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post #1171 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Inspector 24 View Post

I have read every post in this thread. Yes. All 1,168 of them.

Sounds like the Panny 500 is one heck of a player and will be an improvement over my current panny BDP-605k.

But what I really want to know is how it compares to the Oppo 103. Other gear is Marantz SR7006, Sim2 D60 projector and a 106" screen. Do the experts think there would be a noticeable difference in PQ with the Oppo?

Note: Not overly concerned with audio quality, not sure I've got the gear to resolve differences between the two via HDMI or Analog connection...Polk speakers and all...Unless those more experienced think otherwise?

Thanks In Advance!!!

Ryan

Ryan,

You have heard and will continue to hear subjective comments in favor of both players. For me if me if price is not a consideration I would favor the Oppo. I have the Panasoinc in one room and a Sony BDP-S790 in another room both fine machines, but other than the subjective the Oppo overal is a superior machine (features, build quality and customer service). If you don't require all the feautures of the Oppo the Panasonic and Sony are excellent alternatives.smile.gif Also, I have yet to have disc not play in the Oppos I own and have owned, but I can also say this for the Sony and Panasonic.biggrin.gif

From one of my earlier posts. The Oppo in the photo is the BDP-93, but for a physical comparison it is the same size as the BDP-103:
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

I have the following in camp Oppo BDP-93, Sony BDP-S790 and the Panasonic DMP-BDT500. My only decision is whether or not I will keep the Sony or the Panasonic. The Oppo and Sony are in my bedroom as the wife (I could care less) enjoys streaming and the Oppo hasn't received the best apps and interfaces from some of its streaming partners. Also, I like the idea of having another player in the house that plays FLAC as I have converted almost 3,000 CDs to FLAC over the years.

I also have a legacy receiver (Denon AVR-3802 - old faithful) in my bedroom so another transport with 7.1 analog capability is also welcomed. I just popped the lid on the Panasonic this evening, but I have not set it up yet. Probably over the long weekend.



Below are a few photos showing the exterior of the three players.


Oppo on the bottom, Panasonic in the middle and Sony on top.
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Edited by bakerwi - 4/20/13 at 6:40am
post #1172 of 1791
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

You could also throw the Sony BDP-S790 into the mix.smile.gif

I've had one. Good player but the XMB is one of the worst menu systems ever.
post #1173 of 1791
^ funny ... I think its one of the best and most efficient ... Especially with multi level folders in DLNA :-)
post #1174 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Inspector 24 View Post

I have read every post in this thread. Yes. All 1,168 of them.

But what I really want to know is how it compares to the Oppo 103.

That's funny because there were several posts about this exact topic on the same page as your post. Maybe you need to forget the first 1100 posts and focus on the last 68. Also check the 220/320/500 thread and the Oppo-103 thread for what people are saying about Oppo softness on HDMI-1 output and errors on HDMI-2 in some modes.
post #1175 of 1791
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I've had one. Good player but the XMB is one of the worst menu systems ever.

I am not a big fan of the XMB menu either, but the BDP-S790 is quite good for its price point and feature set.smile.gif
post #1176 of 1791
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

That's funny because there were several posts about this exact topic on the same page as your post. Maybe you need to forget the first 1100 posts and focus on the last 68. Also check the 220/320/500 thread and the Oppo-103 thread for what people are saying about Oppo softness on HDMI-1 output and errors on HDMI-2 in some modes.

I am aware of the softness that some perceive on HDMI-1 (QDEO), but not the errors on HDMI-2 in some modes; since I use both HDMI outputs at their default settings which is what is recommended. Most find no fault with HDMI-1 and unfortunately this is the nature of the QDEO chip. I own both the BDP-103 & BDP-105, but only follow the BDP-105 thread closely.smile.gif
post #1177 of 1791
Does anyone know if this player has Cinavia in it.
post #1178 of 1791
Yes. All 2012 and beyond do
post #1179 of 1791
Anybody else have issues with audio dropouts on this player? The first time it happened, I thought it might be the disk, Disney Wow, but it has happened with other disks. Never any rhyme or reason for it, and usually if I stop the movie, and hit play again, the dropouts are still there, but go away after a few seconds. It's almost like it's a hdmi connection issue, but the picture is always fine.
post #1180 of 1791
Never had that problem.
post #1181 of 1791
rhulett, have you tried a new high quality HDMI cable? I had to change the initial HDMI cable I was using when I first connected my player because of some problems, I believe, with the video. I'd have to go back and check because I don't recall the actual problems I was having but a change of HDMI cables cured it and I have had zero problems with audio/video since. The first cable I tried was a nice looking and thick cable but it just wasn't working properly. I changed it for a good quality Belkin cable and, like I said, I have had zero problems.

Al
post #1182 of 1791
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post


Digital is Digital - Is a Panny "1'" Better than an Oppo "1"

I'll bet you can figure that out.

