K set from Sony for only $5,000!

It has begun!!
I am sure it will sell great when it drops to $797.99 like the Samsung UN55EH6000 55" LED HDTV in a few years but you really need a much larger screen to see the difference at normal viewing distance since a 60" 1080p HDTV looks like a Retina display when viewed from 7.8 feet or more .
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Existing 40 inch 1920x1080 HDTV is a "Retina Display" when viewed from 5.2 feet or more
Existing 50 inch 1920x1080 HDTV is a "Retina Display" when viewed from 6.5 feet or more
Existing 60 inch 1920x1080 HDTV is a "Retina Display" when viewed from 7.8 feet or more
http://www.displaymate.com/news.html#7
Edited by jogiba - 3/25/13 at 2:11pm
post #148 of 158
Thread Starter 
Like what's been said elsewhere, it wont be just resolution, it'll be other things that come with these TVs such as better color, better 3D effects, etc. If people aren't going to be into the increased resolution, they might be into the other things.
I've mentioned why DSLR's will benefit and as for camcorders in which some are very sharp as is, they'll get other benefits as well such as no rolling shutter. Usually the consumer cameras with no rolling shutter that we've been using aren't as sharp as rolling shutter cameras. I think companies will be putting Global CMOS/MOS chips mostly in consumer camcorders that shoots in 2160p. And then theirs the fact that in increase in resolution can help with stabilizing your footage in post or zooming into the frame which can add extra angles in a music video. Color grading will also benefit since when you go overboard with some color grading effects, you can destroy some of that detail.

Mentioning viewing distances doesn't give the whole picture concerning 4K (2160p). Just like cameras saying they record in 1080p doesn't give the whole picture since some can get very close while others aren't close at all to that resolution. Same thing with codecs. Their are a ton of ways to implement H.264. Some are far more efficient than others and H.265 will be even better.
post #149 of 158
It looks like Apple will have a 4K UHDTV in 2014.
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Apple expected to release Ultra HD TV
Apple is reportedly continuing to develop a TV rumored to be called the iTV, which is likely to support Ultra HD (3840 by 2160) along with voice and motion control functions and Internet connectivity, according to industry supply chain sources.

The sources said that Apple and Foxconn Electronics have been in discussions for quite some time in terms of the TV's mass production schedule, but that Apple has been considering where panel supply for the TV will come from, as Ultra HD TV panel makers, most of whom are based in Taiwan, are expected to be producing at nearly full capacity in 2013 in order to meet demand from China-based TV vendors.

Additionally, other panel makers in Apple's supply chain that may have the ability to produce Ultra HD TV panels are expected to allocate most of their panel production to the company's iPhone, iPad and iPad mini products instead, as ultra-mobile devices are expected to be popular in the market during 2013, the sources noted.

However, the sources added that Apple is banking on LG Display to be able to mass produce Ultra HD TV panels by the second half of the year. If LG is successful and has ample supply of the technology, Apple may try to release the TV by the end of 2013 but is more likely to do so towards the beginning of 2014.





http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130326PD218.html
post #150 of 158
Thread Starter 
That wouldn't be surprising at all since the resolution on their MacBook Pro is 2880x1800. Perhaps they'll have a 32" iTV model. With Sony willing to sell a 55" 4K TV for $5,000 and most likely lower for the CES 2014 sets, I hope this Apple wont be more than $3.000.

JVC did show off a big chip version of the HMQ10U a while back. I'm sure they'll be showing it off again at NAB. Hopefully it wont be any more than $10,000 and if they can make it 10 bit from start to finish, that would be a nice bonus. On EOSHD, theirs a rumor that Panasonic could be releasing a 4K version of the GH camera. I do remember a patent long ago that shows something the shape of a camcorder (Sort of like the Sony VG30). A 4K version of my GH2 having a shape of a camcorder would be nice especially if it has built in ND filters and priced well. That kind of camera with 4K does seam a bit unlikely for this year though. A Sony version version would be nice as well. I probably wouldn't be getting a new camera anytime soon anyway unless I get extremely busy with paid video gigs. For sure it would be nice to have extra cool angles in music videos.
Edited by Paulo Teixeira - 3/27/13 at 6:37pm
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