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post #121 of 267
Well,the Panny 65VT30 defivately had better black levels,more detailed and less foggy compared to the Sammy PN64D8000,IMO,IF Samsung were to make those blacks as equivilant,if not better,to the Pannys VT series,I might consider,till then,time only tells!
post #122 of 267
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Originally Posted by winklepr View Post

However, if it's 10 percent from Samsung's typical .07/.08 cd/m2 range that puts it closer to the black-levels of Panasonic's 2011 flagship VT30 I believe. The biggest deal would be if enabling Cinema Smooth also is 10% better AND it doesn't worsen black-levels at all when enabled. It would be about time for that to finally happen... though both of those alone wouldn't be enough for me to upgrade from my PN59D8000. I'd actually more miss the extra inch of screen, smaller bezel/design, and lighter weight more I think...

I suppose the Samsung will be closer to the 2011 Panasonic if they hit the 10% target.... But then again the 2012 Panasonic sounds better.... So...

In no way do any of these changes justify an upgrade from a 2011 model. Someone who thinks they can take a 2012 home, get rid of their 2011 and actually see visible difference is talking themselves into seeing those differences. Period.
post #123 of 267
Oor, maybe the 2012 Samsung will justfy the upgrade.

If we are going to make WAG's about a TV that nobody has, it could go either way huh?

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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I suppose the Samsung will be closer to the 2011 Panasonic if they hit the 10% target.... But then again the 2012 Panasonic sounds better.... So...

In no way do any of these changes justify an upgrade from a 2011 model. Someone who thinks they can take a 2012 home, get rid of their 2011 and actually see visible difference is talking themselves into seeing those differences. Period.
post #124 of 267
Yes the panny has better blacks but the sammy has better brightness levels I have a vt 30 in my media room and a d8000 in my living room the d8000 calibrated provides much better brightness compared to my calibrated vt30.
post #125 of 267
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

Oor, maybe the 2012 Samsung will justfy the upgrade.

If we are going to make WAG's about a TV that nobody has, it could go either way huh?

No, and your trolling of a huge number of my posts isn't really helping anyone either.

I realize this is hard for you to process, so I'll explain it for everyone else who isn't here solely for the purpose of trolling me:

Samsung has already announced that the black level will be different by 10%. Therefore, it's not going to be different by 40%. That's not how marketing worse. They also made no promises about more brightness or anything else really special.

Since people are only going to have one TV in their family room/bedroom/whatever, they won't be A-B-ing it with some other TV once they make their purchase. The 2011 Samsungs delivered a very, very good picture. And not even Samsung is claiming their 2012 sets are going to be dramatically different. Since owners of 2011 sets already have very good TVs, its pointless for them to upgrade. The differences are likely to be so slight, you might not even see them if the TVs were sitting next to each other.

And you won't be able to really see them once you get rid of your 2011. You'll have to convince yourself something has happened, because even on objective measures, the differences will be slight.

Now, this isn't to say that someone with more money than they have use for shouldn't upgrade. They might want the voice control so badly, it's worth four figures to get it. But this is a community and people come seeking advice. Since I've already seen the 2012 Samsung plasmas, I am quite qualified to provide the advice:

For owners of 2011 Samsungs, an upgrade is not going to be worth your money. This isn't even a controversial position; virtually no one here at AVS upgrades last year's TV with this year's. Does it happen? Sure. Is it common? No.

Now, feel free to resume your trolling David. I'm sure you can manage your non-contributions to even more discussions.
post #126 of 267
WOW! I didnt mean to start a ruckess,lol,and your absolutely right,I posted on here to get the opinions of who know more than me! The reason why I asked was,I had panny 65VT30 and exchanged it for the Sammy pn64D8000 because of Panny issues,but the fact of the matter is,I personally thought the PQ between the 2 were extremely noticable,favorably for the Panny! I only asked about upgrading the 2011 Sammy to the 2012 Sammy IF IF IF the PQ would be of that of the Panny 2011 or even better.I did have both of those TVs side by side in my home and I can honestly say the difference was noticable,both out of the box settings with no tweaks.
post #127 of 267
I'm not surprised you found the 2011 Panasonic better than the 2011 Samsung. I wish to clarify that I don't doubt that and that the sets are sufficiently different such a preference -- especially based on out-of-the-box settings -- is not shocking.

I was specifically directing my remarks at upgrading a 2011 Samsung to a 2012 Samsung. I can speak on that topic already. I can't reasonably speak on comparing it to a 2011 Panasonic, especially when referring to out-of-the-box settings, which are often a mess regardless of brand.
post #128 of 267
Once again, you have ZERO proof ANYTHING you're saying will come to be.

