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post #1321 of 1791
Sure there are fiddly things, but the 2 main reasons I'll be returning this tomorrow:

No 'Menu' button on the remote at least not that work on a DVD. Haven't tried a BD, but I have a lot more DVD right now.

If there is a way to properly set up the analog 5.1/7.1 I don't know what it is. The AVR only has one setting to enable it Ext. In. No other options. I can't imagine Denon felt the need to provide 7.1 analog inputs but made it so the tracks bleed into each other. If there is a setting on the Panny that can fix it, I don't know what.

Since it's awkward to use and the premium feature of analog outputs is useless, I'll either pass on BD for now or get a Sony and settle for optical audio -out until I replace the AVR. The Sonys seems to be better liked, but that'll take some more reading to be sure.

Edit: Never mind, found one more bad thing about this player tonight. It's going back. Edited previous rant post.
Edited by DoctorM - 8/19/13 at 8:30pm
post #1322 of 1791
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Sure there are fiddly things, but the 2 main reasons I'll be returning this tomorrow:

No 'Menu' button on the remote at least not that work on a DVD. Haven't tried a BD, but I have a lot more DVD right now.

If there is a way to properly set up the analog 5.1/7.1 I don't know what it is. The AVR only has one setting to enable it Ext. In. No other options. I can't imagine Denon felt the need to provide 7.1 analog inputs but made it so the tracks bleed into each other. If there is a setting on the Panny that can fix it, I don't know what.

Since it's awkward to use and the premium feature of analog outputs is useless, I'll either pass on BD for now or get a Sony and settle for optical audio -out until I replace the AVR. The Sonys seems to be better liked, but that'll take some more reading to be sure.

Edit: Never mind, found one more bad thing about this player tonight. It's going back. Edited previous rant post.

My DMP-BDT500 resides in my bedroom setup so I can tolerate the deficiencies (which I became aware of when setting it up in my bedroom) of the analog implementation since it I will never have a need to use it my main setup. Panasonic talked up the 32 bit DACs, but the implementation is definitely lacking. I think I’ve only read where one other poster talked about these shortcomings as many seem to be ok with the implementation or don’t know that there is a deficiency in the implementation.

I have heard these DACs implemented in other blu-ray players and AVR/PrePros and there is a difference, but for its price it is not a bad compromise depending on expectations. I personally wasn’t expecting a whole lot regardless that it had 32 bit DACs. You CAN’T implement DACs at this price point without making some concessions in my opinion and concessions were made.
post #1323 of 1791
So I started thinking like the chimps that built these units today and figured out that the problem with the analog audio was obviously because of a setting under digital audio.

For future adventurers:

In order to get 5.1/7.1 audio to properly work, go to the Setup/Audio/Digital Audio menu. Set Dolby and DTS to PCM (not bitstream).

While it seems obvious that DD and DTS can't be streamed across analog cabling (which ALWAYS receive PCM audio), Panasonic didn't see it that way.
If you set bitstream, the 7.1 outputs will give you a 3.0 downmix. If you set PCM, the 7.1 outputs will work fine, but digital output lines will now only have 2-channel sound.

Seriously, if you want to use both the analog and digital outputs, you are screwed.

If your AVR cannot properly handle analog inputs (MANY cannot), do not get this. Seriously, check if you have bass management and that the distance/level settings actually effect analog multi channel input. (My old Denon seemed to).

The Panasonic control of these functions is poor. You must figure the 'delay' in ms with some math equation not given to you. My tuner just asks for the distance in feet or meters.

There is no way to test the LFE level when you're checking the speakers. You can still adjust the dbs... you just have to randomly guess a number.

Also, if you have small front speakers, your bass level can never be accurate because you will be boosting L/R/C low frequencies when you crank up your subwoofer to compensate for a soft LFE line level.

You'll probably also have to mess up your other system components when you are trying to get this right.

So, the point of analog outputs are to get lossless audio on older systems, but unless your system can handle analog properly to start with, your system will be miscalibrated and inaccurate. So what was the point again?

Yup, useless overhyped feature. I haven't tried the Oppos, but I don't think they are this incompetent. It'll be your only option.
I'll say it again, price vs useful features vs functionality, this BD player is unsuitable to any consumer.

If you must get a Panasonic get the DMP-BDT220. It has all the features that actually work, without the awful touchpad remote.
Newer models may vary...
post #1324 of 1791
Great advice. Thank you. I just use my DMP BDT-500 only for my Blue Rays, BD Live and possible Netflix or other type services. I don't use any of the audio settings in the player. I let my pre-amp do all the audio coding.

Take care and have a great summer.smile.gif
post #1325 of 1791
It must be better to let the TV handle picture settings instead of the BD-player, mustn't it? That is, if I select "True Cinema" on my Panasonic TV, isn't that enough? Won't it be too much should I set my BDT-500 also on Cinema?

