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post #571 of 1791
Did you set the speakers to small . This is done by clicking on the speaker icon in the set up ,test tone menu.The speaker icon changes from a large icon to a small one.I'm not sure this is mentioned in the user manual.
post #572 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Can you please describe your bug?

Sure. I watch for a varying amount of time and then the stream stops and it has to rebuffer. The rebuffer loading bar stops about 1/3rd of the way across....and the throws an error stating that this title is not available right now. Attempts at playing other titles renders the same result.

Only a cord-out hard boot remedies the issue. However, it reappears after another 30mins to an hour the same problem re appears. Lip sync is perfect now...but this problem is still here...basically unaffected by the FW update. I did a full factory reset after the FW update per Panny CS. NO effect on the Netflix issue for me so far.


And don't get me wrong, the PQ is outstanding and the analog audio quality is also outstanding for the price. I'm very happy with the player and I technically also have Netflix on my TV via an app. However, my TV doesn't look nearly as good as the '500 when processing the Netflix stream. So I REALLY wanna be able to run Netflix on my '500. Pandora internet radio runs flawlessly for hours on end. NO rebuffering...despite constant changing between radio stations (I have 7 primary stations that I constantly switch between).
post #573 of 1791
I tried MPEG4 and MKV files from server. 500 denied to play them. It i sa bummer. I think the playability of 500 with audio and video files are very limitted. I hope Panasonic will take care of it with new FW.
post #574 of 1791
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Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post


And don't get me wrong, the PQ is outstanding

Yes! I had that bug. I did a reset , and so far it is fine. Also, I have the Apple TV and get that loading error.
post #575 of 1791
Thanks Aliens for your detailed reply..

Appreciated..
post #576 of 1791
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Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post

Sure. I watch for a varying amount of time and then the stream stops and it has to rebuffer. The rebuffer loading bar stops about 1/3rd of the way across....and the throws an error stating that this title is not available right now. Attempts at playing other titles renders the same result.
Only a cord-out hard boot remedies the issue. However, it reappears after another 30mins to an hour the same problem re appears. Lip sync is perfect now...but this problem is still here...basically unaffected by the FW update. I did a full factory reset after the FW update per Panny CS. NO effect on the Netflix issue for me so far.
And don't get me wrong, the PQ is outstanding and the analog audio quality is also outstanding for the price. I'm very happy with the player and I technically also have Netflix on my TV via an app. However, my TV doesn't look nearly as good as the '500 when processing the Netflix stream. So I REALLY wanna be able to run Netflix on my '500. Pandora internet radio runs flawlessly for hours on end. NO rebuffering...despite constant changing between radio stations (I have 7 primary stations that I constantly switch between).

I am sorry but the bug is still there. Report to Panasonic.
post #577 of 1791
Thank you for the feedback and enthusiasm about this player. Maybe I will hold on to it as its other strengths outway this weakness.

My 1st Blu-ray DVD came in the mail. I had been testing the subwoofer with standard DVDs I own from the past. This DVD did breath some life into the existing subwoofer setup, but I want to emphasis "some". For analog outputs, I had already cranked down the other 7 channels (via Panasonic's on-screen) to - 6 db (as far as it lets me), and left the sub woofer at 0 db. I cranked up the volume on the sub and listened to the Blu-ray DVD. There was finally activity. So it works, but I have to keep cranking the volume on the sub to less (Denon decoding 7.1) to much more (Panasonic analog LFE). This also tells me I am likely SOL with my music CDs, as there apparently is no crossover frequency decoding taking place to direct low frequencies to the sub channel in analog outputs. I naively expected the Panasonic to at least do that with the analog outputs. I bought the 500 to primarily determine if it 32 bit DACs sound better then my Denon's 24 bit DACs for music. So my conclusion so far (and please feel free to correct me on this) is that the source material has to have the ".1" to get it out the Panasonic analog LFE. The Panasonic 500 has no crossover frequency determination for the analog out LFE.

