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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

So, there is even more vaporware or whoknowswhenwhere out of IFA than CES?

IFA is more for smaller players in the game. CES is for bigger companies to show what they are launching. Its not unusual for big companies to spend $1million+ doing a CES show.
post #302 of 409
I don't think Sigma has $1 million left to spend.
post #303 of 409
I will be at CEDIA next month and will do some digging
post #304 of 409
Thread Starter 
Will be interesting if dune has any plans
Myself I hope so
post #305 of 409
How about the Max 3D then? biggrin.gif
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mailing from HDI:


Dune HD invites you to visit our stand at IFA 2012,
taking place on the 31 August - 5 September 2012
at Messe Berlin, Germany.

Following successful launches of new media players and hybrid set-top boxes at ANGA Cable in Cologne, Dune HD will be showcasing an extensive range of new products with even more features in ever-smaller form-factors:

TV-103D: compact and elegant media player with IPTV/VOD support and 3D capability
TV-403D: hybrid media player with IPTV/VOD support, twin-tuners (DVB), hard drive bay and 3D capability
Max 3D: media player with Blu-ray 3D support as well as full IPTV/VoD functionality
Dune HD Connect: world’s smallest Full HD media player in the format of HDMI dongle with built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and Z-Wave option.

With rich feature sets including 3D video support and OpenGL hardware acceleration, Dune HD players offer the richest user experience for today’s exacting consumer of quality content.

The Dune HD product demonstrations will be on Stand No 137, hall 3.2.
For more information or to book a demo in person, please contact us. We look forward to seeing you there.

www.dune-hd.com
post #306 of 409
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Originally Posted by Fredrik Rasmussen View Post

How about the Max 3D then? biggrin.gif

I would not hold my breathe the dune pro was announced at IFA last year and look what came of that. They have always been quick to jump the gun on new products, and never deliver. If they have a working model at IFA i will believe it. If its just another empty box with a computer running a display we can all assume it will be another no show.
post #307 of 409
Max/TV range is the bread and butter range for HDI.

The Pro range is the Duke Nukem Forever part. And it is not mentioned.
post #308 of 409
no word about the pro and nothing about the possible upgrade for the smart range they promised a long time ago...

Strangely the fact that duneplayer.com is trying to sell-out the current range by offering shipping (and the french dune reseller is doing the same) might be a sign that the new ones will come in stock rapidly. At least we can hope so biggrin.gif
post #309 of 409
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

no word about the pro and nothing about the possible upgrade for the smart range they promised a long time ago...
Strangely the fact that duneplayer.com is trying to sell-out the current range by offering shipping (and the french dune reseller is doing the same) might be a sign that the new ones will come in stock rapidly. At least we can hope so biggrin.gif
Well that would be nice but if they are not planning a 3D model, then what would a new model offer that they don't already have? And PLEASE don't tell me it's Android based otherwise I will puke...biggrin.gif
Seriously, if they do not offer up a 3D player what WOULD be the point?
post #310 of 409
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

Well that would be nice but if they are not planning a 3D model, then what would a new model offer that they don't already have? And PLEASE don't tell me it's Android based otherwise I will puke...biggrin.gif
Seriously, if they do not offer up a 3D player what WOULD be the point?

Not everyone cares about 3D. Look at PCH, they upgraded their 200 series to the 300 series using a newer Sigma chip
post #311 of 409
I don't care at all about 3D (not going to change my TV and receiver anytime soon). So outside of 3D, the main point would be more horse power for the CPU and the openGL support. This could lead to a possible xbmc version for dune ! The question is then : would HDI supply this out of the box, or are they going to let the community play with it (and then we will have to wait before seeing xbmc on a dune for real).

If you look to their past decisions regarding the GUI they use and what they did (i.e. : NOTHING) with an in-house jukeboxe everybody asked them to do, i think you can bet that there won't be much to see except hardware...

i just hope they won't focus everything on "great apps like FB or Twitter added to the dune" as a selling keypoint mad.gif
post #312 of 409
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Not everyone cares about 3D. Look at PCH, they upgraded their 200 series to the 300 series using a newer Sigma chip

I three do not care for 3D nor does my wife and kids. May be when the day come when you do not need to wear 3D glasses then I'll probably do the switch.
post #313 of 409
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Not everyone cares about 3D. Look at PCH, they upgraded their 200 series to the 300 series using a newer Sigma chip
Kind of my point! What does the 300 bring to the table that make it a compelling upgrade over the 200, besides ISO playback issues? :-)
And, I am ok if you don't care about 3D, as long as you are ok with the fact that I DO!
:-)
post #314 of 409
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

