Originally Posted by HDPERSON
Time for you to get out of the LAB, get a few experts and let them see the picture quality themselves and make their own decisions. You don't seem to understand that companies calibrate their blu ray players so that the default setting shows the best possible picture for their machine. People then can play with the settings the way they like. Who wants all Blu Ray picture quality to be the same for every machine. Even Consumer Reports will tell you that all Blu Ray picture quality are excellent but the ratings are mostly based on the best picture. In their case for the 2011 machines, it was 1. LG 690, 2. LG 670 and 3. OPPO 93, the Panny 210 and Sony S780, 580 fell below the top 3.
I always love the comment by many others "Shut off all the enhancements" so you can get the best picture" Companies calibrate using the default settings. Very funny stuff.
So how would you define "Best Picture Quality"? Would that be seeing exactly how the director and mastering engineer saw it? In that case you'd want to have a display calibrated as close to standards as possible, and have a Blu-ray player that outputs the bitstream exactly as it was encoded on the disc. The player "enhancing" that doesn't present the best image if that is what you want, and that's often the goal for most people here I would say.
We test everything the way it ships as the default. I also test every single mode and processing feature on the player if possible. I know what most of them do, I know the positive and negative effects they have on the picture, and in what cases they could present a benefit. I also know that my opinion of what is good is almost certainly not the same as someone else, and so relying strictly on my subjective ideas would lead most people down the wrong path.
I haven't read the Consumer Reports reviews, but I've tested and used the LG 670, the Sony S580, the Oppo 93, and the Panasonic 210. Defaults, the LG is incorrect and colors come out too dim, so you're missing details. The Sony is also too dim by default, so you miss highlights. The Panasonic 210 and the Oppo 93 are perfect. The put out exactly what is on the disc.
Do they use an ISF calibrated display? I have no idea. Do they turn on a TV, put it in THX mode, and say that's good enough? Possibly, I don't know. Do they put a heavy emphasis on streaming content and network playback in addition to video? No clue. Do the LG and Sony put out picture that will look visibly worse in many areas compared to the Panasonic and Oppo? Yes.
Do you know what Enhanced Chroma does on the Panasonic? Have you tested it and seen it with your eyes? I really enjoy the "Get out of the lab" comments, because you're relying on testing from Consumer Reports, in their lab, which is completely subject to bias, and ignoring testing from us, which is rooted in objective data you can't refute. I'm not saying that I think Enhanced Chroma looks bad, I'm saying it affects the output in such a way that it degrades the image, and there's hard proof of that.
If you can offer proof why the LG picture is better that the Oppo or Panasonic, I'd love to hear it. If you're going to answer "I think it looks better", then I can easily say "My JVC VHS player from 1992 still can't be beat" and have the same validity, it's why I use data for this, not just eyeballing something.
Edit: I forgot that HDPERSON prefers to watch things in Dynamic mode, so he doesn't see any shadow or highlight detail anyway, and certainly doesn't have his display calibrated. So if you want to lose shadow and highlight details, and have colors blown out, his subjective opinion is in line with yours. I'll ignore him next time.