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post #331 of 1215
5/27/12 at 6:22pm
Is there a secret to playing FLAC files? I've tried using a flash drive and a 1TB drive with no luck.

I navigate to Music, then USB and a screen pops up but quickly disappears. This is repeatable.

Does the USB port on the player have to be setup to accept FLAC files?
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post #332 of 1215
5/27/12 at 6:59pm
I'm new here and this is my first post. I hope I am following protocol, if not, please guide me accordingly.

I just got the DMP BDT500P and watched a movie on it to test. Loved it. Then I found a problem. I am new at this and mistakenly thought that with two HDMI outputs, I would be able to put one on my old Hitachi rear projection tv and the sub on my brand new Epson 3010. I watched the first movie (2d) fine. But then I went to play a 3D movie, and it would not since I had a 2D device (Hitachi) attached. No problem. I disconnected it.

As soon as I disconnect the Hitachi, my Epson projector loses connection as well. The only thing I can do is power down. But if I reconnect the Hitachi TV, the projector will come back on. I ran a firmware update hoping that it would fix the problem, but to no avail.

I checked through the Viera link info in the manual, as well as turning the sub to V-off, but nothing. The projector will not work unless the Hitachi is connected. The Hitachi WILL work fine without the Epson being attached.

Any ideas?

Thanks!
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post #333 of 1215
5/27/12 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Is there a secret to playing FLAC files? I've tried using a flash drive and a 1TB drive with no luck.

I navigate to Music, then USB and a screen pops up but quickly disappears. This is repeatable.

Does the USB port on the player have to be setup to accept FLAC files?

Flac plays fine on my player. I was having problem with 192/24 bit but it was my Anthem. Setup and connections?
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post #334 of 1215
5/27/12 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by Shindig710 View Post

I'm new here and this is my first post. I hope I am following protocol, if not, please guide me accordingly.

I just got the DMP BDT500P and watched a movie on it to test. Loved it. Then I found a problem. I am new at this and mistakenly thought that with two HDMI outputs, I would be able to put one on my old Hitachi rear projection tv and the sub on my brand new Epson 3010. I watched the first movie (2d) fine. But then I went to play a 3D movie, and it would not since I had a 2D device (Hitachi) attached. No problem. I disconnected it.

As soon as I disconnect the Hitachi, my Epson projector loses connection as well. The only thing I can do is power down. But if I reconnect the Hitachi TV, the projector will come back on. I ran a firmware update hoping that it would fix the problem, but to no avail.

I checked through the Viera link info in the manual, as well as turning the sub to V-off, but nothing. The projector will not work unless the Hitachi is connected. The Hitachi WILL work fine without the Epson being attached.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

I would try powering everything down. Connect the Epson to the HDMI main and power up the projector first. Then power up the 500. Unless the Epson has an issue with handshaking using 3D discs this should work. If it doesn't try posting your question in the 3010 forum to see if any other 3010 users have had issues.
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post #335 of 1215
5/28/12 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by Clark Burk View Post

I would try powering everything down. Connect the Epson to the HDMI main and power up the projector first. Then power up the 500. Unless the Epson has an issue with handshaking using 3D discs this should work. If it doesn't try posting your question in the 3010 forum to see if any other 3010 users have had issues.

Thank you for the response. I stepped through the entire process you outlined once again to be sure, but it did not come up. I later disconnected both the Hitachi and the Epson, then connected the RCA video out to the Hitachi with no HDMI and did a full factory reset (now that I could see what I was doing). I then tried the Epson on the HDMI MAIN with the same steps you outlined: nothing. But at least I had the monitor to see what was going on.

I then transferred the HDMI over to the SUB and after a few moments I finally had video to the projector, but it keeps cutting out for a few seconds every five minutes or so. I was also able to play a 3D Blu-ray (and it was stunning)!

One other note: this does not happen when I connect it to my std DVD player. There are no issues with that player and HDMI connection. It is a 25 ft cable, and I thought that there might be an issue with it, but it works fine with the $80 dvd player. Also, I tried to return the HDMI to the MAIN and still got no picture, but was able to put it back into SUB and got results as before. Even on the menu, it will blink out every few minutes.

I am open to suggestions!
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post #336 of 1215
5/28/12 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by shindig710 View Post


i just got the dmp bdt500p and watched a movie on it to test. Loved it. Then i found a problem. I am new at this and mistakenly thought that with two hdmi outputs, i would be able to put one on my old hitachi rear projection tv and the sub on my brand new epson 3010.