As for the 2 different sounds (Denon decoding versus 500 analog outputs), I do notice the difference and probably still prefer the Denon (at least for ease of use). I will keep experimenting though.
post #578 of 1791
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Originally Posted by jah07mn View Post

Thank you for the feedback and enthusiasm about this player. Maybe I will hold on to it as its other strengths outway this weakness.
My 1st Blu-ray DVD came in the mail. I had been testing the subwoofer with standard DVDs I own from the past. This DVD did breath some life into the existing subwoofer setup, but I want to emphasis "some". For analog outputs, I had already cranked down the other 7 channels (via Panasonic's on-screen) to - 6 db (as far as it lets me), and left the sub woofer at 0 db. I cranked up the volume on the sub and listened to the Blu-ray DVD. There was finally activity. So it works, but I have to keep cranking the volume on the sub to less (Denon decoding 7.1) to much more (Panasonic analog LFE). This also tells me I am likely SOL with my music CDs, as there apparently is no crossover frequency decoding taking place to direct low frequencies to the sub channel in analog outputs. I naively expected the Panasonic to at least do that with the analog outputs. I bought the 500 to primarily determine if it 32 bit DACs sound better then my Denon's 24 bit DACs for music. So my conclusion so far (and please feel free to correct me on this) is that the source material has to have the ".1" to get it out the Panasonic analog LFE. The Panasonic 500 has no crossover frequency determination for the analog out LFE.
As for the 2 different sounds (Denon decoding versus 500 analog outputs), I do notice the difference and probably still prefer the Denon (at least for ease of use). I will keep experimenting though.



I get lfe out of my 500 at a usable level.when you set the speaker size to small in the set up menu, that directs the lfe to the sub.I also used a test dvd to generate the sub tone.
post #579 of 1791
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Originally Posted by chuckg1 View Post

I get lfe out of my 500 at a usable level.when you set the speaker size to small in the set up menu, that directs the lfe to the sub.

Likely better to leave the speaker size set to large.

1st off, volume adjustments in this Panasonic 500 player, and most modern AVR units, are done digitally. Small volume adjustments don't hurt the sound quality much, whereas larger volume adjustments increase the chance of hurting the overall sound quality to the point where you might be able to hear it on the L/C/R speakers which are generally the most important for sound quality whether it 5.1/7.1 or stereo.

AFAIK when you select "small" the Panasonic 500 player makes a bigger digital adjustment.

Use the volume control that's on your powered sub to get it's volume where you want it to be at. But I'm not sure if that volume control is analog or digital or even if it matters for a sub.
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Originally Posted by chuckg1 View Post

I also used a test dvd to generate the sub tone.

Agreed on using a test DVD or test blu-ray disc to check speaker levels, including that of the ".1/LFE" channel.

IMO it's no big deal, but it is annoying that Panasonic only sends the test signal to the speakers and not the sub-woofer.
post #580 of 1791
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Originally Posted by jah07mn View Post

So my conclusion so far (and please feel free to correct me on this) is that the source material has to have the ".1" to get it out the Panasonic analog LFE.

I think that is correct with this player, but am not totally sure.
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Originally Posted by jah07mn View Post

The Panasonic 500 has no crossover frequency determination for the analog out LFE.

Might be true, or it might not.

If it does it's likely at 80Hz (or nearby) which is pretty standard as a default choice.

Get a test disc with various sub frequency output; say 30Hz 40 50 60 70 80 90 through 200 or 300Hz.

Turn all of the speakers off, but leave the sub on.

Since you're using the 7.1 RCA outs, one way is to disconnect the speaker interconnects (from the player to the AVR), but leave the sub interconnect in place.

I've never thought to try this myself, but I suspect that if the player has a crossover at say 80 that you'd be able to notice the volume reduction starting at 80 and above.
Edited by OtherSongs - 6/28/12 at 9:54am
post #581 of 1791
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Originally Posted by jah07mn View Post

For analog outputs, I had already cranked down the other 7 channels (via Panasonic's on-screen) to - 6 db (as far as it lets me), and left the sub woofer at 0 db. I cranked up the volume on the sub and listened to the Blu-ray DVD. There was finally activity. So it works, but I have to keep cranking the volume on the sub to less (Denon decoding 7.1) to much more (Panasonic analog LFE).

This is likely due to a -10db adjustment that almost all AVRs have as an option. Even a 10 year old AVR like your Denon.

Find it in your AVR setup and turn it off.

