Funny the types that are attracted to "serious 12 year old girl arguments"...
But then such mature erudite folks who use "wow" and "wtf" in posts and feel compelled to comment on the exchanges between "12 year old girl(s)" are probably ignorant of the penchant big has for following others around pretending to act as social arbiter.
Sorry Matt, but I fear you are just a bit too old and mature for me.
...But hey, you never know, big may be into old trolls like you.
Originally Posted by Jetmeck
... Telling me what I can and cannot sell on Craigslist is not Monster Cable or any other manufacturer right !
There may very well be grey market issues on Craigslist but lets not address those speciifically but **** with even the honest guy ?
Makes perfect sense just like the whole we must be all pirates deal with HDMI and the like. Example is down rezzing HD in certain products and making it illegal to sell a convertor like HDFURY
for those of us with older rear projection sets. I mean were all guilty of piracy or selling gry market gear so penalize us all instead of dealing with the guilty few.
Originally Posted by a_ok2me
The petition was posted by craiglist, not some individual poster.
They do. I've experienced it firsthand and brought it to their attention, but they choose not to do anything about it.I've purchased items from unauthorized distributors. At some point in the chain, it came from the manufacturer.
I assume there are many possibilities. But an example, the manufacturer sells it to an authorized distributor at wholesale, who in turn sells it at a retail discount representing to be a different entity. Or you have authorized dealers selling it to unauthorized zones online for a retail discount, which I've seen on this forum.
In any case, as long as there is demand, sellers will always find ways to make a sale whether it's legal or not.
And if I buy something, I'd like the right to sell it for whatever price I want since it is mine, even if I was a retailer.
And isn't it funny to listen to such righteous indignation of those who hallucinate that someone is telling them what they can or can't buy???
Are you aware that the gray market is NOT illegal - despite what a business like Craigslist that has actively enabled and supported the advertising by hookers may allege?
And have you even read a synopsis of what SOPA and PIPA propose (however imperfectly) to do? Obviously not! As you stomp about making pronouncements based upon totally fanciful assumptions based on the claims of a site who does not want to become subject to policing itself... Oh, but what does THAT
have to do with SOPA?????
And while SOPA proposes expanding the ability of U.S. law enforcement and copyright holders to fight online trafficking of copyrighted intellectual property and counterfeit goods by shutting down sites that facilitate such dealings, SOPA does not propose to necessarily make such grey market behavior illegal!
But SOPA does propose to extend and hold online sites responsible for self-policing their site as they are responsible for enabling the marketing of goods that may not be legitimate or that are represented as being legitimate and which carry a manufacturers' warranty. And thus they cannot turn a blind eye to marketers who simply advertise such goods complete with all of the associated good will that comes with a brand and then leave the buyer hanging if there is a problem who buys a product that due to the 'novel' distribution channel (or the fact that it may be counterfeit) is not supported by the manufacturer.
But just like Craigslist likes to pretend that it has no idea what individuals may advertise for on their site, they likewise want no responsibility for what others may advertise on their site as they rake in the money acting like a wide eyed innocent surprised that one might dare use their site for anything less than honest behavior! Can you imagine?????
Sure, YOU demand the right to sell whatever you like to anyone. Do you also assume full responsibility if the buyer experiences a problem with the item? So what about the poor fools who buy what is represented as authentic product who then discover that there is a problem and now expect the manufacturer, whose merits you or the seller have touted in selling the item as authentic, to pick up your slack when you are suddenly not around to refund the money? You see, part of the responsibilities of being an "authorized dealer" may legally involve addressing such obligations.
But then I expect folks like you to be among the first to cry about that and demand to know what the proverbial "they" will do to protect you who thought you were getting ahead by making such a deal if you are the buyer.... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
But then, there were lots of folks like you who bought what they FELT were legitimate drugs from Canada advertised via Google. Of course, that is why Google just had to pay a $500 million settlement with the Department of Justice for its role in a scheme to target U.S. consumers with ads to buy illegal prescription drugs from Canadian pharmacies.
Gee, I wonder why Craigslist who has allowed ANYTHING to be advertised, legal or illegal, would have problems with SOPA? Can we say they anticipate being shut down????? This isn't about Monster, its about Craigslist's manner of conducting business.
As I mentioned earlier, do a bit more research into how the gray market works and stop misrepresenting the realities of that market and making assumptions about what companies are doing based upon some unsubstantiated allegations by a party who themselves are not exactly known for supporting ethical behavior. But then who knows, one may have come across the petition while perusing Craigslist for personal services...
The fact is, Craigslist is afraid of being held accountable for the crap that gets posted on their online site, as such sites stand to be shuttered by virtue that they do not police themselves per the terms of SOPA, as they function as enablers of such behavior, which is often, but not necessarily, a scam. But its amazing that you NEVER get around to establishing a nexus as to just why Craigslist suddenly has its
panties in a wad over SOPA, do you?
And you can't understand why any legitimate business would not want to become embroiled in the lack of good will that results in someone being taken in such a venue by someone falsely representing their product? And why NO legitimate company does? Oh, but since they mentioned "Monster" that's different - the emotional knee jerk reaction engages and the mind stays in neutral.
I wonder, who do you call and complain to if the goods are not what you expected? Craigslist? The Better Business Bureau? Or does one just whine in forums like this that they got taken in the same way that they thought they were getting ahead had things gone they way they had hoped?
And if you think all of the goods sold are authentic, you obviously have never been to SEG in Shenzhen or the Commercial City or Dongmen Street Markets in Luohu (Shenzhen), the electronics and mobile market next to the Pearl River in Guangzhou, or the Cybermart in Shanghai, or the electronics mart 'under the bridge'
Hint: don't; ...as you have "easy mark" written all over you. But then you probably also have the whacked idea that all Chinese markets are rip offs and that you can't find some absolutely amazing deals if you employ due diligence. But why do I get the feeling that instead of exiting a winner that you would exit a whiner?