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post #211 of 267
3/17/12 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by david1923 View Post

Yes I will post pictures. I have black tone set to darkest. Yes the blacks are great but no difference to my 59d8000. Both have awesome blacks but to me they are identical. The other thing I'm not sure on and maybe someone can help. I notice I have my sharpness set really low like 20. When I turn sharpness to like 50 picture looks so much better and detailed. But everywhere on the Internet and sales people say sharpness should be set even to 0 if maybe. But looks better higher. What's everyone opinion on sharpness. Please help and yes posting pictures.

some calibrators set "black tone" to OFF on the 2011 D8000 model...
try OFF and keep us updated
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post #212 of 267
3/17/12 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by Tomeo View Post

Are you sure you have the right calibration? First reviews indicated that the black deepness increased by 30% on the e8000 compared to the d8000. So logically it should be noticeable...

Not really, I think you need to consider that with the dark blacks we have now the eye's sensitivity to further reductions is limited, so you're only really going to appreciate something around 50% or better reduction in MLL. For the 10-30% they're talking about, you'd need to have the two next to each other to even notice, and the difference is minor. Some people obsess over this value, but personally I think there are several other performance parameters that are far more important with current plasma tech.
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post #213 of 267
3/17/12 at 10:38am
Here is the crappy pics. I had them both side by side and I believe I saw improvements.

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post #214 of 267
3/17/12 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by david1923 View Post

...I notice I have my sharpness set really low like 20. When I turn sharpness to like 50 picture looks so much better and detailed. But everywhere on the Internet and sales people say sharpness should be set even to 0 if maybe. But looks better higher. What's everyone opinion on sharpness. Please help and yes posting pictures.

It's an optical illusion, but if you like it then by all means, set it to whatever you want. Understand that you are adding detail that never existed and in doing so you may be masking real details - this is why purists do not use the sharpness control, or use it minimally. This page explains it a bit more:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...&id=1328263571
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post #215 of 267
3/17/12 at 1:01pm
hey guys. PICS WILL FOLOW SOON. I am running my slides now and I will have the tv pro. calibrated as soon as d-nice is able to get here, he told me he is touring pa early april. Any way, as far as blacks , I can tell you A side by side comparison, done in my home, clearly shows the e8000 does have darker blacks. Now that said, I would say with out having them side by side the difference would be diffucult.. The pq IMHO- is better, again s/s


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post #216 of 267
3/17/12 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by david1923 View Post

Well, name is Vince. Just purchased the pne8000 plasma yesterday. I also own last years pn59d8000. As far as picture goes I do not notice a difference. Maybe it's me and my eyes but looks the same. I do have to say sound is ten times better and not a single peep of buzz.

Did your old pn59D8000 have noticeable buzzing? When comparing noise you have to sit in a similar position because the buzzing was very directional on the 2011 models. It would be great news if they finally fixed this issue.
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post #217 of 267
3/17/12 at 6:44pm
Just picked up the 51E8000.

Picture looking good; Baylor's highlighter-yellow uniforms vs Colorado's black test the screen very well

Im detecting a hum coming from the A/C cord input

Samsung apps is getting an error, but other wifi apps working. Hmmm...
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post #218 of 267
3/17/12 at 7:28pm
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Im detecting a hum coming from the A/C cord input

Oh man, here we go again
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post #219 of 267
3/17/12 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by Drivingrain View Post

Just picked up the 51E8000.

Picture looking good; Baylor's highlighter-yellow uniforms vs Colorado's black test the screen very well

Im detecting a hum coming from the A/C cord input

Samsung apps is getting an error, but other wifi apps working. Hmmm...

RE the Samsung apps; it's probably discussed in these boards somewhere,but I'll report here for easy reference. This thread gave me the solution. Manually enter the DNS of 8.8.4.4 and it's solved.

And no Amazon Prime app? Still? There's a good chance I'll return this TV over that issue if I cant find a solution.
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post #220 of 267
3/17/12 at 8:16pm
Anybody know when the 64" models will be in stock? Amazon still only has 60" and smaller models. I was hoping to pull the trigger before the end of March, when the Chase Freedom 5% back from Amazon expires.
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post #221 of 267
3/17/12 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

Anybody know when the 64" models will be in stock? Amazon still only has 60" and smaller models. I was hoping to pull the trigger before the end of March, when the Chase Freedom 5% back from Amazon expires.

