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post #31 of 409
1/11/12 at 2:36pm
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I think its more of a server/nas type thing that can take 4 x Hdd.

Correct, only reason to get is if you want a NAS type of setup where you could house 4 hard drives. You have to buy the main base (middle) and then the top and bottom module would be optional
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post #32 of 409
1/11/12 at 7:54pm
Always exciting when the new lines come out. Will need another media player in a few months for the kids room so maybe they will get my dune d1 and I will get a new model if its under 500. Wouldn't pay more then that for something I wouldn't have for longer then 12-18 months.
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post #33 of 409
1/11/12 at 10:42pm
I checked this out in the morning, and the setup seems very professional (similar to what custom integrators install rather than something the average Joe can go out and buy)

Pricing for base unit is around $1900. Pricing for the two add-ons hasn't been decided yet.

Unless we have something based on the SMP 8910 in the $200 - $300 range, it is going to be very difficult for the local media streamer market to continue to remain mainstream (and not be overshadowed by the OTT or pure DLNA based streamer markets).
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post #34 of 409
1/11/12 at 10:57pm
Storage unit comes with ripper and can be extended with sata and NAS. Price for the stack is about 4.5k. Sigma is still having sdk issues. Hulu plug in coming soon. Optional zwave home automation software to come. Built in jukebox interface coming. Sigma is trying to certify for Netflix for all players that will use the 8910.
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post #35 of 409
1/11/12 at 11:05pm
I sure hope there will be some kind of successor for the HD Max, that is media player with BluRay drive in some slim case. I just don't have enough space for such a pile of boxes!
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post #36 of 409
1/12/12 at 4:11am
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Originally Posted by jakmal View Post

I checked this out in the morning, and the setup seems very professional (similar to what custom integrators install rather than something the average Joe can go out and buy)

Pricing for base unit is around $1900. Pricing for the two add-ons hasn't been decided yet.

Unless we have something based on the SMP 8910 in the $200 - $300 range, it is going to be very difficult for the local media streamer market to continue to remain mainstream (and not be overshadowed by the OTT or pure DLNA based streamer markets).

My understanding is that it would be possible to use the SMP8910 but not implement the VXP processing (which should drop prices). This would be where the more mainstream players would be targeted (hopefully that $200-$300 price range), but of course this is just speculation for now
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post #37 of 409
1/12/12 at 8:51am
I am quite new to the 3D aspect. What is the story with RealD? Which there player supports? I looked at it hooked unto a pioneer elite tv and the 3D was great. Will my Sony HX929 support this?
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post #38 of 409
1/12/12 at 10:34am
Here is some more info on the dune pro

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5399/d...esigns-smp8910

Coming in at 1900.00 damn that's expensive. Also mention of cinavia
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post #39 of 409
1/12/12 at 10:58am
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Thats expensive for sure and the Cinavia is something I will research.I hope more details will emerge soon.I dont want a Bluray disc player incorparated in a Dune unit as I have plenty of Bluray players.
What problems could Cinavia cause us.
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post #40 of 409
1/12/12 at 12:11pm
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Thats expensive for sure and the Cinavia is something I will research.I hope more details will emerge soon.I dont want a Bluray disc player incorparated in a Dune unit as I have plenty of Bluray players.
What problems could Cinavia cause us.

Well it looks like the center unit is the main one but does not have an HDD which I think is the 1900.00 unit, if it had a HDD it would be perfect! Now as for cinavia it's all about copy protection! A player infected with cinavia will not play a backed up disc! One that contains the cinavia protection. On Fabs forum there is great explanation of this protection and which movies as of now contain it?
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post #41 of 409
1/12/12 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by diablozoe View Post

Here is some more info on the dune pro

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5399/d...esigns-smp8910

Coming in at 1900.00 damn that's expensive. Also mention of cinavia

I had made this comment regarding Cinavia on my blog (pure speculation on my part but I "think" there is some logic to it)

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Yes, it has been rumored that CInavia would be implemented on all new Sigma chips going forward. However, I wouldn't read too much into this as of yet for the following reasons:

1) Just because it is part of the 8910 doesn't mean it has to be implemented. For example, my understanding is that Cinavia only applies for commercial Blu-ray players. So it could be possible that if you got an 8910 player that did not act as a commercial Blu-ray player (i.e. BR ROM drive) then Cinavia would not be active

2) Dune and Syabas are well aware of the implications that Cinavia would have on their business model, so don't expect that they would just blindly implement. For example, let's look at the HD Pro. If you assume that the main model does not have Cinavia since it cannot act as a commercial BR player, then you could assume that the two modules would in fact kick in Cinavia. If that is the case, there there would be no reason to even consider either of the two modules (especially the bottom module which allows for 4 drives of storage of content that you may not be able to play).