If I'm right, I guess "normal" would be the best setting får the BD-player.
post #1326 of 1791
If your using a receiver/pre-amp, I'd set it to Through and let the BD player handle all the video coding to be sent straight to the monitor. I have the same BD player and it handles Blu-ray's and DVD's excellently. Even in B&W.
post #1327 of 1791
I am using a Denon AVR-X2000. Right now I've set my Plasma-TV on True Cinema and the receiver's picture handling to "off". I have, however, set my receiver to upscale everything to 1080p.

My BD-player is set to "normal". Would changing anything actually make a difference? (After all, the signal from the player ought to be pretty good?)
post #1328 of 1791
Does the 500 have any kind of volume control, specifically for the media renderer function using 2-ch stereo output? I'm trying to figure out if the control app (BubbleUPnP) I'm planning to use will control volume on the 500. As far as I can tell, Bubble has a volume control but it only works if the renderer also has a volume control (I think?).

This would be specifically for audio files.
post #1329 of 1791
That's a good question. I'd experiment with different settings in the daytime and night time to see which you prefer the best. Every room lighting is different.
post #1330 of 1791
There is no volume control on the player. I adjust the volume through my pre-amp. But if your connecting your player straight to your TV with no receiver or pre-amp in between, you would use your TV's volume control. The player has a TV volume button on the top of the remote. Though the remote really sucks in performance. For under $10.00, you can get a new remote for the 220 version of Panasonic blue ray playre: N2QAYB00719 is the model number. This remote works perfectly with the 500. I hope this helps.
post #1331 of 1791
Thanks, that's what I figured. I'll use HDMI for the TV, but for audio I currently use a DAC with a volume control hooked to an amplifier. I'm going to sell the DAC, this just means I'll either get a preamp or sell the amp and replace with a receiver.
post #1332 of 1791
Depending on your budget and how you use your player either for movies or both movies and music, I would recommend you going with a pre-amp and amp setup. Having separate units will produce a higher quality of sound and you'll have less of a chance of getting any equipment hum. Not saying a receiver is bad but in a receiver, they cram so much technology in it that they have to end up cutting corners and that's where you may lose some of your movie and musical details and depth. Just look at the size of a receiver and then compare it with the size of an amp. Now try to visualize putting that entire amp inside your receiver including independent audio channels whether it be a 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 etc. There's no room. You will have to cut corners an eliminate all the individual channels and put them on a small pcb board and decrease the size of the transformer.

So, if your a neurotic audiophile like me and demands the very best in audio quality, then I would go the separate route then have everything shoved into one unit. But that's only if you have some extra cash laying around. And a separate amp is a great investment. If you take care of them, they'll out live you and your equipment. You just need to change the pre-amp once every 5 or so years as new technology emerges but you can still use the same amp with any pre-amp that you purchase through-out your lifetime. As long as you stay in the 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 etc. realm and as long as the amp has all those independent channels for future use.
post #1333 of 1791
Well said john!
post #1334 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Sveost View Post

It must be better to let the TV handle picture settings instead of the BD-player, mustn't it? That is, if I select "True Cinema" on my Panasonic TV, isn't that enough? Won't it be too much should I set my BDT-500 also on Cinema?

If I'm right, I guess "normal" would be the best setting får the BD-player.

Yes - Normal with all other settings at factory default produces a very neutral image. 5 days ago I posted this:

"For the video I ended up using factory default settings. Super Resolution is at 1 and only affects DVD, Everything else 0 or OFF. I had to do a lot of tests with test patterns and one animated movie to check for artifacts and see what settings were best for the TV. It (also Panasonic plasma) ended up preferring the "RGB Standard" HDMI output mode. Best picture I ever saw!"
Edited by AVfile - 8/24/13 at 8:30am
post #1335 of 1791
Agreed. 100 %. I have receivers in my family room and bedroom, but in the HT separates. I still have a Rotel from quite a while back that still works. Not using it now, traded it out for Lexicon 7.1. I have a paraound 7.1 in the game room (5 + 2).

S~
post #1336 of 1791
Thanks guys. I'll see what the budget allows.
post #1337 of 1791
I found out what my VT50's color specks were and changed my 500's color specks to the same which was 4:4:4 instead of the different RGB settings they offer. I hope I'm not confusing anyone here. smile.gif
post #1338 of 1791
I was wanting to purchase this player for a while now and today at Fry's I saw it for $149. I had already purchased a Sony BDP-BX510 earlier in the day which I am happy with so I had to walk away!!!
post #1339 of 1791
Thanks, AVFile.
post #1340 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Cigarjohn47 View Post

I found out what my VT50's color specks were and changed my 500's color specks to the same which was 4:4:4 instead of the different RGB settings they offer. I hope I'm not confusing anyone here. smile.gif

The TV will detect which format is being sent from the player during the HDMI handshake and match it. Barring major firmware bugs, any format should "work". If not you would get a pink screen or some other nasty effect!

