or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Industry Area › HDMI Q&A - The One Connector World › Help finding 4x6 or 4x8 Matrix Switcher?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Help finding 4x6 or 4x8 Matrix Switcher?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Trying to set up a clubhouse that currently has 5 displays and 4 HDMI input sources. We may expand to 6 displays in the near future. I would like to find an AFFORDABLE matrix switcher that would accommodate that configuration. Several of the displays are under 25 ft from the sources, but at least 2 will likely be around 30 to 50 ft away.

I was thinking maybe I could get a 4x4 matrix switcher and take one of the outputs from it into a 1x2 or 1x4 splitter to get the extra displays? would that work? Or would the signal be blocked?

Any advice or help appreciated!!
post #2 of 14
What's 'affordable' in terms of this project?

Do you require the functionality of a Matrix or could you live with a 4x1 Switch feeding a 1x8 DA?

Joe
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
preferably looking for a total solution to get all 4 input sources and all 5 displays connected (including cables) under (or as close to) $1200.

Need to be able to show at least two different sources on a mix of the 5 displays (i.e. 1x3 + 1x2 or just 1x5) so I think a matrix is needed somewhere in the mix. I've found 4x4 matrix's that are affordable, what I don't know is if i took one of the four outputs and routed into a simple 1x2 or 1x4 splitter if it would work. That would give me what I need and still be affordable. Otherwise I think I need a 4x6 or a 4x8 which I haven't seen for anything close to affordable...
post #4 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystic1 View Post

preferably looking for a total solution to get all 4 input sources and all 5 displays connected (including cables) under (or as close to) $1200.

Need to be able to show at least two different sources on a mix of the 5 displays (i.e. 1x3 + 1x2 or just 1x5) so I think a matrix is needed somewhere in the mix. I've found 4x4 matrix's that are affordable, what I don't know is if i took one of the four outputs and routed into a simple 1x2 or 1x4 splitter if it would work. That would give me what I need and still be affordable. Otherwise I think I need a 4x6 or a 4x8 which I haven't seen for anything close to affordable...

Are all of the monitors the same capabilities (preferably same model)?
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
Same capabilities, resolutions, etc. not all exactly the same.
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
We have 2 satellite receivers, 1 blu-ray player, and 1 Apple-TV. We need to be able to have 2 separate games on or a combo of 1 satellite and the Apple-TV or other combos, but never more than two sources at any time.
post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 
Anyone?
post #8 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystic1 View Post

Anyone?

Sorry - been working on other things.

OK, you're planning for 6 displays of equal capabilities (so no 3D unless all have 3D). On these 6 displays you will have 4 different input sources. To make things more interesting two of the displays are between 30 and 50 feet of HDMI cable away from the switcher.

You're right, a 4x8 matrix would be your best bet, which is not cheap. What makes it worse is that if you wanted, in the future, to go to 3D or 4K on a single TV, you would have to throw away the matrix switcher to get there.

The only thing in your favor is that since the TVs all have the same capability (I'm assuming the same HDMI revision number or close), then you don't need EDID spoofing.

I can't see anything that gets you out of 4 inputs for the matrix switcher. However, if you used a 1x4 HDMI distribution amp on one of the matrix switcher outputs, you *may* be able to limit yourself to a 4x4 matrix. Again, this assumes very similar capabilities between the monitors. Unfortunately the only way to find out would be to try it.

I use a very cheap ACCELL distribution amp I found at Fry's to feed a computer output to an Octava matrix and a computer display and it is reliable. This is backwards of what you want, but it shows it can be done. Just make sure you have a good return policy where ever you purchase, since this is under the "complex" category of HDMI.

As far as distance is concerned, you'll probably work OK at 1080p/60 as long as the 50' cables are good quality (not high price but good quality) - 24 awg or so. If you want to be absolutely sure, look for a matrix switcher than also converts to Cat 5e/6 cable. It should be easy to find a few 4x4 matrix switchers that also convert.
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I'll look at those options. After checking distances, it turns out at least one of the drops is about 65' away - so I think cat5e is the way to go. At least for that one.
post #10 of 14
Your budget is very tight!

Choose carefully and you can have a 4x4(+4) Matrix with 1 x HDMI + 1 x dual RJ45 Output per zone for 1.8k USD (Inc. 4 x In-room Receivers).