I don't care at all about 3D (not going to change my TV and receiver anytime soon). So outside of 3D, the main point would be more horse power for the CPU and the openGL support. This could lead to a possible xbmc version for dune ! The question is then : would HDI supply this out of the box, or are they going to let the community play with it (and then we will have to wait before seeing xbmc on a dune for real).
If you look to their past decisions regarding the GUI they use and what they did (i.e. : NOTHING) with an in-house jukeboxe everybody asked them to do, i think you can bet that there won't be much to see except hardware...
i just hope they won't focus everything on "great apps like FB or Twitter added to the dune" as a selling keypoint mad.gif
Yeah, that was my concern as well. Silly apps that I could care less about! Of course, some people would rather have those apps than 3D capability, and I guess if that is what the market dictates, then that is what we will get.
Personally, i love 3d on a 120" screen and so does my son. He is counting down the days until Avengers comes out!
post #315 of 409
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

Kind of my point! What does the 300 bring to the table that make it a compelling upgrade over the 200, besides ISO playback issues? :-)
And, I am ok if you don't care about 3D, as long as you are ok with the fact that I DO!
:-)

You can't keep pushing out 4 yr old hardware, especially since the 8642/8643 will eventually stop being supported by Sigma. With a new chip hopefully will bring more potential when it comes to the user experience (i.e. faster UI, more dynamic jukebox functionality, etc...). Of course any new chip brings new bugs...
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

Yeah, that was my concern as well. Silly apps that I could care less about! Of course, some people would rather have those apps than 3D capability, and I guess if that is what the market dictates, then that is what we will get.
Personally, i love 3d on a 120" screen and so does my son. He is counting down the days until Avengers comes out!

Oh its out already (I have not gotten personally but it is there) wink.gif
post #316 of 409
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

You can't keep pushing out 4 yr old hardware, especially since the 8642/8643 will eventually stop being supported by Sigma. With a new chip hopefully will bring more potential when it comes to the user experience (i.e. faster UI, more dynamic jukebox functionality, etc...). Of course any new chip brings new bugs...
Oh its out already (I have not gotten personally but it is there) wink.gif

There are so many more things that can be done with the EXISTING hardware...

1. Native video output
2. DSD support
3. MLP support
4. Buffer audio to support gapless playback
5. Icon view of photos
6. Prefetch of photos
7. Better bookmark support

These would make the existing product much better without any need of additional hardware. The internet stuff is fine for A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. This is a LOCAL MEDIA STREAMER... how about making it a great one rather than trying to make it something that it is not.
post #317 of 409
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

There are so many more things that can be done with the EXISTING hardware...
1. Native video output
2. DSD support
3. MLP support
4. Buffer audio to support gapless playback
5. Icon view of photos
6. Prefetch of photos
7. Better bookmark support
These would make the existing product much better without any need of additional hardware. The internet stuff is fine for A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. This is a LOCAL MEDIA STREAMER... how about making it a great one rather than trying to make it something that it is not.

You could say that about every piece of technology, there will always be things that could be done better. Does that mean a company should not focus development on new technology as well??? You will never be able to make everyone happy (the items you listed don't matter to me, and stuff I want may not matter to you, etc...). The Dunes have been running on the same hardware for over 3 year which is a lifetime in this market, so it isn't something where they are just looking to pump out products and move on
post #318 of 409
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

no word about the pro and nothing about the possible upgrade for the smart range they promised a long time ago...
Strangely the fact that duneplayer.com is trying to sell-out the current range by offering shipping (and the french dune reseller is doing the same) might be a sign that the new ones will come in stock rapidly. At least we can hope so biggrin.gif
Noticed your post @ avforums Mr Eric ;possibly a good bet the nda referred to here is that smart range upgrade ;

http://www.avforums.com/forums/17502872-post149.html

Nice comment as to availability from a reseller as well smile.gif Now a 3d frame packed chipset is available Ime hopefull dune would want to cover as many pricepoints as possible ;exciting stuff [ another 3d lover Ime afraid -but only the good stuff cool.gif]
post #319 of 409
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Originally Posted by cwt View Post

Noticed your post @ avforums Mr Eric ;possibly a good bet the nda referred to here is that smart range upgrade ;
http://www.avforums.com/forums/17502872-post149.html
Nice comment as to availability from a reseller as well smile.gif Now a 3d frame packed chipset is available Ime hopefull dune would want to cover as many pricepoints as possible ;exciting stuff [ another 3d lover Ime afraid -but only the good stuff cool.gif]

It will be interesting to see with the new models if Dune has to forgo the Full BD support model (to avoid possible issues with Cinavia). It would definitely be nice to get a sigma 3DBR player so I can come against the Realtek ones I have
post #320 of 409
Im confused the according to graham.myers on avforums the 3dmax is based off sigma 8672/8673 which does not have 3d bd capabilities as part of its specs
post #321 of 409
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

Im confused the according to graham.myers on avforums the 3dmax is based off sigma 8672/8673 which does not have 3d bd capabilities as part of its specs

It is odd the specs don't specifically state Blu ray 3D (which the 8910 specs do).