Be careful to not blow out your sub, at least until you get the sub volume re-adjusted.
post #582 of 1791
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Originally Posted by OtherSongs View Post

I think that is correct with this player, but am not totally sure.
Might be true, or it might not.
If it does it's likely at 80Hz (or nearby) which is pretty standard as a default choice.
Get a test disc with various sub frequency output; say 30Hz 40 50 60 70 80 90 through 200 or 300Hz.
Turn all of the speakers off, but leave the sub on.
Since you're using the 7.1 RCA outs, one way is to disconnect the speaker interconnects (from the player to the AVR), but leave the sub interconnect in place.
I've never thought to try this myself, but I suspect that if the player has a crossover at say 80 that you'd be able to notice the volume reduction starting at 80 and above.

Usually when your setting up surround equipment with a subwoofer most manufacturers have a setting for large ( full range) or small ( base frequency under 150 hz, usually set to 80hz) . By setting the speaker to small you activate the crossover filter so the low end gets to the sub. I'm pretty sure that is the way most base management works.
post #583 of 1791
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Originally Posted by chuckg1 View Post

Usually when your setting up surround equipment with a subwoofer most manufacturers have a setting for large ( full range) or small ( base frequency under 150 hz, usually set to 80hz) .

Interesting thought.

Wouldn't surprise me if large vs small is done two or even three different ways by different disc player manufacturers over the last 10 years:

1. There's no digital manipulation of the volume of the signal sent to the speakers, only the volume of what is sent to the sub.

2. There is digital manipulation of the volume of the signal sent to the speakers, and also to the signal volume that is sent to the sub.

3. There is digital manipulation of the volume of the signal sent to the speakers, but not to the signal volume that is sent to the sub.
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Originally Posted by chuckg1 View Post

By setting the speaker to small you activate the crossover filter so the low end gets to the sub. I'm pretty sure that is the way most base management works.

See above.

It might (note "might") also activate a 4th option of changing the crossover point from 80Hz to something higher. smile.gif
post #584 of 1791
Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain to me why a person would want to use the players analog outputs and use the internal Burr Brown decoders ---IF---- the AVR they have already has Burr Brown decoders? In this case wouldn't an optical link be the same difference?
post #585 of 1791
I did look up my Pioneer Elite 49txi and this players specs and found this:

Pioneer 49txi has 24 bit Burr Brown DACs

compared to the 500 which has 32 bit Burr Brown DACs.

So other than that, I personally wonder IF I would 1) notice any difference in 32 bit or 2) have any advantage in letting the AVR decode since it is going to be controlling the volume and speaker levels.

BTW my speakers will be amped from my Emotive XPS-5 (except for the back 2 speakers and they will be amped from the AVR...for now)
post #586 of 1791
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Originally Posted by OtherSongs View Post

Interesting thought.
Wouldn't surprise me if large vs small is done two or even three different ways by different disc player manufacturers over the last 10 years:
1. There's no digital manipulation of the volume of the signal sent to the speakers, only the volume of what is sent to the sub.
2. There is digital manipulation of the volume of the signal sent to the speakers, and also to the signal volume that is sent to the sub.
3. There is digital manipulation of the volume of the signal sent to the speakers, but not to the signal volume that is sent to the sub.
See above.
It might (note "might") also activate a 4th option of changing the crossover point from 80Hz to something higher. smile.gif
I would think when your setting the analog outs your not manipulating the digital signal at all.I also would think that since the thx standard for crossover is 80 hz , that would
be the frequency that panasonic uses, but nothing is mentioned about that in the user manual.I've set up many dvd and receivers ( Sony,Panasonic,Denon) and setting the speaker size to small gets the lfe to the sub.
My Denon 4806 does it ,as did my Sony es line receivers, and sacd/dvd es players.However the higher end equipment lets you set the cutoff frequency .Try it and see if it works,If not than I stand corrected.
post #587 of 1791
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Originally Posted by BroncoSport View Post

Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain to me why a person would want to use the players analog outputs and use the internal Burr Brown decoders ---IF---- the AVR they have already has Burr Brown decoders? In this case wouldn't an optical link be the same difference?

