Lol - I am a bass nut, what can I say?
I am the friend that Archea is referring to. I have researching subs this year and really would like to figure out which dual sub combo is best for home theater, in the $4,000 or less category. First, a little history of my listening experiences thus far:My first and only subwoofer that I ever owned from 2007-2007
: M&K Professional MPS 5410 (Dual 12" 400 Watt Push/Pull System).First subwoofers heard this year
: TJHUB's dual DIY LMS-5400's (Heard with JTR Triple 12 HT-lp's and Seaton Catalyst 12C's for L/C/R).Subs heard at JTR's Open House
: Dual Cap 1000's and Dual Orbit Shifters (Heard with JTR Triple 12 HT-lps for L/C/R)Subs heard at warpdrv's GTG
: 3 dual opposed DIY LMS-5400's (6 drivers total) in 36" tall cabinets (Heard with Paradigm Signature S8's L/R and Signature C5 center channel).Subs heard at lbrown105's house on 2 occassions
: Single Orbit shifter plus other/smaller subs in system (Heard with JTR Triple 12 HT-lp's L/R and Triple 8 HT-lp for center channel)
Now, to break down my listening experiences of the above subs, I have heard the DIY LMS-5400's sound fantastic, but have also experienced them bottom out due to being pushed too hard in bass heavy scenes. For that reason and also due to not having enough know-how with a DIY project, I have focused on name brand subwoofers by 2 primary companies: JTR and Seaton.
Thus far, I have only had the pleasure of listening to 2 of the JTR subs in different listening environments. I heard dual Cap 1000's and then dual Orbit Shifters at the JTR Open House. There is no doubt that the dual Orbit Shifters produced huge SPL, but my feeling at the time was that the dual Cap 1000's were better integrated into the JTR system. It was my feeling at the time that dual
Orbit shifters may have been too much for the room, and that the demo room that we heard the movie clips could have benefited from acoustical treatments. It appeared to me that this crossed the line between having too much bass and was just not comfortable to listen to.
I was fortunate to meet a board member at the JTR open house who has JTR speakers, a single Orbit Shifter, along with a few other subs integrated in his sealed room. He has quite a few acoustical treatments in his room and a fantstic demo space, but it should be noted that he does not have Audyssey room correction. In any event, his Orbit Shifter is doing its thing in his room, but for my tastes, I would want even more bass.
So, thus far, my experience in different settings are that the Orbit Shifters can produce scary SPL levels if pushed to it. At the same time, I have heard 2 Orbit Shifters seem like too much in a non-treated room and 1 shifter seem like not quite enough in a well-treated room without Audyssey.
I have been attempting to arrange a demo with dual Seaton Submersives, which I have yet to hear. I am hoping for the opportunity to hear them in the next month or so, but I am wondering if the Submersives won't be enough to satisfy me when I know that there are bigger brothers being worked on: Terraform XL and the Submersive XL.
If there is such a thing, as carp suggests, as there being less head-room with the Submersives, I have to think that this would be a non-issue with 6,000 watt Goliath monster subwoofers