Thanks!

That is not the way it is intended to work

Dual HDMI is for ONE PURPOSE ONLY.
It is to supply 3D direct to a PJ when your AVR is not 3D Compatible.
The SUB HDMI is for Hi-Def Audio to your AVR.
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post #337 of 1215
5/28/12 at 6:44am
I know that you have the 790, but this is a sweet player. The only major issue that I am having as of now is netFlix lipsync but there is a work around until they fix it.
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post #338 of 1215
5/28/12 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Dual HDMI is for ONE PURPOSE ONLY.
It is to supply 3D direct to a PJ when your AVR is not 3D Compatible.
The SUB HDMI is for Hi-Def Audio to your AVR.

And yet it will not play 3D if there is a non 3D component connected to it. I received video off of both ports fine, it is just that the projector received no connection once the TV was either shut off or disconnected. Obviously, I have learned that I will not attempt to put them both on this unit again. I was under the mistaken impression that I would be able to select the output through a menu.

I am leaving the TV out of the mix now that it is 'semi' working. Now I have the other issue posted above.

Thanks!
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post #339 of 1215
5/28/12 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by Shindig710 View Post

Dual HDMI is for ONE PURPOSE ONLY.
It is to supply 3D direct to a PJ when your AVR is not 3D Compatible.
The SUB HDMI is for Hi-Def Audio to your AVR.

And yet it will not play 3D if there is a non 3D component connected to it. I received video off of both ports fine, it is just that the projector received no connection once the TV was either shut off or disconnected. Obviously, I have learned that I will not attempt to put them both on this unit again.

I am leaving the TV out of the mix now that it is 'semi' working. Now I have the other issue posted above.

Thanks!

I GAVE you The CORRECT ANSWER - either ACCEPT it or Ignore it
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post #340 of 1215
5/28/12 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by Shindig710 View Post

Thank you for the response. I stepped through the entire process you outlined once again to be sure, but it did not come up. I later disconnected both the Hitachi and the Epson, then connected the RCA video out to the Hitachi with no HDMI and did a full factory reset (now that I could see what I was doing). I then tried the Epson on the HDMI MAIN with the same steps you outlined: nothing. But at least I had the monitor to see what was going on.

I then transferred the HDMI over to the SUB and after a few moments I finally had video to the projector, but it keeps cutting out for a few seconds every five minutes or so. I was also able to play a 3D Blu-ray (and it was stunning)!

One other note: this does not happen when I connect it to my std DVD player. There are no issues with that player and HDMI connection. It is a 25 ft cable, and I thought that there might be an issue with it, but it works fine with the $80 dvd player. Also, I tried to return the HDMI to the MAIN and still got no picture, but was able to put it back into SUB and got results as before. Even on the menu, it will blink out every few minutes.

I am open to suggestions!

I think you just nailed the problem. A 25ft HDMI run requires a very good cable even for normal 2D signals. 3D requires even more bandwidth which is why your signal is cutting out.
I think you need to contact a cable place such as Blue Jeans Cable and tell them what your trying to do and see if they can recommend a cable that may work. If you have a shorter cable around 6-8ft try that as a test and see if the signal holds up. If it does you've found your problem
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post #341 of 1215
5/28/12 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Playing FLAC files
Is there a secret to playing FLAC files? I've tried using a flash drive and a 1TB drive with no luck.

I navigate to Music, then USB and a screen pops up but quickly disappears. This is repeatable.

Does the USB port on the player have to be setup to accept FLAC files?

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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Flac plays fine on my player. I was having problem with 192/24 bit but it was my Anthem. Setup and connections?

Agreed that it's likely his *AVR* settings (if that's what you mean by "setup") as the 1st thing to check.

BTW 2L has a sizable set of *quality* free hi-rez flac files (samplers, but adequately long and not just super short stuff) in both stereo and 5.1 with mainly 96/24 format but also some 192/24. I've used the 96/24 and know that they work with the 500 player.
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post #342 of 1215
5/28/12 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Clark Burk View Post

I think you just nailed the problem. A 25ft HDMI run requires a very good cable even for normal 2D signals. 3D requires even more bandwidth which is why your signal is cutting out.
I think you need to contact a cable place such as Blue Jeans Cable and tell them what your trying to do and see if they can recommend a cable that may work. If you have a shorter cable around 6-8ft try that as a test and see if the signal holds up. If it does you've found your problem

You are probably correct. I had assumed that since it worked well with the dvd player that it was not the issue, but if the blu-ray is demanding more throughput and the cable can't handle it, that could be the core of the issue.