Assuming you can live with 4 Mirrored' pairs of Displays you can have 4 Outputs using HDMI cables (I'd go up to 15m) plus 4 x extended' over 2 x screened CAT6.

The Matrix is 3D compliant and includes user selectable and programme EDID modes so ought to last you a few years - it also includes PoC (Power over Cable) to deliver power to the 4 Receiver units over the CAT6 cables from the Matrix!

Joe
post #11 of 14
I realize this is an older thread, but I'll post a reply anyway as it "just may" be of assistance to someone else someday as they search this forum for a similar situation...
At my venue we had eight satellite receivers, NTN/Buzztime Trivia Network, our DJ/VJ booth for the music videos & ad screens we ran, plus standard cable TV as our backup to satellite & for local sports...a total of 10 (11 with cable) video/audio sources and 22 screens...I really wanted a full matrix system, but due to budgetary reasons we opted to use two "ChannelPlus model 5545 quad digital modulator with ir output" units and one "CableTronix CTARM-25V" unit which had all all of the previously mentioned ten video-ins run through them and tied into our video coax lines -- each video-in was assigned a non-existing TV channel -- ie: Satellite 1=117, Satellite 2=119, Satellite 3=121, Satellite 4=123, Satellite 5=125, Satellite 6=127, Satellite 7=129, Satellite 8=131, NTN/Buzztime=67, DJ/VJ Booth=69. I hope this gives someone a different idea sometime. [note: apprx four years ago I closed my sports bar in the black as I had a son & my family is my top priority -- between my entertainment companies and family, I am busy enough without all the hours the bar took! LOL]
post #12 of 14
Interesting solution and a good way to distribute TV over coax. The problem you'll see in this forum is that most people are trying to distribute high definition TV with multichannel audio. Pretty much every sports bar these days has to include a high definition feed or some customers will notice. The equipment you listed was for standard definition only and used composite video and s-video inputs, unfortunately.

Modulators for high definition run a minimum of about $600 per channel. That makes it prohibitive for many places wanting to run 10 channels to all sources in HD. However, it does eliminate much of the handshaking issues since all of the modulators I've seen only accept HD component video inputs.

Unfortunately HDMI distribution (whether over HDMI cable or Cat 6), with it's handshaking issues, is becoming more and more the standard for distribution of HD signals (and the only way if the source is a Blu-Ray disc with a newer player).

One of the cheaper HD modulators is shown here (Channel Plus 5415HD):
http://www.amazon.com/Channel-Plus-5415HD-Single-Channel-Modulator/dp/B004VFFXC0
post #13 of 14
^^^

the Channel Plus 5415HD is a good single channel 720p modulator: I saw a significant improvement in distributed PQ over a conventional SD modulator

only drawback is fan noise: it is extremely noisy
post #14 of 14
Hi guys, it is kinda easy & inexpensive to combine a few cheap matrix switch into one more complex better switch. I have a bar and have, so to say "developed" a 4 x 32 matrix switch. The way I did is I bought eight 4x4 matrix switches from monoprice (part # 8151) at the price of $297 a piece and 4 pawere hdmi splitters (monoprice part # 8205) at the price of $73.45 a piece. - This switch transports audio/video over two cat6 lines easily up to 131 fee - they also have a cheaper switch ($175) that transports video over hdmi. So this is what I did: I labeled my switches 1, 2, 3, ... 8. I had four direct tv boxes and split the ouputt from each over a 1x8 hdmi splitter. Output from each hdmi splitter was routed to (make sure you use flat hdmi cables - or it can be messy), to each of the 4x4 matrix switch - so matrix switch will have an input from each of the four splitters and would any of the remaining 7 matrix switches. Now output from matrix switch 1 was routed to the first four tvs which were labelled as tvs 1A, 1B, 1C & 1D. Similarly switch 2, fet TVs 2A, 2B, 2C & 2D - so on and so fourth. Only one caviat - you can not use the remotes to change the channels - however, all my switches are in the audio/video room and have a nice on-the-front channel changing switch. Any of the 32 tvs (1A to 8D) can display any of the four channels being show on my direct tv boxes - Good Luck
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
AVS › AVS Forum › Industry Area › HDMI Q&A - The One Connector World › Help finding 4x6 or 4x8 Matrix Switcher?