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post #301 of 522
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Originally Posted by carlm9 View Post

I replaced a pair of HP's with a single powered Cap and never looked back. The HP's blended better with music but Cap had much more output. I have since added an S2 and it has the output, and then some, of the Cap and also blends much better with music. More output than you could ever need.i never even turned the Cap back on.

According to carlm9 the S2 offers accuracy for music like the Submersive HP, but has a lot more output. It seems like this is the best value for me as it's only $500 more than a Submersive HP. I would consider the Terraform line, but those aren't available yet and I'm assuming even the standard Terraform would be a lot more than $3000.

My room isn't quite so big now, but eventually I will move out. If I need more in the future I could upgrade to 2 S2s or consider the Terraform line.
post #302 of 522
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

While there's no question the pair of 18" drivers could move more air than a pair of 15", for sealed subwoofers the box size(volume) matters in allowing any additional potential to be realized. The smaller the box, the more power you need, and the stiffer the driver, the more power you need in the same size box. The S2 is only 25% larger than the SubMersive, and the SubMersive's woofers are more efficient at low frequencies. That leaves the S1 with the same power amp, stiffer driver, and only 63% the box volume. I would argue the delta from SubMersive HP to S2 should not be expected to be 2x.
When looking at the KC blind comparison, I could also point to the fact that the Orbit Shifter was not perceived to be any stronger than the SubMersive, so it must have comparable output, right? rolleyes.gif The response curves Audyssey created when being re-run for each set of subs made for a significant part of what was compared, and we did not push the subs. The subs either could hang at the volume which was selected for every one to be played back at or they couldn't. The listening confirmed meeting a threshold, but in no way determined maximum capabilities. This was very clearly demonstrated when Jeff was allowed to later crank up the pair of Orbit Shifters. eek.gif
Back to the fun of want/need... wink.gif

Mark,

Does the fact that the same amp is powering two drivers in Submersive HP and one (larger) driver in S1 play any role (in terms of the output)?

Also, I am sure that the question of Submersive HP vs. S2 will be raised again in these forums, so we could all use a little more help. In your estimates what's a realistic ballpark delta between the two subs. 25%, 50%, more?

Truly appreciate your help!
post #303 of 522
Logicaters
If this helps
On the Seaton sound forum the thread about Submersive XL he goes into a little more detail.
Check back 3-5 pages and you will find it.
I have a pair of Subm HP'S and would be just as happy with a pair of S2's. at this level its all good.
They both have such strong points and very little if any negatives. Most people cannot use either to full potential because Audyssey level matches
with the amp being turned on one or two clicks. that is barely even on.
If I were only getting one it would be the S2. Multiples at a reasonable price Subm HP's.
When comparing the $$$$ difference base HP against base S2 with shipping starts at $750. and Black Oak is over a grand difference.
Good Luck
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 10/27/12 at 8:37am
post #304 of 522
I have duals S2's and can confirm they are spectacular for music and movies. Jeff's customer service is also top notch and will always take care of you. If you're in Central Iowa any time let me know and you can come feel them for yourself.

David
post #305 of 522
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

I have duals S2's and can confirm they are spectacular for music and movies. Jeff's customer service is also top notch and will always take care of you. If you're in Central Iowa any time let me know and you can come feel them for yourself.
David

I'm pretty interested in what you think of the Quad UXLs tomorrow. I would expect them to be comparable if not fairly exact to your experience to the pair of S2s. The pair of S2s would probably be in their place if a) I wasn't so interested in DIY and b) I would have waited until after Archaea's GTG to start buying the pieces.

Either way, interested to know your opinions.
post #306 of 522
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Originally Posted by David H. View Post

Cool, thanks for the responses guys!

Jedirun I look forward to reading your review since I'll probably be ordering something next week.

I finally got the S2 hooked up today and I have to say, it is pretty amazing.

For reference, my room is 14x15' with 7.5' foot ceilings.

The S2 and T8's are behind an AT screen.

I didn't run Audyssey because I lost my mic in the move and I am waiting for a replacement one from Onkyo.

First, I had to take turn the gain all the way to zero and then I had to turn the level to -14 so to get it to a reasonable volume with my T8's at -8.