I don't have the option to try a shorter cable at the moment, but as soon as I can acquire one, that will be my next test.

Thanks!
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post #343 of 1215
5/28/12 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by OtherSongs View Post

Agreed that it's likely his *AVR* settings (if that's what you mean by "setup") as the 1st thing to check.

BTW 2L has a sizable set of *quality* free hi-rez flac files (samplers, but adequately long and not just super short stuff) in both stereo and 5.1 with mainly 96/24 format but also some 192/24. I've used the 96/24 and know that they work with the 500 player.

I have an Oppo 95 and it played fine on my Anthem but not on the 500. I think that the Oppo was down converting the file. I had to changed the settings in the Anthem to play 192/24 bit. When I played Flac 192/24 bit from my 500, it played fine after changing the settings on the Anthem.

I think that some members on AVS use Oppo as a reference player, and if it played on the Oppo, then it must be reference. Well Flac 192/24 bit did not played on the 500 because of Anthem ARC (bug in software) and it played on the Oppo but I was not getting 192/24 bit.


Edit: After talking Oppo today plays 192/24 bit correctly. The bug is in the Anthem.
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post #344 of 1215
5/28/12 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

I have an Oppo 95 and it played fine on my Anthem but not on the 500. I think that the Oppo was down converting the file. I had to changed the settings in the Anthem to play 192/24 bit. When I played Flac 192/24 bit from my 500, it played fine after changing the settings on the Anthem.

I think that some members on AVS use Oppo as a reference player, and if it played on the Oppo, then it must be reference. Well Flac 192/24 bit did not played on the 500 because of Anthem ARC (bug in software) and it played on the Oppo but I was not getting 192/24 bit.

Interesting comments, thanks.

One key thing to like about owning an OPPO blu-ray player, is that you can get through to a support person on the phone and have a chance of getting an intelligent answer on the spot.

I suggest that you call them about what the 95 player actually does do when it players a 192/24 file file.

BTW how does SQ via the 7.1 analog RCA outs on the Panasonic 500 compare to the OPPO 95?

Is the 95 really worth the extra money?
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post #345 of 1215
5/28/12 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

I have an Oppo 95 and it played fine on my Anthem but not on the 500. I think that the Oppo was down converting the file. I had to changed the settings in the Anthem to play 192/24 bit. When I played Flac 192/24 bit from my 500, it played fine after changing the settings on the Anthem.

I think that some members on AVS use Oppo as a reference player, and if it played on the Oppo, then it must be reference. Well Flac 192/24 bit did not played on the 500 because of Anthem ARC (bug in software) and it played on the Oppo but I was not getting 192/24 bit.

192/24 plays fine on my Anthem/95, as you look on the screen you see 192/24 and there is also an extra two clicks from say 96/24 files. If its down converting whats it down converting to? Is this via the Anthems analog/dsp analog connections or hdmi?
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post #346 of 1215
5/28/12 at 11:32am
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192/24 plays fine on my anthem/95, as you look on the screen you see 192/24 and there is also an extra two clicks from say 96/24 files. If its down converting whats it down converting to? Is this via the anthems analog/dsp analog connections or hdmi?


Flac files on USB. Where is it displayed on Oppo or Anthem? MRX receives it as PCM 2.0 only 96/24 on 500 not 192/24 with ARC on (if ARC off plays fine on 500). I am not the first to report this issue. I don't understand why was the Oppo able to play the 192/24 unless down converting( I am not sure if possible). Both players played 96/24 with ARC on.

HDMI>>>MRX 700. I also use zone 2 for analog to avoid the dig, listen to the DAC and played fine there.

Flac files are from HDTracks.