I can't even find any of the e series except for the LEDs on the site.
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post #222 of 267
3/18/12 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by tonyjd40 View Post

hey guys. PICS WILL FOLOW SOON. I am running my slides now and I will have the tv pro. calibrated as soon as d-nice is able to get here, he told me he is touring pa early april. Any way, as far as blacks , I can tell you A side by side comparison, done in my home, clearly shows the e8000 does have darker blacks. Now that said, I would say with out having them side by side the difference would be diffucult.. The pq IMHO- is better, again s/s


god bless

What about whites? I was in BB the other day where they had a 60e8000 next to the 2011 samsungs, and the whites were MUCH brighter almost like the LED right below it. I was very impress as it was very noticeable compared to the other plamas around it. Have you noticed any difference in the whites or brightness?
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post #223 of 267
3/18/12 at 7:46am
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What about whites? I was in BB the other day where they had a 60e8000 next to the 2011 samsungs, and the whites were MUCH brighter almost like the LED right below it. I was very impress as it was very noticeable compared to the other plamas around it. Have you noticed any difference in the whites or brightness?

For me, this is the big question. I've been more than happy with the PQ on a 5 year old Smasung 46" LCD but I would like to upsize a little. The slim bezel would give me the ability to go to 51" in roughly the same overall size as my current 46".

I haven't kept up on the forum for years but overall I'm getting the impression that black level is now a "problem" for plasma The plasma sets from 5 years ago claimed true-black (whatever that means) the bigger issue was dull whites. I'm kinda surprised at this point most folks aren't more concerned about whites.

Have a great day
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post #224 of 267
3/18/12 at 7:48am
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What about whites? I was in BB the other day where they had a 60e8000 next to the 2011 samsungs, and the whites were MUCH brighter almost like the LED right below it. I was very impress as it was very noticeable compared to the other plamas around it. Have you noticed any difference in the whites or brightness?

Never judge a display based on what you see on the sales floor at Best Buy.
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post #225 of 267
3/18/12 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by pboy207 View Post

What about whites? I was in BB the other day where they had a 60e8000 next to the 2011 samsungs, and the whites were MUCH brighter almost like the LED right below it. I was very impress as it was very noticeable compared to the other plamas around it. Have you noticed any difference in the whites or brightness?

I was watching the 51e8000, 60e8000 and another brands 60ish LED at BB before I bought the 51e8000 there yesterday...

To me the differences you describe were still noticeable. The plasma, even on dyanmic settings, had a less bright white than the LED. But this was more often a liability for the LED than an asset. It looks gorgeous on a white-screened Apple commercial or something like it while the plasma was not aqs life like in those situations. But when sunshine is on the screen and/or you see a shine off of a person's face...the LED looks over-bright and washed out in white while the plasma is much more rich with those bright whites and doesnt over-shine.
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post #226 of 267
3/18/12 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by dpippel View Post

Never judge a display based on what you see on the sales floor at Best Buy.

I'm aware of Best Buy not being the best place to judge displays as there could be many factors for differences in displays. That is why I'm asking tonyjd40 if he noticed any difference in whites since he has both displays at home.

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I was watching the 51e8000, 60e8000 and another brands 60ish LED at BB before I bought the 51e8000 there yesterday...

To me the differences you describe were still noticeable. The plasma, even on dyanmic settings, had a less bright white than the LED. But this was more often a liability for the LED than an asset. It looks gorgeous on a white-screened Apple commercial or something like it while the plasma was not aqs life like in those situations. But when sunshine is on the screen and/or you see a shine off of a person's face...the LED looks over-bright and washed out in white while the plasma is much more rich with those bright whites and doesnt over-shine.

I wasn't trying to compare the samsung plasma to an LED. Just using the LED as a reference as to how much brighter the whites seem on the 60E8000 when compared to the other samsung d7000/8000 plasma displays around it. Especially when they played the hockey scenes in those clips BB always have running.

btw.. Congrats. How do you like your new 51e8000?
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post #227 of 267
3/18/12 at 10:58am
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I'm aware of Best Buy not being the best place to judge displays as there could be many factors for differences in displays. That is why I'm asking tonyjd40 if he noticed any difference in whites since he has both displays at home.