I listened to a range of music from metal, to pop and hard rock to classical.

It excelled at everything. Every note was perfectly clear, even at levels far above normal listening volumes.
post #307 of 522
By the way, does the amp for the S2 go into standby mode when there is no signal or do I have to find another way to turn it off? (12v trigger, remotely switched switched surge protector...)
post #308 of 522
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

By the way, does the amp for the S2 go into standby mode when there is no signal or do I have to find another way to turn it off? (12v trigger, remotely switched switched surge protector...)

I asked Jeff the same question when I called to order my S2 and he said that when the sub is not being used it uses very little power so I could safely leave it on all the time.
post #309 of 522
Thanks. I was worried I was going to be using 4000 watts around the clock.
post #310 of 522
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

Thanks. I was worried I was going to be using 4000 watts around the clock.

I leave my dual Orbit Shifters (same amps) on most of the time and it only costs me a couple hundred a month ...


kidding tongue.gif

It is equivalent to running a 100w light blub so while not ideal, it isn't that punitive. Be careful on the current sensing power strips. These are usually lightweight 15amp max and might restrict current the S2 needs.
Edited by RMK! - 10/29/12 at 7:29am
post #311 of 522
I spoke with Jeff and he recommended the Orbit Shifter to me since half of the reason I'm getting a sub is for music production (virtually always above 20 Hz), although the sub will still spend a lot of time working in the home theater department. He said that's the sub that has the "wow factor". So it looks like because the Orbit Shifter is 6 dBs louder, it will be like adding another sub.

I'm leaning that way now. Anybody have anything to say about one S2 compared with one Orbit Shifter? My understanding is that the OS is sealed with a horn design, so it's about as accurate for music as the sealed S2.

Also, what's the difference between the LF and the LFU? The LFU looks like it's larger and goes down a few more Hz.
post #312 of 522
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Originally Posted by David H. View Post

I spoke with Jeff and he recommended the Orbit Shifter to me since half of the reason I'm getting a sub is for music production (virtually always above 20 Hz), although the sub will still spend a lot of time working in the home theater department. He said that's the sub that has the "wow factor". So it looks like because the Orbit Shifter is 6 dBs louder, it will be like adding another sub.
I'm leaning that way now. Anybody have anything to say about one S2 compared with one Orbit Shifter? My understanding is that the OS is sealed with a horn design, so it's about as accurate for music as the sealed S2.
Also, what's the difference between the LF and the LFU? The LFU looks like it's larger and goes down a few more Hz.

Jeff has been consistent in saying (when pressed) that the OS is his favorite subwoofer. The S models were in response to folks wanting a sealed alignment and by all accounts the S1's and 2's are excellent. I would take his recommendation and don't look back.

Regarding the LF vs LFU you are correct. Regarding LF's extension, my dual OS-LF's were flat to single digits based upon Jeff's in-room measurements when they were setup. Other than a prototype, they were the first production units and still going strong (very strong) two and a half years later. If you can accommodate their LARGE size, there isn't a better commercial subwoofer on the planet. IMHO
post #313 of 522
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Originally Posted by David H. View Post

I spoke with Jeff and he recommended the Orbit Shifter to me since half of the reason I'm getting a sub is for music production (virtually always above 20 Hz), although the sub will still spend a lot of time working in the home theater department. He said that's the sub that has the "wow factor". So it looks like because the Orbit Shifter is 6 dBs louder, it will be like adding another sub.
I'm leaning that way now. Anybody have anything to say about one S2 compared with one Orbit Shifter? My understanding is that the OS is sealed with a horn design, so it's about as accurate for music as the sealed S2.
Also, what's the difference between the LF and the LFU? The LFU looks like it's larger and goes down a few more Hz.


Hi David H,

as RMK said take Jeff recommendation and don't look back, the OSLF or OSLFU has lower THD to S2 because the cone travel is lower with the same amount of the power and 6 dBs = 2 times the voltage smile.gif
post #314 of 522
Thanks for the advice! I am thinking about an Orbit Shifter LFU now. Aside from cabinet size and the LFU going a little lower in frequency, everything else is equal?
post #315 of 522
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Originally Posted by David H. View Post

Thanks for the advice! I am thinking about an Orbit Shifter LFU now. Aside from cabinet size and the LFU going a little lower in frequency, everything else is equal?