Panasonic reps SAID the 2011 VT MLL would get down half what the 2010s where, and that did NOT happen.

Also, Pansonic reps said the raising MLL of 2009 was fixed, when in fact it was NOT fixed in 2010.

And if you'd like, I will link to the MANY posts where someone bought the VERY NEXT YEAR's TV and pronounced it MUCH MUCH better.

Personal opinion is just that, and you can hardly tell people what THEY perceive, because what THEY think is important has ZERO to do with what YOU see is a huge or not huge improvement.

BTW, My 2012 PND is a lot better then my 2011 PNC. So go ahead, tell me my personal opinion is "wrong" and that samsung did NOT improve IR, or crosstalk or 3d glass sync, or light rejection, since I DO in fact have both sets in my house to compare, and the 2012 is easily worth the upgrade and far superior in many many ways.

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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

No, and your trolling of a huge number of my posts isn't really helping anyone either.

I realize this is hard for you to process, so I'll explain it for everyone else who isn't here solely for the purpose of trolling me:

Samsung has already announced that the black level will be different by 10%. Therefore, it's not going to be different by 40%. That's not how marketing worse. They also made no promises about more brightness or anything else really special.

Since people are only going to have one TV in their family room/bedroom/whatever, they won't be A-B-ing it with some other TV once they make their purchase. The 2011 Samsungs delivered a very, very good picture. And not even Samsung is claiming their 2012 sets are going to be dramatically different. Since owners of 2011 sets already have very good TVs, its pointless for them to upgrade. The differences are likely to be so slight, you might not even see them if the TVs were sitting next to each other.

And you won't be able to really see them once you get rid of your 2011. You'll have to convince yourself something has happened, because even on objective measures, the differences will be slight.

Now, this isn't to say that someone with more money than they have use for shouldn't upgrade. They might want the voice control so badly, it's worth four figures to get it. But this is a community and people come seeking advice. Since I've already seen the 2012 Samsung plasmas, I am quite qualified to provide the advice:

For owners of 2011 Samsungs, an upgrade is not going to be worth your money. This isn't even a controversial position; virtually no one here at AVS upgrades last year's TV with this year's. Does it happen? Sure. Is it common? No.

Now, feel free to resume your trolling David. I'm sure you can manage your non-contributions to even more discussions.
post #129 of 267
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

blah blah blah blah

Generally speaking the only reason you reply to my posts is to troll them. It's therefore impossible to know if you're even making a point in them anymore. I'll let your trolling stand and allow people to make their own evaluations of it.

I'm simply not going to bother with your pointless non-arguments anymore.

No human being can detect a 10% difference in MLL without having both TVs there (referring to two decent sets). It's not even possible. But, hey, for the individual, perception is reality. Feel free to believe whatever you want.

Also, this is a Samsung thread, not a Panasonic one.
post #130 of 267
Does anyone have an estimate on when the 59e6500 will be available? I've seen a few different dates from March to May. I have a 2011 D7000 that is being returned due to the directional buzz. I have my eye on the new ones hoping that the buzz may be less problematic but if the release date is May then I don't think I want to wait. I'll probably just pull the trigger on a Panny GT30 or ST50 if they come out this month. I loved the D7000 picture but the buzz was to distracting for where I sit 90% of the time.
post #131 of 267
According to home Theater Mag Scott Wilkerson.
Early tests on the new Plasma E8000 show a 30% improvement in blacks.
Matching the Pannie VT30.

36.5 and 0.006fL for a contrast ratio of 6083:1),

Here is the link on the article.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/s...12-tv-briefing
post #132 of 267
Are there any reviews yet for the PN51E6500? I'm very close to buying last year's PN51D6500 and need to know if I should spend the extra ~$400 and get the 2012 model. My biggest concern is picture quality and lack of FBr. Speaking of that, is it confirmed that Samsung has fixed the FBr problem for the new models?
post #133 of 267
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

According to home Theater Mag Scott Wilkerson.
Early tests on the new Plasma E8000 show a 30% improvement in blacks.
Matching the Pannie VT30.

36.5 and 0.006fL for a contrast ratio of 6083:1),

Here is the link on the article.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/s...12-tv-briefing

So 2012's Samsung might match 2011's Panasonic. .... Wait, what, sorry, I dozed off. Oh, right, yeah, not competitive. Thanks for the link, though, sincerely. My ennui is with Samsung and their $1000 price increases; not with your helpful post (sincerely).
post #134 of 267
As far as I'm concerned, Samsung is competitive unless Panasonic has managed to fix their color decoder.
post #135 of 267
For those who may be interested in a E7000 vs GT50 comparison: plasma tv buying guide dot com /plasmatvreviews/2012-plasma-tv-shootout.html

I see AVS doesn't like direct links to that site...
post #136 of 267
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Originally Posted by rmongiovi View Post

As far as I'm concerned, Samsung is competitive unless Panasonic has managed to fix their color decoder.

