List of Reference Level, High Sensitivity & SPL Speakers - Page 4

Understood, as that is often all you have. Except it may not be accurate (cough cough ) and is often stated as an "av(era)g(e)". At what frequency? Over what bandwidth on axis? Remember, the loudspeakers (on axis) response is not flat, but varies. And it's radiation in 3D. Into a room.


Understood again, but also WAGing . I know this is meant to be a "ballpark" and to be quite honest, is "somewhat correct", but there are a huge amount of variables that an lead to erroneous inferences and conclusions.


I speed read the thread, not sure who/what Dennis said, but the propagation loss calculations you are using are on axis for unbounded (free) space., not a confined, lossy, reverberant room, which tends to "unsimplify" things.


No. It's ballparking with a great many missing factors. Don't get me wrong though. A SH-50 (or 3 across the front stage) is going to be stupendously perceptibly louder (and more "dynamic") than a Paradigm (Model here) Floorstander. At least prior to the onset of catastrophic permanent hearing loss .


That's cool. just add as many caveats as you (or I) can. One nice resource is Soundstage loudspeaker measurements, using the NRC. Of note are the "Deviation from linearity at XdB and above" type measurements.
But ultimately, what is measured in situ...and the perceived loudness requirements of the individual is what matters, not necessarily a numbers game.

cheers,

AJ

p.s. I'll proofread later

Gee Eyleron you have nearly out down yourself. Thanks for taking the time to compile such a list. Wowser

I'd suspect that's because they are "tools for a job" and the people putting the job together need to know the right ingredients so they can do the job correctly.

Start to consistently mislead on the ingredients and the people putting the job together keep getting screwed....I'd say your sales might start to suffer.

If instead, your tools are accurate to their intended (advertised) uses, then you would have happier customers.

Speculation on my part

The Klipsch KLF-30, 20, 10 & C7 are no longer available per their website.

Ignorance is bliss, .... moving between the high end two channel, state of the art pro audio rigs, mid-fi home stuff, the world of studio monitoring, and trade shows such as CEDIA, I've seen and am convinced that the vast majority of knowledgeable enthusiasts have little clue as to how compressed typical loudspeakers can be. Accurate dynamic tracking of the signal, top to bottom throughout the spectrum, is a wonderful thing to behold, and gets one closer to the ultimate realism.

As to Salk's Pharos sensitivity, I don't know. The drivers are all well vetted, available units. It's not design I'd classify a very high sensitivity, however it's higher than many designs, and likely high enough for the environment for which it's designed.

Thanks for your work

I know their sensitivity is high but not sure of the program or peak ratings.

Eyleron;
Great job you've done here compiling the info.
Shows there is so much to this hobby, and having information and making informed choices is a big part of it.

Thx for doing this for the AVS community.
A starting point for people getting into the hobby, and making decisions that affect budget, performance, listening sessions before buying, etc.

fwiw
My current speaker set-up is circia late 2007, and the knowledge I had then - reading Sound&Vision/other "HT mags"; Paradigm v5.0 Frt Monitor Series 9, Center CC-390, Rear/back surrounds ADP-390. Works, for me, but if I had "better" information, or done more research, probably would have picked a different scheme.

I've negotiated 2014/2015 as HT upgrade time....hopefully someone will keep your great work going till then..........

1 vote from me to add this to the Setting Up Your Home Theater Audio 101 sticky.....DrPainMD's the thread owner

Awesome list, thanks for putting this together. If I ever build a dedicated theater, I'm using this list to help guide me!

Just adding another speaker from Klipsch. I use the Klipsch Epic CF3's. The specs state 100dB at 1 watt, up to 250 watts continuous with 1000 watt peaks. Their price to performance is quite high.

The topic includes "low distortion," so what is the thd on these various speakers?

Thanks for this thread! I have been looking at many Pro speakers, as my HT room is pretty large. Standard towers aren't cutting it. That being said, I'm also a thrifty guy. I am waiting on the SEOS stuff from ErichH, but what do you guys thinks of the following speakers and how they may fit in here;
EV ELX112
Yamaha Club series
Behringer B212XL or the 215 (15")

I may have messed up those model #s, as I've looked at so many now! The specs are decent on these, just not sure about the reference and distortion specs.

I saw much higher peak DB output on the qsc K and kw serieson the qsc website. Are the manufacturer specifications inflated?

I'll see what I can wrangle up from qsc

I don't intend for this to come of as lobbying for "my speaker", but here goes a thought that might be value to someone. It was a deciding factor in my choice.

In looking at the scores associated with the price penalty, I got to thinking of an anomaly in the list. Since the Klipsch Heritage have been in production for roughly a half century, the used market is rich with fine examples. For instance, on about any given day you can find the La Scala for $500 per speaker. That would greatly change the price penalty for that model.

I might guess that 50% or more of buyers in that price range are considering the used market. Maybe it starts opening up too many variables? In any case, it would be a very real variable in making a purchasing decision.

Is the third column 'Discontinued' and if there is a 'D' there then that speaker is not made anymore?

If so, then typo on the Klipsch Jubilee. It is not discontinued. In fact, a fine chap living in Toronto ordered a pair just last week.... in Cherry.

Nice work Eyleron, this is a very nice compilation of data and should be helpful to anyone looking to build out a high performance HT.

Adding a few more Danley models would be a good idea (i.e. SH-50, SM-60 and?). The active speakers may be getting a short shrift in the "Price Weighted" column but then you can't account for every variable.

Again, nice work and thanks for the effort (perfect winter project for someone living in Minot ) . I think this should be a Sticky Thread.

I personally would not mind buying used. Heck, my LaScalas are over 30 years old and STILL going strong. If I were buying them used, I'd just want to get decent cabinets instead of some run over by a truck. You can fix everything else. Ironically, just as soon as I say that, I realize I bought my LaScalas new, my three Academy's new, Promedia's new, Custom 3's new (two pair) and the Jubilee's new.


The Jubilee as the current 2-way home owners are using it is NOT a standard SKU in the Klipsch lineup. It's a special order. (how many companies will take their black cinema speaker & dress it up in Walnut or Cherry for you?)

So you can't go 100% by the website when you look at the Jubilee. The speaker most are using is the bass bin (which is the "Jubilee"). We are then keeping the midrange horn but dropping the midrange driver. Then we drop the tweeter horn and move the tweeter driver, down to the midrange horn. (actually they come delivered this way)

So for residential use, we are using the bass bin shown on the commercial lineup but, using the tweeter driver on the midrange horn.

Don't let that mislead you. They sound fantastic and will pin your ears back if you want them to AND sound fantastic while doing it. When using active, the tweeter is crossed to at 380hz.

So you don't need to worry about the Jubilee being discontinued. Truth be told it was never officially offered for residential use and still isn't 'officially' offered. There are one or two hurdles that one needs to surmount between making the decision to buy a pair (or quad as someone has done), and flipping out your credit card to have them arrive several weeks later at your front door.

As for pricing, none of their commercial stuff shows prices. That is up to the end vendor and their proposals. This is where someone needs to be careful and not pretend to know everything and defer to those who might know more.

Your pricing above is close enough since you have it listed for a single speaker. To date, there are about 26 owners and I'm only aware of three buyers who for various reasons, needed to sell. Point being, to wait for these to come to the used market is futile.

One of the original owners who had to sell did so because he was diagnosed with some kind of tumor by his nearing nerve and will be losing his hearing. Unfortunate. I say that to point out that not everyone who sold them did so to find greener pastures.