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post #1141 of 1791
Thanks, that is nice!

Does it have the InTune app for Internet Radio?
post #1142 of 1791
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Originally Posted by sonic debauchery View Post

I have a friend in Canada, that told me the msrp on the 500 up there is $499. Yikes. It is because panasonic is a privately owned company up there. Have heard the dealers will negotiate but ouch!

Yes Panasonic Canada is gouging us.

Question: will the apps in a US model work in Canada?

I am told for example Pandora in the Oppo will not work on a Canadian ISP. I know there are ways around this but I'm not interested.
post #1143 of 1791
Hi,
I just got this player and so far like it except I find the colors oversaturated.
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Originally Posted by kamiraa View Post

I decided to do a little test to see if my new Oppo BDP-93 would beat the Panasonic BDT-500...

When bitstreaming the blu-ray DISC, I can honestly say there is 0 difference in picture quality from a calibrated BDT-500 compared to the Oppo 93. There shouldn't be though, no image processing is taking place, it's just passing 1's and 0's.

What settings are you using to achieve bit-perfect transport?

I am currently using the defaults (mode: Normal, chroma: Advanced, super res: 1, everything else: 0).
Edited by AVfile - 4/13/13 at 3:45pm
post #1144 of 1791
You should turn Chroma off...
post #1145 of 1791
I have been using this player for a few weeks and so far I am happy with the video and audio (7.1 analog) performance.

However, I do find the loading times of blurays (2D for now) to be longer than expected.
I have watched almost 20 blurays with very similar results.

Typically what happens after closing the tray the player displays the message for establishing network connection (wired Ethernet to my router) followed by the message of reading the disc, then a small icon of a spinning disc or a mini logo of the studio appears before the contents start to play.

From all that I read I was expecting this player to have much faster loading times but up to now I am always encountering a minute or two of delays every time I am ready to watch a bluray.
post #1146 of 1791
If you aren't interested in the BD-Live features, you might try disconnecting the network. That might improve startup times a little
post #1147 of 1791
On the fence between picking up the Panny DMP BDT500 or the Oppo BDP-103. Leaning towards the latter but want to be sure the extra $$$ is justified. I will be using my player with a Panasonic PT-AE8000U projector.

Two questions:

1) Is anyone on this thread using the BDT500 with the Panny 8000? If so, what has your experience been?

2) Has anyone one on this thread used/owned both of the above BR players? If so, how would you compare the two?

Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
post #1148 of 1791
I own both. If I was just watching Bluray and DVD I'd save my money.
post #1149 of 1791
What he is implying is the Oppo is a universal disc player (includes SACD and DVD-A). The Panny is not. If you only have one system, I would get the more capable player as opposed to two cheaper players.
post #1150 of 1791
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

You should turn Chroma off...

The over-saturation I was seeing was because of the stupid kids movie I was watching (Hop). I do not see it on reference material (DVE BD and S&M BD montages). Now I have done some more proper tests - here are my results:

On test patterns, there was an improvement in chroma separation switching Chroma Process from OFF to NORMAL, at the expense of some slight ringing on certain vertical color bar transitions (eg: a red block directly above a blue block). When set to ADVANCED it made the ringing a bit worse.

On blu-ray and DVD I tried very hard but could not see any benefit (or detriment) with real program material. I am leaving it on NORMAL for now to keep an eye on it.

Other notes:

Super Resolution only works for DVD and is most noticeable on resolution burst patterns. It is very powerful as it does not appear to add much ringing at all to the classic sharpness pattern. Set to 1, it makes a nice difference on real program material without bothering me the way a traditional "sharpness" control does. It is a convenient way to boost DVD PQ without affecting Blu-ray, fortunately! I am leaving this on 1.

Detail Clarity works on both DVD and BD. It is like a traditional sharpness control so I wish it didn't exist. I found the most neutral setting to be -1 (that's right, 0 looks sharper but adds ringing to the sharpness test pattern)! I am leaving this on -1.