Do Players support different features - YES - You need to make a
BUYING Decision based on Feature Support - A "!" is a "!" and a
"0" is a "0"

I understand digital is digital. However that doesn't explain the differences Aliens pointed out between the 310 and the 500. Apparently different processing of the raw information is occurring before it's sent to the display device. Thus it stands to reason that a better player may produce a better picture.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386539/panasonic-dmp-bdt500/500_100#post_22164530
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386539/panasonic-dmp-bdt500/500_100#post_22167547

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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

That's funny because there were several posts about this exact topic on the same page as your post. Maybe you need to forget the first 1100 posts and focus on the last 68. Also check the 220/320/500 thread and the Oppo-103 thread for what people are saying about Oppo softness on HDMI-1 output and errors on HDMI-2 in some modes.

Ok, so maybe I skimmed a few. tongue.gif Any more info on that?
post #1183 of 1791
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

I am aware of the softness that some perceive on HDMI-1 (QDEO), but not the errors on HDMI-2 in some modes; since I use both HDMI outputs at their default settings which is what is recommended. Most find no fault with HDMI-1 and unfortunately this is the nature of the QDEO chip. I own both the BDP-103 & BDP-105, but only follow the BDP-105 thread closely.smile.gif


I don't want to turn this into another Oppo thread but I also follow the 105 thread and don't remember people mentioning PQ problems there. I thought the video specs were the same for both the 103 and 105.
post #1184 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Inspector 24 View Post

I understand digital is digital. However that doesn't explain the differences Aliens pointed out between the 310 and the 500. Apparently different processing of the raw information is occurring before it's sent to the display device. Thus it stands to reason that a better player may produce a better picture.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386539/panasonic-dmp-bdt500/500_100#post_22164530
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386539/panasonic-dmp-bdt500/500_100#post_22167547
500 uses a generation newer Uniphier chip than the 310.

S~
post #1185 of 1791
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

I don't want to turn this into another Oppo thread but I also follow the 105 thread and don't remember people mentioning PQ problems there. I thought the video specs were the same for both the 103 and 105.

With HDMI-1, some people are setting sharpness to +1 to compensate for some smoothing function that cannot be defeated in the QDEO chip. Some like the effect and some are bothered by it. Oppo is looking into it but their current stance is the system is performing as designed. It is a departure from the purity of the ABT chip in earlier models, and not what I would expect from a "source direct" mode.

HDMI-2 can be used to bypass the QDEO chip, but a few hardcore videophiles have found that it fails some chroma tests depending on the HDMI format used (RGB, component 4:4:4 or 4:2:2). This one seems to also depend on the display attached, as many claim not to have the problem at all. Oppo has said at one time the bug is confirmed and would be fixed in the next firmware, but that has come and gone. The Panasonic and older Oppo 83 passes all such tests as far as I know.

An American customer could always get an Oppo on a trial period and return it if not satisfied. Or you could just get the Panny for less money on Amazon and skip all that.
Edited by AVfile - 4/21/13 at 10:21pm
post #1186 of 1791
I am in the process of trying to get my Panasonic DMP BDT500 ready to calibrate the new Sharp LC-60LE845U. I have the Panny going into a Denon AVR-2113 via HDMI and then HDMI into the Sharp TV/ARC HDMI input.
I am going to use either the Disney "WOW" disk or DIGITAL VIDEO ESSENTIALS- HD BASICS. I would like to have some input as to how I should set up the Panny and if possible which calibration disc to use. I have some knowledge as to how to go through the calibration process, but before I start I want to have a little more understanding as to how to go about getting the best calibration I can get by myself. Any responses will be greatly appreciated.
I am so glad to have this forum. A long time ago I realized that there are some things that I can't do, and some things I can do, and asking people who have already done them saves a lot of time and frustration.

Thanks again:

Lyle
post #1187 of 1791
Wow is nice, has a lot of patterns. I also like spears and Munsil. I'd set the player up as 1080p, then you need to test with patterns to see how your display does with ycbcr 422 vs 444 and 60hz vs 24p.
post #1188 of 1791
Disappointed this player doesn't seem to recognize a USB keyboard. With my older Sony it was literally plug'n'play. Has anyone got a keyboard to work?
post #1189 of 1791
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Wow is nice, has a lot of patterns. I also like spears and Munsil. I'd set the player up as 1080p, then you need to test with patterns to see how your display does with ycbcr 422 vs 444 and 60hz vs 24p.

I am not well acquainted with the Panny yet. Where do I find the "ycbcr 422 and 444 and 60hz vs 24p"
I have looked at both of the discs just to get a flavor of both of them and I tend to lean toward the DVE. I think there is a Youtube on using the WOW. I might look at that too.
Thanks for the response!

Lyle
post #1190 of 1791
You have audio and video selections in the main setup menu.
post #1191 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

rhulett, have you tried a new high quality HDMI cable? I had to change the initial HDMI cable I was using when I first connected my player because of some problems, I believe, with the video. I'd have to go back and check because I don't recall the actual problems I was having but a change of HDMI cables cured it and I have had zero problems with audio/video since. The first cable I tried was a nice looking and thick cable but it just wasn't working properly. I changed it for a good quality Belkin cable and, like I said, I have had zero problems.