I wasn't trying to compare the samsung plasma to an LED. Just using the LED as a reference as to how much brighter the whites seem on the 60E8000 when compared to the other samsung d7000/8000 plasma displays around it. Especially when they played the hockey scenes in those clips BB always have running.

btw.. Congrats. How do you like your new 51e8000?

i have a lot to learn about optimization from the folks in this forum, but my initial impressions after 18 hours:
-I prefer the relax mode with contrast up and sharpness down
-Im working with the diffusers to get the hum down. It seems to be working.
-The reason anyone buys the 8000 over the other series are the gadgets and so far they're great. The Skype app with built-in camera rocks as does Youtube. But, as mentioned above, no Amazon Prime? That might be a deal breaker for me. I'm into Prime and Samsung cant seem to get together with Amazon to make that happen. That doesnt make sense to me at all; there must be some strange contractual reason for it?
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post #228 of 267
3/18/12 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Thanks Tony! I'm excited to see the pics.

Like CaTaSTrOphiK, could you please comment on the following?:

1. Build quality. Last year's bezels were apparently poorly made and were "wavy".

2. PQ perceptions next to the PND8000.

3. Any fluctuating brightness? (try hockey)

4. Practical differences between the PN8000s and PN7000s.

5. Any perceived buzzing issues?



OK founf a hockey channel, maybe an old game ? I am not into hockey, but anyway. OKwow --- bright white almost burned my eyes !!! ( my living room is really dark) There is a weird look , Don't really know how to explain it. Once in a while when the screen is mostly white smaill portions of the screen seem sorta grey ? I really dont know how to explain more than that. It appears as the entire scene is really bright white and then small areas look alittle grey or like staticy ? ODD. It is not a large area just small bits that apear this way __ around the edges mostly --- sorry I can't explain better , maybe if I can get a pic of it, i will try .

god bless
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post #229 of 267
3/18/12 at 1:30pm
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OK founf a hockey channel, maybe an old game ? I am not into hockey, but anyway. OKwow --- bright white almost burned my eyes !!! ( my living room is really dark) There is a weird look , Don't really know how to explain it. Once in a while when the screen is mostly white smaill portions of the screen seem sorta grey ? I really dont know how to explain more than that. It appears as the entire scene is really bright white and then small areas look alittle grey or like staticy ? ODD. It is not a large area just small bits that apear this way __ around the edges mostly --- sorry I can't explain better , maybe if I can get a pic of it, i will try .

god bless


Tony you or one of the few different owners Should create an owners thread now that you own the television
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post #230 of 267
3/18/12 at 4:04pm
great idea, I will do this now. thx.

god bless
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post #231 of 267
3/18/12 at 4:12pm
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OK founf a hockey channel, maybe an old game ? I am not into hockey, but anyway. OKwow --- bright white almost burned my eyes !!! ( my living room is really dark) There is a weird look , Don't really know how to explain it. Once in a while when the screen is mostly white smaill portions of the screen seem sorta grey ? I really dont know how to explain more than that. It appears as the entire scene is really bright white and then small areas look alittle grey or like staticy ? ODD. It is not a large area just small bits that apear this way __ around the edges mostly --- sorry I can't explain better , maybe if I can get a pic of it, i will try .

god bless

Sounds like macroblocking in the source material/transmission.
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post #232 of 267
3/18/12 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

Sounds like macroblocking in the source material/transmission.

A good hockey test that I've heard of is to use "Miracle" on Blu-Ray (or DVD even). Or some other hockey movie (Mighty Ducks?).
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post #233 of 267
3/19/12 at 3:35am
Any specification news? How does the PNE8000 series compares to the Kuros 8G/9G?
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post #234 of 267
3/19/12 at 3:47am
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Originally Posted by blutarsky View Post

Any specification news? How does the PNE8000 series compares to the Kuros 8G/9G?

It's better.
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post #235 of 267
3/19/12 at 3:48am
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It's better.

Uh, what?
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post #236 of 267
3/19/12 at 3:49am
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Originally Posted by HearingImpaired View Post

It's better.

What specs? Any tested unit?
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post #237 of 267
3/19/12 at 3:56am
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Uh, what?

lol
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post #238 of 267
3/19/12 at 3:57am
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Originally Posted by blutarsky View Post

What specs? Any tested unit?

It's got 3d and internet widgets the Pioneer doesn't.
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post #239 of 267
3/19/12 at 3:58am
As far as picture quality I have never seen either.
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post #240 of 267
3/19/12 at 4:02am
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It's better.

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As far as picture quality I have never seen either.

I hate the internet sometimes.
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