Summary of my settings
Mode: NORMAL
Chroma Process: NORMAL
Super Resolution: 1
Detail Clarity: -1
post #1151 of 1791
I use my players as a signal generator at times, so the slight color error introduced by the chroma process I need to avoid. But I did read that there were some benefits as well.
post #1152 of 1791
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Originally Posted by AnnapolisSony View Post

On the fence between picking up the Panny DMP BDT500 or the Oppo BDP-103. Leaning towards the latter but want to be sure the extra $$$ is justified. I will be using my player with a Panasonic PT-AE8000U projector.

Two questions:

1) Is anyone on this thread using the BDT500 with the Panny 8000? If so, what has your experience been?

2) Has anyone one on this thread used/owned both of the above BR players? If so, how would you compare the two?

Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

I own both and unless you require the additional features of the Oppo buy the Panasonic.smile.gif
post #1153 of 1791
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I use my players as a signal generator at times, so the slight color error introduced by the chroma process I need to avoid. But I did read that there were some benefits as well.

OK I can understand that. Based on my tests I would guess the dE's found in the 220 review have been fixed. The only serious errors were in Advanced mode anyway, so I would still recommend Normal mode to the average user, even if nothing has changed since the 220 review.
post #1154 of 1791
Gadgtfreek, AVfile & bakerwi,

Thanks so much for your input. I should add that I am only going to be using my player to watch BR discs (2-D 80% of the time & 3-D 20% of the time). I will be running by player thru my AVR (Yamaha RX-A1010).

So is it fair to say that the VIDEO and AUDIO quality from BR discs will be just as good with the BDT500 as the OPPO 103?
post #1155 of 1791
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Originally Posted by AnnapolisSony View Post

Gadgtfreek, AVfile & bakerwi,

Thanks so much for your input. I should add that I am only going to be using my player to watch BR discs (2-D 80% of the time & 3-D 20% of the time). I will be running by player thru my AVR (Yamaha RX-A1010).

So is it fair to say that the VIDEO and AUDIO quality from BR discs will be just as good with the BDT500 as the OPPO 103?

chances are that more discs will actually play on the oppo 103 then the panasonic.
post #1156 of 1791
I'd disagree. Panasonic has always put great effort on making their players have FW before the movie hits retail. Now the OPPO drive may be better with scratched or dirty discs.

If I was spending my money, I'd just buy the 500, or the new 230/330
post #1157 of 1791
I agree with gadgtfreek. I've come across more discs that have difficulty on the Oppo than the Panasonic. The only discs I've had difficulty with on any Panasonic were authoring errors (early Lionsgate and Starship Troopers). Every other discs has played perfectly.

S~
post #1158 of 1791
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Originally Posted by AnnapolisSony View Post

Gadgtfreek, AVfile & bakerwi,

Thanks so much for your input. I should add that I am only going to be using my player to watch BR discs (2-D 80% of the time & 3-D 20% of the time). I will be running by player thru my AVR (Yamaha RX-A1010).

So is it fair to say that the VIDEO and AUDIO quality from BR discs will be just as good with the BDT500 as the OPPO 103?
Yes. Any particular reason for the 500 if you're running through your Yamaha? Panasonic 230 would work just as well. Just asking.

S~
post #1159 of 1791
You mean 220? The 230 is a brand new model based on a different chipset and I don't know if I would recommend it.

I think the 220/320/500 will be the last players to use Panasonic's Uniphier chipset, and we know they are good. I decided to try one before they are all gone, and very happy with it. I also have Sony and Oppo players but this works better with my Panasonic TV.

Some people have said they prefer Panasonic's PQ to Oppo's latest (QDEO) which has some unresolved minor issues right now.

I would pay the extra over the 220 for the 500 just based on its heavier build and looks alone. I know some people don't care about that, but it is a quieter machine. If you live in the States it can be had for a good price on Amazon and probably elsewhere.
Edited by AVfile - 4/16/13 at 3:12pm
post #1160 of 1791
230 and 330 use mediatek, same thing Sony has been using just fine. I have the 230 as well and its snappy and cheap.
post #1161 of 1791
Panasonic did a great job implementing the mediatek chipset. DVD scaliong is excellent. Oppo also uses mediatek on HDMI 2.