That depends how old the avr is and if it has hdmi connections.The optical and coaxial connections won't pass the new lossless audio formats (dts master audio and dolby true ) .Most new blue ray players can decode these and send them to the avr by pcm down conversion thru hdmi, or the player can send bitstream and the avr can decode it if it can decode these codecs .I would try every connection since comparing audio is subjective to each person.If your avr has auto calibration then that might be a reason to let the avr decode the audio.
post #588 of 1791
I have a 5.0 sound system and I am trying to configure my new 500 to inform it that I don't have a subwoofer. The 5 speakers are all full range.

I used Audio, set for 2ch+5.1, and then went into the screen where it has the test. I cannot seem to figure out how to get it to disable the subwoofer.

I have not had any problem with this kind of setup on other machines.

I would appreciate any help.


UPDATE: I seem to have solved this in the prepro by feeding the subwoofer output to the prepro and configuring it to mix the subwoofer into the other channels. I would still appreciate knowing, however, how to accomplish this in the 500.



Thanks.
Edited by rlsmith - 6/29/12 at 7:55am
post #589 of 1791
Thank you for the great input!!! I will try and reduce the speaker size if not already done. You are correct in that the manual never mentioned such. But that is how I have my AVR set up - all small speakers. So I will hack away at Panasonic's 7.1 analog output screen to make sure the speakers are set small.

I did listen to a whole Blu ray DVD with the analog outputs and liked it. So as to why I went to the trouble of using the analog outputs versus only digital to the AVR: "variety is the spice of life". I know my AVR cost me probably 10x as much as this Panasonic. But the panny is 10 years newer. So for me, it is the adventure of hearing the potential it can deliver, and then I will make a preference for one or the other, or just bounce back and forth.
post #590 of 1791
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Originally Posted by rlsmith View Post

I have a 5.0 sound system and I am trying to configure my new 500 to inform it that I don't have a subwoofer. The 5 speakers are all full range.
I used Audio, set for 2ch+5.1, and then went into the screen where it has the test. I cannot seem to figure out how to get it to disable the subwoofer.
I have not had any problem with this kind of setup on other machines.
I would appreciate any help.
UPDATE: I seem to have solved this in the prepro by feeding the subwoofer output to the prepro and configuring it to mix the subwoofer into the other channels. I would still appreciate knowing, however, how to accomplish this in the 500.
Thanks.

As long as you have the speaker size set to the large icon,then full range audio should be going to each speaker.
post #591 of 1791
Thank you Chuckg1. That solved my problem with no LFE signal during music playback with the analog outputs.

It has been 10 years since I set up my Denon, but it is also set up to all small speakers (I am a bit rusty at this).

I hacked away at the Panny setup screen until I got the arrows on the left stereo speaker highlighted. Hit the down arrow on the left stereo and all the speakers went small except for the sub woofer - just what I wanted. What is bizarre is that after talking to 3 Panny technical service rep.s, none knew of this. The 1st two did not know what analog outputs were. Panasonic should just hire the AVS forum.

I still have the variation in volume between my AVR and the Panasonic. The Denon is much more documented and adjustable, so I will equalize from the Denon side of the equation.

Thank you all for the help.
post #592 of 1791
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Originally Posted by jah07mn View Post

Thank you Chuckg1. That solved my problem with no LFE signal during music playback with the analog outputs.
It has been 10 years since I set up my Denon, but it is also set up to all small speakers (I am a bit rusty at this).
I hacked away at the Panny setup screen until I got the arrows on the left stereo speaker highlighted. Hit the down arrow on the left stereo and all the speakers went small except for the sub woofer - just what I wanted. What is bizarre is that after talking to 3 Panny technical service rep.s, none knew of this. The 1st two did not know what analog outputs were. Panasonic should just hire the AVS forum.
I still have the variation in volume between my AVR and the Panasonic. The Denon is much more documented and adjustable, so I will equalize from the Denon side of the equation.
Thank you all for the help.

Your welcome jah07mn enjoy your 500. I know what you mean about customer service,very few companies know what that means anymore.
post #593 of 1791
Hi does anyone here own this player, who has own the pioneer elite 05 , how does the pic and aduio compare. Looking to upgrade thank you for any info
post #594 of 1791
I have both and the BDT-500 is far better in upscaling quality for DVD. Even Netflix hater like me can now accept Netflix on my 96" 21:9 screen viewed from 10ft away.