For me the whole Cinavia thing is an unknown. Syabas, Dune, etc know that implementation would kill their business model, so I expect there will be workarounds. Granted this is just me speculating Of course the easiest solution would be SLysoft and others figuring out a way to crack Cinavia, then this all becomes a moot point!
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post #42 of 409
1/12/12 at 1:11pm
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I had made this comment regarding Cinavia on my blog (pure speculation on my part but I "think" there is some logic to it)

I hope this is the way it happens!! I just want the media player with an internal HDD!
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post #43 of 409
1/12/12 at 1:19pm
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I hope this is the way it happens!! I just want the media player with an internal HDD!

Yeah. li,e I said, just speculation on my part. I have had talks with some reps who basically have said without saying that Cinavia will not happen in a meaningful way, but really only time will tell.

Ultimately, from Dune and Syabas, they know that if they implement Cinavia, their business model goes away...

Let's all hold out hope for AnyDVD and DVDFab to crack!
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post #44 of 409
1/12/12 at 3:50pm
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Yeah. li,e I said, just speculation on my part. I have had talks with some reps who basically have said without saying that Cinavia will not happen in a meaningful way, but really only time will tell.

Ultimately, from Dune and Syabas, they know that if they implement Cinavia, their business model goes away...

Let's all hold out hope for AnyDVD and DVDFab to crack!

Cinavia then would be a deal breaker for me.
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post #45 of 409
1/12/12 at 3:51pm
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Cinavia then would be a deal breaker for me.

Yup, assume that for any of the media players if they have Cinavia implemented, you would see the user base drop off very quickly (and most likely move to Realtek or other players since right now it seems specific to Sigma)
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post #46 of 409
1/12/12 at 3:59pm
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Well it looks like the center unit is the main one but does not have an HDD which I think is the 1900.00 unit, if it had a HDD it would be perfect! Now as for cinavia it's all about copy protection! A player infected with cinavia will not play a backed up disc! One that contains the cinavia protection. On Fabs forum there is great explanation of this protection and which movies as of now contain it?

Couldnt agree more that if the centre unit had a hdd as well would be perfect for me.
I had a look abit about Cinavia and if it is implemented maybe a hardware or software work around.I buy my blurays and have heaps and as my dvd's are backup on a hdd.Its a great simple way to catalgue titles ---once you get used to it its hard to go back,my better half loves it and wont look thru printed catalogue of movies I have and just wants to look thru the jukebox lol-I also have vaious catagories for the hdd's like DVD HORROR DVD SCI Fi and the same for bluray-also I usually do movie only to save disc space and get rid of all the crap before the movie starts.Spoilt now
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post #47 of 409
1/12/12 at 5:10pm
Sorry for the tangent... but what is the point of THX Media Director? Aren't most BDs already encoded for what the director intended? Well except for FOTR EE! Sorry... I'll stop.

If my display and surround system have been properly calibrated... why would I want the metadata of the content make changes to the audio and video?

Sorry for my ignorance.
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post #48 of 409
1/12/12 at 9:04pm
wow... i feel like nobody read my post...
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post #49 of 409
1/12/12 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

wow... i feel like nobody read my post...

I read it
What sort of problems is sigma having with sdk.
thanks
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post #50 of 409
1/13/12 at 1:18am
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wow... i feel like nobody read my post...

read it 3 minutes ago, and still not sure if the 4.5k$ price is a joke or not
Just to be sure "stack" = all 3 (main unit + 2 add-ons) or just the big nas with touchscreen ?