So long as the AR filters don't peel off on the Samsung... so long as some of them don't show up with internal cracking... so long as they have fixed their brightness problems... yada yada yada.

Oh, also, one of the calibrators says the Panasonic seems to be better in color decoding this year. Never mind the fact that most people never saw anything wrong with it last year, since clearly some people are sensitive to color, this is fair game.
post #137 of 267
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

You have no idea how Samsung will handle special sales events, or how often these prices will be revised.

People are freaking out about something that they know nothing about other then some rumor on a website.

its True we had a couple of execs come into my store `Magnolia` and most samsung tv`s will be at msrp. Best buy is the major cause of this since they buy more tvs then anyone. Think how many stores country wide, Best buy has...
post #138 of 267
Thread Starter 
Is the new full-size kb going to work on 2011 smart tvs too? or just the 2012 models?
post #139 of 267
If they fix the buzzing in 2012, I'm all in for a Samsung plasma in 2012. I exchanged 2 buzzing PN64D7000s before giving up, the picture quality was amazing except for the brightness popping and the black level rise and excessive dithering in CinemaSmooth and 3D modes. Hell, if they didn't buzz, I would have seriously considered keeping the TVs even with the brightness popping and the dithering because the colors were spot-on and there was the natural motion resolution and input lag of plasma which was wonderful.
post #140 of 267
Best Buy is always at MSRP unless they have a sale going on.

2012 is no different except Samsung is trying to help Best Buy by making online retailers keep prices competative.

Samsung regularly has lowered the MSRP of a model year's TVs. 2011s MSRP dropped quite a bit by the end of the year.

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Originally Posted by upsfeedr View Post

its True we had a couple of execs come into my store `Magnolia` and most samsung tv`s will be at msrp. Best buy is the major cause of this since they buy more tvs then anyone. Think how many stores country wide, Best buy has...
post #141 of 267
Does anybody have have any idea if theses include frame interpolation or not?
post #142 of 267
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

According to home Theater Mag Scott Wilkerson.
Early tests on the new Plasma E8000 show a 30% improvement in blacks.
Matching the Pannie VT30.

36.5 and 0.006fL for a contrast ratio of 6083:1),

Here is the link on the article.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/s...12-tv-briefing

I read the same article,SO,maybe IT IS worth to upgrade from the PN64D to the 2012 PN64E with a 30% improvement in BLACKS....................................HMMMMM
post #143 of 267
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Originally Posted by jroptop View Post

I read the same article,SO,maybe IT IS worth to upgrade from the PN64D to the 2012 PN64E with a 30% improvement in BLACKS....................................HMMMMM

Some sort of post-calibration measurement of a set purchases at retail should be taken before anyone starts jumping up and down.
post #144 of 267
Thread Starter 
any e 8's or 7's available in b&m stores yet or online?
post #145 of 267
there are several places you can preorder the e/es 8/7 series. amazon,abt,vann's and ve - i recommend ve -


god bless
post #146 of 267
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Originally Posted by leftyguitar1963 View Post

any e 8's or 7's available in b&m stores yet or online?

Nope.......not yet.
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Originally Posted by jroptop View Post

I read the same article,SO,maybe IT IS worth to upgrade from the PN64D to the 2012 PN64E with a 30% improvement in BLACKS....................................HMMMMM

More testing would have to be done to back the 30% deeper blacks. My first question is the E8000 being tested even a production piece. I know if there where out already, they would be on showroom floors already !
post #147 of 267
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

More testing would have to be done to back the 30% deeper blacks. My first question is the E8000 being tested even a production piece. I know if there where out already, they would be on showroom floors already !

Yep, echoing what I noted above. We need a real test before reaching a conclusion.
post #148 of 267
What are the picture quality differences between the E6500,7000,&8000?
post #149 of 267
We won't really know until the professional reviews hit. Samsung really hasn't said how they've changed anything other than a new filter.
post #150 of 267
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Nope.......not yet.


More testing would have to be done to back the 30% deeper blacks. My first question is the E8000 being tested even a production piece. I know if there where out already, they would be on showroom floors already !

the es7500 /8000 are out and have been , the e8000 is available for preorder and will actually be available on march 19th, in stores !!! that is a fact. i know cause I will have mine on the 19th ( i was told the 18th but thats sunday, so i figure monday)by samsung. so the es7500/8000 can be tested by retailers that have them. one person already gave pics of the es7500 in his store. and amazon has the 46-55-60 unes8000.


god bless
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