Audio, if you use HDMI, there is no difference. If you use analog out, I still prefer my BDP-05 (which I now use it exclusively as a standalone CD player in my bedroom).
post #595 of 1791
Has anybody compared the subjective sound quality of the "2 channel" analog outs (left/right, back surround) vice the "main L+R" outs on the 5.1 section? I have no reason to think that they would sound different; I'm just curious. I'm currently running my analog L+R outs to my Arcam AVR300 via the '5.1 section' for stereo listening.

For digital listening (coaxial SPDIF), my Arcam's DACs (Wolfson Microelectronics) still hold a distinct edge in midrange clarity and soundstage width for all stereo signals vs. the '500's Burr-Brown chips. The '500 is still damn good for its price though.....just not quite the same.
post #596 of 1791
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Even Netflix hater like me can now accept Netflix on my 96" 21:9 screen viewed from 10ft away.

Wow, bold statement. Impressive.

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Originally Posted by chuckg1 View Post

I know what you mean about customer service,very few companies know what that means anymore.
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Originally Posted by jah07mn View Post

What is bizarre is that after talking to 3 Panny technical service rep.s, none knew of this. The 1st two did not know what analog outputs were.

It's gotten so bad it's not even a matter of "customer service" anymore sometimes. I generally deem customer service to refer to stuff like shorter wait/hold times, responsiveness, getting back promptly via e-mail/phone, respecting a customer for their business. I had the same experience, JAH07MN, when I was raising some Cain a year ago when the calibratability of the BDT350 was restricted with a firmware "upgrade" compared to the functionality the player had out of the box insofar as I was having to explain basics to CS reps who seemed like they fundamentally did not know WTF I was talking about. That's a horse of a different color IMO.
post #597 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Paul.R.S View Post

Wow, bold statement. Impressive.
It's gotten so bad it's not even a matter of "customer service" anymore sometimes. I generally deem customer service to refer to stuff like shorter wait/hold times, responsiveness, getting back promptly via e-mail/phone, respecting a customer for their business. I had the same experience, JAH07MN, when I was raising some Cain a year ago when the calibratability of the BDT350 was restricted with a firmware "upgrade" compared to the functionality the player had out of the box insofar as I was having to explain basics to CS reps who seemed like they fundamentally did not know WTF I was talking about. That's a horse of a different color IMO.

When companies don't bother to train their people about the basics of their product line and then put them directly in contact with customers as product support,I consider that poor customer support. I wonder how many products were returned because simple problems couldn't be solved by customer support.For instance,I had bought a panasonic 65 in. plasma that would have signal drops and the customer support was no help,they were reading from a script.They told me to have the vendor replace the tv,which I did.The replacement tv did the same thing,so I tried a firmware update which solved the problem.The update was never mentioned by their support.How much money did the company lose because of a simple solution in that instance? Companies just don't want to spend the money to train people anymore,including the company I work for.
post #598 of 1791
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Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post

Has anybody compared the subjective sound quality of the "2 channel" analog outs (left/right, back surround) vice the "main L+R" outs on the 5.1 section? I have no reason to think that they would sound different; I'm just curious. I'm currently running my analog L+R outs to my Arcam AVR300 via the '5.1 section' for stereo listening.
For digital listening (coaxial SPDIF), my Arcam's DACs (Wolfson Microelectronics) still hold a distinct edge in midrange clarity and soundstage width for all stereo signals vs. the '500's Burr-Brown chips. The '500 is still damn good for its price though.....just not quite the same.


I have the same question on 2 channel output for cd only. Anyone PLEASE:)
post #599 of 1791
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Originally Posted by rickcfer View Post

I have the same question on 2 channel output for cd only. Anyone PLEASE:)

No one has answered in 2+ days because they are thinking "why don't you try it yourself" and find out?

I thought of trying that for myself, but only set up with the 5.1 RCA analog outs to my MC pre.

The L/R stereo playback from CD discs is excellent, even when I only use stereo L/R from the rear 5.1 RCA outs.
post #600 of 1791
Ordered my player Saturday, hopefully it ships soon. I've been using a PS3 as my blurray player since 2006.
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