Edit: After talking Oppo today plays 192/24 bit correctly. The bug is in the Anthem.
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post #347 of 1215
5/28/12 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

hdmi

Hmm! do you get the same result with 95 using the analog outs? My Avm20 doesn't have hdmi or arc but I do have to go in and set the A/D out to 48hz or lower to get the Anthem's dsp settings to either produce sound or not produce a "harsh" sound when I want to add subwoofer for 2/ch music or surround to Netflix. The Avm20 A/D only has output to 96 and if I understand the correctly yours can out put up to 192? Have you tried the Hirez files with analog outs on the 95 with the A/D set to 192 on the Anthem in the Analog/direct mode? The dynamic range via the Sabre dac's can be staggering on well recorded 88,176 or 192hz files
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post #348 of 1215
5/28/12 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Hmm! do you get the same result with 95 using the analog outs? My Avm20 doesn't have hdmi or arc but I do have to go in and set the A/D out to 48hz or lower to get the Anthem's dsp settings to either produce sound or not produce a "harsh" sound when I want to add subwoofer for 2/ch music or surround to Netflix. The Avm20 A/D only has output to 96 and if I understand the correctly yours can out put up to 192? Have you tried the Hirez files with analog outs on the 95 with the A/D set to 192 on the Anthem in the Analog/direct mode? The dynamic range via the Sabre dac's can be staggering on well recorded 88,176 or 192hz files

All of this is in stereo mode 2.0

Analog plays fine 95 and 500(only listen in 2 ch)

MRX 700 does 192hz/24bit HDMI

This is my second player that does Flac, so I never had to question what Hirez files the Oppo was playing. It took me about two hours to realize that it was the Anthem. I can see that the MRX is getting the signal but not playing the files from the 500 (all 192/24 files).

Edit: After talking Oppo today plays 192/24 bit correctly. The bug is in the Anthem.
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post #349 of 1215
5/28/12 at 12:24pm
Hi, i picked up one of these today, the sound and pic via hdmi is brilliant with blu rays, i'm really liking it.

Out of curiosity thought i would try the 5.1 analogue outs and after a lot of trouble i still can't get them to work, i only get downmixed 2 channel with no signal from the other channels. Its on latest firmware 1.31. Anyone else had this problem? Before i take it back would like to try any other solutions that you guys can think of...


EDIT: well got analogue to work finaly by turning off hdmi audio out. There was no mention of this in the manual. It also means no quick A/B comparison between hdmi and analogue. Now that analogues are working the problem is using the players test tones adjusting db level has zero effect, any ideas?
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post #350 of 1215
5/28/12 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by MI55ION View Post

Hi, i picked up one of these today, the sound and pic via hdmi is brilliant with blu rays, i'm really liking it.

Out of curiosity thought i would try the 5.1 analogue outs and after a lot of trouble i still can't get them to work, i only get downmixed 2 channel with no signal from the other channels. Its on latest firmware 1.31. Anyone else had this problem? Before i take it back would like to try any other solutions that you guys can think of...


EDIT: well got analogue to work finaly by turning off hdmi audio out. There was no mention of this in the manual. It also means no quick A/B comparison between hdmi and analogue. Now that analogues are working the problem is using the players test tones adjusting db level has zero effect, any ideas?

page 29 but confusing
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post #351 of 1215
5/28/12 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by OtherSongs View Post

The audio improvements are likely only with the 5.1/7.1 RCA outs; I rather doubt that there's any improvement with audio via the HDMI cable.



Ha ha.

Buy one yourself from a vendor that has a great return policy?



I'm planning on using the analog outs in my home office so that is of importance to me. In fact, unless you just want a metal chassis, the 500 should be overkill for most people. This is Panny's answer to the Oppo 95 and a couple of other units that boast improved analog audio. There shouldn't be much difference over HDMI than the 320 or even the 220.
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post #352 of 1215
5/28/12 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by MI55ION View Post

Hi, i picked up one of these today, the sound and pic via hdmi is brilliant with blu rays, i'm really liking it.

Out of curiosity thought i would try the 5.1 analogue outs and after a lot of trouble i still can't get them to work, i only get downmixed 2 channel with no signal from the other channels. Its on latest firmware 1.31. Anyone else had this problem? Before i take it back would like to try any other solutions that you guys can think of...


EDIT: well got analogue to work finaly by turning off hdmi audio out. There was no mention of this in the manual. It also means no quick A/B comparison between hdmi and analogue. Now that analogues are working the problem is using the players test tones adjusting db level has zero effect, any ideas?