Al

No, but that thought did occur to me. The audio dropouts are only with Bluray, never streaming, and it only seems to happen on the start of the movie. I am running one hdmi cable directly to the tv, and another one to my receiver, maybe I have a setting wrong somewhere. Once it stops, and I can't duplicate on how to get to stop, I never have a problem with it again, that's why I wonder if it's a handshake issue.
post #1192 of 1791
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Originally Posted by rhulett View Post

No, but that thought did occur to me. The audio dropouts are only with Bluray, never streaming, and it only seems to happen on the start of the movie. I am running one hdmi cable directly to the tv, and another one to my receiver, maybe I have a setting wrong somewhere. Once it stops, and I can't duplicate on how to get to stop, I never have a problem with it again, that's why I wonder if it's a handshake issue.

Well, I'm connected directly to my TV also and using 5.1 Analog Audio outputs to my receiver so, now that I think about it, my problem with the HDMI cable was with the video.

The first thing that comes to mind is the "Deep Color Output". Make sure it's turned off. It's debatable whether or not this setting makes any difference but I would turn it off anyway.

It could be a handshake issue with your receiver. Have you ran a search for handshake issues with your reciever?

I would try a different HDMI cable if you have one and/or try a different input on your AVR if you can.

As far as other settings in the player go, I'm using analog and I haven't tried it any other way. If you don't have the video turned off for the HDMI (SUB) that goes to your reciever you could do that but I don't know if it would help. You can also turn off the audio for the HDMI going to the TV.

Someone else can help you out much more than I can because of my lack of experience with these players and HT in general so you can take these suggestions for what they're worth. I hope you get it straightened out so you can enjoy it instead of messing with it.

Al
post #1193 of 1791
In regards to audio dropouts with blu-ray movies - before blaming the player, check to see if the movie itself has a known issue. Case in point: the new Total Recall. Huge discussion on here about it! Also, it appears movies using Dolby TrueHD are having audio dropout issues when Bitstream is used. Going to LPCM is the work around for now.

Even on the old HD DVD, Dolby TrueHD had the same problems.
post #1194 of 1791
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

You have audio and video selections in the main setup menu.

Thanks for the response. I will use the info..............
Now to gather the time to get this done. I have had the set since last September, so it should be broken in by now.

Lyle
post #1195 of 1791
Is it possible to play MKV on 24p with the BDT500?I have an P50VT50 TV and the BDT500 sends an 60hz signal out instead of 24p. When i put the same USB stick in my good old WDTV live, 24p is showed well..
post #1196 of 1791
Thanks for tips and tricks guys, I will try those and see if they make a difference. It isn't the movie, as it happens on more than one, although I don't remember it being a problem at all when first getting the player. Disney's WOW disk was the first thing I noticed it on, but have noticed it on other disks since then. It may be something to do with a sound format and bitstream.
post #1197 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Inspector 24 View Post

I have read every post in this thread. Yes. All 1,168 of them.

Sounds like the Panny 500 is one heck of a player and will be an improvement over my current panny BDP-605k.

But what I really want to know is how it compares to the Oppo 103. Other gear is Marantz SR7006, Sim2 D60 projector and a 106" screen. Do the experts think there would be a noticeable difference in PQ with the Oppo?

Note: Not overly concerned with audio quality, not sure I've got the gear to resolve differences between the two via HDMI or Analog connection...Polk speakers and all...Unless those more experienced think otherwise?

Thanks In Advance!!!

Ryan


I had both players not long ago. I returned the oppo and kept the panny. That was my first oppo and IMO overrated! I buy a blu-ray player strictly for movies/FLAC and in that regard, the panny was superior to the oppo. The panny 500 also has great audio via analog, FLAC files sound really good. I am extremely happy with the panny and every time I use it, I know I made the right choice.
Edited by rocktober - 4/24/13 at 3:28pm
post #1198 of 1791
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Originally Posted by rocktober View Post

I had both players not long ago. I returned the oppo and kept the panny. That was my first oppo and IMO overrated! I buy a blu-ray player strictly for movies/FLAC and in that regard, the panny was superior to the oppo. The panny 500 also has great audio via analog, FLAC files sound really good. I am extremely happy with the panny and every time I use it, I know I made the right choice.

+1
post #1199 of 1791
The SDHC card slot in front is great too! Pulled the card out of my camera, plugged it in and and enjoyed a long slide show of high quality pictures taken from a cheapie digital camera at the races. Much better and easier than viewing with the computer and same HDTV display. Skype usb camera port in back. If only it made coffee haha.
post #1200 of 1791
Yesterday I tried to play mp3s stored on one of my sd-cards and to my surprise Panasonic menu does not seem to provide option for playing audio files from sd-card slot, only front usb.

Do I really need to use usb adapter for this having working sd card slot on a side?

Or am I missing something?
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