Yes, they are very similar. So much so that I wonder why he doesn't just offer the LFU confused.gif
post #316 of 522
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post


Yes, they are very similar. So much so that I wonder why he doesn't just offer the LFU confused.gif

Hi RMK,

I think because of the option of layout in different rooms. OS LFU (U stands for upright) and OSLF layout of the long side smile.gif
post #317 of 522
Cool, I think I'm gonna pull the trigger! :P

Update: Trigger has been pulled! wink.gif Orbit Shifter LFU in Matte Black
Edited by David H. - 10/31/12 at 12:07pm
post #318 of 522
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Originally Posted by David H. View Post

Cool, I think I'm gonna pull the trigger! :P
Update: Trigger has been pulled! wink.gif Orbit Shifter LFU in Matte Black

That is great David, you're gonna love the OS. Your in the Bay Area right?
post #319 of 522
Cool, thanks! smile.gif

Yeah, I live in the Los Gatos hills. Why do you ask?

By the way, I found this YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVK7adzBOh8 Hahahahahahahaha, those guys are awesome
post #320 of 522
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Originally Posted by David H. View Post

Cool, thanks! smile.gif
Yeah, I live in the Los Gatos hills. Why do you ask?

I'm only a couple of hours away. If you want to give them a listen shoot me a PM.
post #321 of 522
I am wondering if anybody in the DMV area has any JTR Captivator subs that they would be willing to demo. I'm interested in possibly an S2 or possibly dual S's, as I've heard the S subs are great.
post #322 of 522
PM sent
post #323 of 522
What is the best way to get in touch with Jeff from JTR?

I emailed him yesterday morning but have yet to hear anything back.
post #324 of 522
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

What is the best way to get in touch with Jeff from JTR?
I emailed him yesterday morning but have yet to hear anything back.

By phone usually.
post #325 of 522
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

What is the best way to get in touch with Jeff from JTR?

I emailed him yesterday morning but have yet to hear anything back.

A friend of mine e-mailed Jeff 2 or 3 times to learn more about his speakers and never heard back. The friend then contacted me and said he wasn't going to pursue dealing with Jeff because Jeff wasn't responding and he was worried about his customer support. I e-mailed Jeff and asked what if he had received these e-mails? Jeff said he had responded in each instance! I contacted the friend and relayed the news - asked the friend to check his junk mail. Yep -- Jeff's e-mails had gone to my buddy's junk mail.

As the previous poster said - if in doubt - just call Jeff. He usually gets back really quickly!
post #326 of 522
Sometimes Jeff may take a few days to respond. But as others said, he is usually reachable by phone. And wanted to also echo that Jeff will take care of issues after the sale.
post #327 of 522
Just had to post these pics of the Captivator S2 in a beautiful room with some custom Quintuple speakers that unlike the S2 tongue.gif, are a bit stealth.

Now you see them:


Now you don't:


How cool is that?
post #328 of 522
So sorry if this is a total noob question, but I'm looking at seriously upgrading my sub set up. My theater is about 2100cubic ft, and on the one side has a 6ft opening into a 10x10 area.
I'm trying to decide if I should go with single or dual subs with a budget of about $2500-$3000. I was thinking about something a cheap as dual Power Sound Audio XS15, or SVS PB12-Plus or the third option I was thinking about is a single JTR Captivator S1. And maybe a year or two down the road add a second. I've really only just stumbled onto the Captivator S1 so I've been reading everything that I can find on it.
This would pretty much be for strictly home theater use, I just don't listen to much music in my theater room. Any insight, suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
post #329 of 522
On a room that size and if you can spend $3000. then the Cap S2 would be more than you would ever need but
plenty for those rare occasions of testing it out or showing it off.
IMO the Cap S2 or The Orbit Shifter are the best ways a man can spend $3000. I also do not believe it can be "bested"
by any other subs with 3 grand being the max and not a DIY project.
You are on the right track !!
Chris
post #330 of 522
A Cap S2 would be awesome but I think it would just be a little big.
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