I had the same problem, you have to record the db difference on paper and enter them in when your out of the test tone mode,also there is no subwoofer test tone.Clearly Panasonic needs to employ engineers with common sense. The whole setup gui is a mess.I've never had so much trouble setting a player up.Once set up the video and audio are stellar.
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post #353 of 1215
5/28/12 at 4:58pm
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I had the same problem, you have to record the db difference on paper and enter them in when your out of the test tone mode,also there is no subwoofer test tone.Clearly Panasonic needs to employ engineers with common sense. The whole setup gui is a mess.I've never had so much trouble setting a player up.Once set up the video and audio are stellar.

I forgot to mention, you have to click on the speaker icon and the graphic of the speaker changes size.You have to set your speakers to small to get lfe to the subwoofer.
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post #354 of 1215
5/28/12 at 5:33pm
Hey Brian Hd, you need to be more specific, there's nothing i could find.

Thanks Chuckg1, I'll give that a try tomorrow, too exhausted by all this. You're right about the designers, something went seriously wrong with the whole setup process. I suppose that's what happens when they churn out a different model each year, too caught up in the features race to really polish up on the existing models. The bass management and speaker setups are a joke, if I'm having this much problem joe public don't stand a chance.
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post #355 of 1215
5/28/12 at 5:44pm
On a positive note, LPCM via hdmi is sounding better than anything I've heard before from other players. My processor only accepts LPCM and is quite fussy on low jitter player output. They match really well, the sound appears to have more layers to it and the timing is spot on. A bit cliched but i even heard subtle sounds that were previously masked on some of my reference material. The digital tube sound modes appear to do more harm than good so I gave up on them prefering straight unadulterated LPCM.
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post #356 of 1215
5/28/12 at 6:03pm
Mission,

Sorry! I hope that this is helpful. Enjoy your player and have fun setting it up. It took me 2 hours to discover why I could not play Flac 192/24. It is a bug in my AVR.

Page 14 with the analog. I know that it is confusing.


Cable connections
A Front speaker (L/R)
B Surround speaker (L/R)
C Center speaker
D Subwoofer
E Surround back speaker (L/R)
(Only for 7.1ch AUDIO OUT)
≥ Set the “Analog Audio Output” to “7.1ch” or “2ch (Downmix) + 5.1ch”, depending on the used terminal ( 30).
≥ You can set the “Analog Audio Output” from the easy setting ( 14).
≥ When connecting equipment with HDMI AV OUT terminal, set “HDMI Audio Output” to “Off” .
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post #357 of 1215
5/29/12 at 4:35am
I'm still trying to locate the setting or method for enabling 2D-3D conversion on my 500. I've got it's HDMI connected directly to my Laservue (Mitsubishi DLP with 3D set to "checkerboard"), and while 3D content plays as expected, I do not appear to have any 2D-3D settings in any of the player's menus.

I realize that the conversion is "marginal" at best, however I am trying to verify that all advertised features are functioning.

This isn't my first 3D rodeo, buy it is my first player with the ability to convert content.

Also, the player will not output any native 3D content from VUDU, starting that it isn't connected to a 3D capable display.

The player is connected directly to the display, and 3D Blu-Ray had no issue?!

Do I need to throw my (unused) Mitsubishi 3D first conversion module into the mix and set the player to output "full"?

Has anyone run into this? Any clue?

Thanks
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post #358 of 1215
5/29/12 at 6:47am
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How did you get BB match Amazon price? When I asked them, they said, BB does not match online prices only locals.

This really depends on the particular BB. I have never had them refuse to price match when I have brought in a copy of the web page from Amazon and the price is from Amazon directly and not one of their marketers. This will show as Amazon Prime.
This price can change by the hour according to supply on hand and competitors pricing so if you see a really good price don't wait too long as it could go up before the end of the day.
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post #359 of 1215
5/29/12 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by Clark Burk View Post

This really depends on the particular BB. I have never had them refuse to price match when I have brought in a copy of the web page from Amazon and the price is from Amazon directly and not one of their marketers. This will show as Amazon Prime.
This price can change by the hour according to supply on hand and competitors pricing so if you see a really good price don't wait too long as it could go up before the end of the day.


The next day after our local BB (Springfield, MO.) received the BDT500 I called and talked to the Magnolia manager and he was happy to match Amazon, no haggling required . At the time it was a 20.00 savings - no copy of the Amazon web-page required.
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5/29/12 at 9:17am
After removing the remote app with quick start on(unplugged router for 30 sec), NetFlix lip sync seems to resolve itself. I will do some more testing. How many people with NetFlix lip sync issue downloaded the remote app which is controlled by wifi?
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