S~
post #1162 of 1791
Does anyone have a reference stating Panasonic changed chipsets? All I found was this referring to the Uniphier: https://panasonic.ca/english/audiovideo/bluray/features.asp
Edited by Charlie Tango - 4/16/13 at 4:04pm
post #1163 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Charlie Tango View Post

Does anyone have a reference stating Panasonic changed chipsets? All I found was this referring to the Uniphier: https://panasonic.ca/english/audiovideo/bluray/features.asp

I spoke with avjunkie (panasonic employee at another site) and he confirmed. The mediateks have been used in the non 3D players and lower end tv's before this year, and now it seems they are replacing the Uniphier for a cheaper, but not necessarily worse SoC. Like I said, Sony is a huge supporter of mediatek. One example of no more Uniphier is the 230 and 330 have no Chroma settings in the menu anymore. The 500 of course carries over and still has a Uniphier, as well as that BBT model.

I imagine these manufacturers are going to a single perfected solution instead of doing it in house to drive down the cost of blu-ray players, ad as stated above, the mediatek may even do better with DVD. Just look at the Oppo.
post #1164 of 1791
FYI,

I just played around with my 230. Its fast, sleek and works just fine. On the other hand, it looks and feels cheap, and is very loud. Depending on budget, Id get a 500 just for build and how it looks in your main HT.
post #1165 of 1791

I had both Oppo and Pana like the Oppo better for SACDs the Pana doesn't play SACDs

post #1166 of 1791
I've owned the Oppo 83 and 93, both sold to buy the 103. Unfortunately, I cannot agree that the Mediatek implementation in the Oppo 103 is better. Sent the Oppo 103 back along with 3 other players I had for evaluation at the time. The Panasonic BDT500 just presented a better overall and more consistently pleasing picture in my system. It has played flawlessly.
post #1167 of 1791
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I spoke with avjunkie (panasonic employee at another site) and he confirmed. The mediateks have been used in the non 3D players and lower end tv's before this year, and now it seems they are replacing the Uniphier for a cheaper, but not necessarily worse SoC. Like I said, Sony is a huge supporter of mediatek.

I imagine these manufacturers are going to a single perfected solution instead of doing it in house to drive down the cost of blu-ray players,

I imagine they are pretty much done with manufacturing and outsourcing the entire machine like everyone else.
post #1168 of 1791
I have read every post in this thread. Yes. All 1,168 of them.

Sounds like the Panny 500 is one heck of a player and will be an improvement over my current panny BDP-605k.

But what I really want to know is how it compares to the Oppo 103. Other gear is Marantz SR7006, Sim2 D60 projector and a 106" screen. Do the experts think there would be a noticeable difference in PQ with the Oppo?

Note: Not overly concerned with audio quality, not sure I've got the gear to resolve differences between the two via HDMI or Analog connection...Polk speakers and all...Unless those more experienced think otherwise?

Thanks In Advance!!!

Ryan
post #1169 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Inspector 24 View Post

I have read every post in this thread. Yes. All 1,168 of them.

Sounds like the Panny 500 is one heck of a player and will be an improvement over my current panny BDP-605k.

But what I really want to know is how it compares to the Oppo 103. Other gear is Marantz SR7006, Sim2 D60 projector and a 106" screen. Do the experts think there would be a noticeable difference in PQ with the Oppo?

Note: Not overly concerned with audio quality, not sure I've got the gear to resolve differences between the two via HDMI or Analog connection...Polk speakers and all...Unless those more experienced think otherwise?

Thanks In Advance!!!

Ryan

Digital is Digital - Is a Panny "1'" Better than an Oppo "1"

I'll bet you can figure that out.

Do Players support different features - YES - You need to make a
BUYING Decision based on Feature Support - A "!" is a "!" and a
"0" is a "0"
post #1170 of 1791
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Originally Posted by AnnapolisSony View Post

Gadgtfreek, AVfile & bakerwi,

Thanks so much for your input. I should add that I am only going to be using my player to watch BR discs (2-D 80% of the time & 3-D 20% of the time). I will be running by player thru my AVR (Yamaha RX-A1010).

So is it fair to say that the VIDEO and AUDIO quality from BR discs will be just as good with the BDT500 as the OPPO 103?

You could also throw the Sony BDP-S790 into the mix.smile.gif
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