However, isn't blu ray 3D also MVC? If you look at the 8910 specs:
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3D video support
Generic side-by-side and top-bottom
Blu-ray 3D
RealD, Sensio, TDVision

8672:
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3D video support
Generic side-by-side, top-bottom, MVC
RealD (side-by-side output)
Generic side-by-side, top-bottom, frame packed output)

Although, from reading MVC is used for stereoscopic Blu-ray 3D
post #322 of 409
My understanding is that mvc is a kind of BR lite for 3d. Works like a normal 3d movie but you can't have 3d menus.
post #323 of 409
interesting guess we will have to just wait and see. Im seeing mixed info on what MVC is but I guess its the standard for 3d bluray. Guess we will wait to see how it does.
post #324 of 409
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

interesting guess we will have to just wait and see. Im seeing mixed info on what MVC is but I guess its the standard for 3d bluray. Guess we will wait to see how it does.

Looking at the Realtek 1186 (which supports Blu-ray 3D), it doesn't specifically list Blu-ray 3D but does list MVC. I am guessing as Mr Eric said, it will be your Blu-ray 3D support sans some of the extra such as menus, etc... (which depending on if Dune skips full br licensing may be a moot point anyhow)
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HD MPEG1/2/4, H.264/H.264 MVC, AVC/VC1, RM/RMVB, AVS Decoder with 10/100/1000M Ethernet, PCIe, Card Reader, and HDMI
post #325 of 409
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

There are so many more things that can be done with the EXISTING hardware...
1. Native video output
2. DSD support
3. MLP support
4. Buffer audio to support gapless playback
5. Icon view of photos
6. Prefetch of photos
7. Better bookmark support
These would make the existing product much better without any need of additional hardware. The internet stuff is fine for A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. This is a LOCAL MEDIA STREAMER... how about making it a great one rather than trying to make it something that it is not.

1. Native video outputused to care when i had more dvd's, now, not so much
2. DSD supportdon't care
3. MLP supportB]don't care[/B]
4. Buffer audio to support gapless playbackB]don't care[/B]
5. Icon view of photosB]don't care[/B]
6. Prefetch of photosB]don't care[/B]
7. Better bookmark supportB]don't care[/B]

I am not dismissing the fact that you want these things just stating that there is no way they will ever please everyone...
I am still holding out for an unaltered color space of 4:2:2 for you know who...biggrin.gif
post #326 of 409
everybody also seems to want to keep bitching about the three year old hardware, but at least they keep it updated! That can't be said about a lot of other products in this market...
post #327 of 409
Looks like we will get to see some competition looks like pch is also bringing out a 3d player based on the 8672. Will be a nice comparison to see how well each company comes out with a new product. Hopefully they price them close enough together and dune lowers there price a little.
post #328 of 409
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

Looks like we will get to see some competition looks like pch is also bringing out a 3d player based on the 8672. Will be a nice comparison to see how well each company comes out with a new product. Hopefully they price them close enough together and dune lowers there price a little.

Yeah, so you posting back and forth with accident. Hard to say about competition since it doesn't seem to have affected Dune yet (there current players have been in direct competition for a while). However, more options for the consumer is always better.

Hopefully we will see a little excitement generated in teh media player market, been a snooze fest for a while lol
post #329 of 409
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Looking at the Realtek 1186 (which supports Blu-ray 3D), it doesn't specifically list Blu-ray 3D but does list MVC. I am guessing as Mr Eric said, it will be your Blu-ray 3D support sans some of the extra such as menus, etc... (which depending on if Dune skips full br licensing may be a moot point anyhow)
I noticed dvdfab 3d ripper has a built in h264 mvc decoder Damian to output m2ts; mkv etc formats ; that would be enough for many I imagine smile.gif Came across this free mvc decoder if you want to experiment ;

http://research.nokia.com/page/4988

Atm i create 3d bd iso's from the mvc 3d titles with full menu's natch for my oppo95 so I certainly hope dune skips the bd licensing as it has wink.gif
Edited by cwt - 8/24/12 at 11:24pm
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Edited by graham myers - 8/28/12 at 2:29am
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