What I did is study the chromaburst patterns on the Spears&Munsil calibration blu-ray, and cue up a dark scene from the Disney Pixar Blu-ray Ratatouille and look for blocking artifacts. It turned out that my wife's Panasonic PZ80 plasma TV only worked properly in RGB Standard and with all other picture settings in the player left at default. There were missing chroma bursts when using YCbCr format, some of which would re-appear when I adjusted other video settings in the player. My other displays didn't have this serious a problem so I just tried to settle on the format that looked best in the Ratatouille dark scene. In one system it made no difference at all.
post #1341 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Cigarjohn47 View Post

I found out what my VT50's color specks were and changed my 500's color specks to the same which was 4:4:4 instead of the different RGB settings they offer. I hope I'm not confusing anyone here. smile.gif

I think I get it. FWIW, Id send a VT50 1080p ycbcr 444 and turn Pure Direct On.
post #1342 of 1791
Just got a BDT500 to use its multichannel into my Aragon Stage One. Toggling back and forth between DD5.1 and 8ch in I note two differences. But mostly they sound equally good to me so I'm happy. Now some of the disks that I get through Netflix will play better.

The 2 differences are
  1. DD5.1 seems louder.
  2. multi-channel has less low frequency rumble.

Any way to recover some of the LFE mojo through multi-channel?
post #1343 of 1791
It's all about bass management and how it is set up in the Aragon vs. Panny, unless you have 5 identical full-range speakers.
post #1344 of 1791
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

It's all about bass management and how it is set up in the Aragon vs. Panny, unless you have 5 identical full-range speakers.

The Aragon does analog bass management, somehow which I don't completely understand, and it also does level setting. So I just cranked the subwoofer level for now. Weekend project to figure out the proper way to do it.
post #1345 of 1791
It must digitize the 8 analog inputs then. In that case all speakers should be set to "large" in the Panny and levels zeroed to avoid double bass-management.

If it has a pure analog bypass mode for the 8 inputs and you want to try that, then you have to do bass management in the Panny.

Note that either way there will be differences in the overall volume levels between analog and digital, and also bitstream vs. PCM and the various lossless codecs so it is difficult to perform a fair comparison without careful level matching. Just to confuse matterns more, the different inputs and audio modes on the preamp might have different volume trims applied too.
Edited by AVfile - 9/12/13 at 1:21pm
post #1346 of 1791
Hello everyone,

I am the happy owner of the BDT500 bluray player since a couple of weeks.

However here is my problem : I usually turn the player off with the remote control but the last i used it i turned it off using the button on the player, which made a long bip and then showed on the screen " no disc... Please wait... Bye ". When i turn it off via the remote it doesn´t say "no disc"

Now i didn't pay much attention before, but i think the "no disc" message didn't appear when i turned it off via the player before.

Do you guys player's show the same thing ?
If not why do i have this message ? I have tried the factory settings but it doesn´t change anything.

Thanks a lot smile.gif
post #1347 of 1791
Thanks for the detailed info. I was wrong - there's no analog bass management on the 8ch in.
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

It must digitize the 8 analog inputs then. In that case all speakers should be set to "large" in the Panny and levels zeroed to avoid double bass-management.

No, doesn't have that. I was wrong about that. At least, not for the 8ch in. It does do that for stereo inputs, though, without digitizing, I think.
Quote:
If it has a pure analog bypass mode for the 8 inputs and you want to try that, then you have to do bass management in the Panny. .

That one is a pure passthrough that allows per channel level setting. I think I'm doing it correctly now by accident. All speakers set to small in the Panny, just trims set in the Aragon.

We're all assuming that the crossover in the Panny is set to 80?
post #1348 of 1791
That is a good question. I've never even looked into using the Panny crossovers. I assume you have the sub enabled. You will also need to set the speaker distances.
post #1349 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Blutaz View Post

However here is my problem : I usually turn the player off with the remote control but the last i used it i turned it off using the button on the player, which made a long bip and then showed on the screen " no disc... Please wait... Bye ". When i turn it off via the remote it doesn´t say "no disc"

Now i didn't pay much attention before, but i think the "no disc" message didn't appear when i turned it off via the player before.

Do you guys player's show the same thing ?
If not why do i have this message ?

I get those messages only on the front panel display, regardless how I turn it off. The screen goes black the instant I touch the buttons. I have QuickStart enabled. I am using a Panasonic TV.

Is this causing a real problem?
post #1350 of 1791
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I get those messages only on the front panel display, regardless how I turn it off. The screen goes black the instant I touch the buttons. I have QuickStart enabled. I am using a Panasonic TV.

Is this causing a real problem?

I checked and I also get them when using the remote.
Its not causing any problem but im pretty sure it didnt appear before. Also i asked on another forum and someone told me that their's didn't show the no disc message. I dont have QuickStart enabled.
Could it have something to do with the firmware ?
Another thing when i turn it on i get "read no disc " you too ?
Thanks
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