Where did you get this info ?
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post #51 of 409
1/13/12 at 1:32am
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read it 3 minutes ago, and still not sure if the 4.5k$ price is a joke or not
Just to be sure "stack" = all 3 (main unit + 2 add-ons) or just the big nas with touchscreen ?

Where did you get this info ?

Its not that far fetched if they are getting into the white glove type service. Think how much a kaleidescape system costs. for a full home its around 15,000$ last time i checked.
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post #52 of 409
1/13/12 at 1:33am
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wow... i feel like nobody read my post...

Its a given there would be sdk issues. there has never been a SoC media player that did not have sdk issues. world might come to an end if we got a 100% working correctly sdk.
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post #53 of 409
1/13/12 at 2:25am
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Its not that far fetched if they are getting into the white glove type service. Think how much a kaleidescape system costs. for a full home its around 15,000$ last time i checked.

That's a strange direction for Dune, and honestly I don't know if they are able to offer the level of service that will compete with very high end systems like kaleidescape. Even if their resellers are nice guys and very good on service, I can't imagine Dune being able to make a simple firmware working from day one, which is something people buying such expensive products are waiting for... (this should be even more complicated when you start using a new chipset)
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post #54 of 409
1/13/12 at 2:28am
I agree. But almost anyone that has bought any of the other dune models more then likely wont spend the 2000$ just for the SoC so they have to be trying to branch out to a different market.
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post #55 of 409
1/13/12 at 3:08am
I also talked to Cyberlink and Sigma Designs today.

Lot of interesting points given to me about Cinavia and Blu-ray by both companies. I will write up a very detailed report after CES fever dies down. I have enough info to confirm / correct Damian's inferences.

Sigma doesn't expect 8910 players to be mature till the end of the year from their SDK viewpoint. So, if Dune is bringing out the Pro before Q3, they must be really working some magic on their side.
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post #56 of 409
1/13/12 at 4:21am
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Originally Posted by jakmal View Post

I also talked to Cyberlink and Sigma Designs today.

Lot of interesting points given to me about Cinavia and Blu-ray by both companies. I will write up a very detailed report after CES fever dies down. I have enough info to confirm / correct Damian's inferences.

Sigma doesn't expect 8910 players to be mature till the end of the year from their SDK viewpoint. So, if Dune is bringing out the Pro before Q3, they must be really working some magic on their side.

Awesome Ganesh. Definitely pure speculation and some hearsay on my part from folks I have spoken to. I know from speaking with Syabas they basically laugh at the idea that Dune is pushing an 8910 player as there would have to be a serious amount of magic involved at this point lol
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post #57 of 409
1/13/12 at 4:26am
The more I think about the Dune HDPro the more I scratch my head about the direction of Dune. Obviously a player like the HD Pro is not really targeted at most of us here, or honestly at what I would expect to be a majority of the Dune user base. If they are looking to compete with kaleidescape then to be honest if money was not an issue I would already have a kaleidescape system. The bottom module which allows for 4 hard drives, what does that really accomplish as I would expect those drives to fill up very fast (especially if some sort of RAID/redundancy is implemented). IDK, if this is just a branch off with Dune but the main focus will continue to be the current user base (Smart series Dune players) then no big deal. Just a curious move...
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post #58 of 409
1/13/12 at 7:17am
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read it 3 minutes ago, and still not sure if the 4.5k$ price is a joke or not
Just to be sure "stack" = all 3 (main unit + 2 add-ons) or just the big nas with touchscreen ?

Where did you get this info ?

All 3 units... The price is estimated. Dune wants to be the next oppo.... Lower tier going upscale
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post #59 of 409
1/13/12 at 7:28am
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All 3 units... The price is estimated. Dune wants to be the next oppo.... Lower tier going upscale

I haven't figured out why you would even need all three. At most you would only need two out of the 3 I would think (since the two modules come with Blu-ray Drives, it would just be a matter of what storage you want). If the modules are meant to be ripping stations then I could possibly understand having all 3 modules.
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post #60 of 409
1/13/12 at 9:52am
I would love a dune that will play 3D ISO. I currently have 3 various units of the current models throughout the house. I was very excited when I first saw the picture and thought they are 3 individual units. I would love just the top version, could they just make that as a standalone??
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