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post #211 of 284
I agree with you about plasma vs LCD - LED etc, - i use a plasma for my main movie room - my main concern with plasma for my bedroom was because its a brighter room and near the windows - i tried one plasma last year - LG model and was too dark - i couldnt enjoy it - returned it - being that i had a LCD here the whole time - Sony xb4 - i was afraid to try another plasma in this room - the ST50 was on my list at first - but since they didnt make it in a 42 inch size - was out of the question - 42 is pretty big for my small bedroom -

so i needed to say in the 42 inch range - which would bring me to the U50 i think from panasonic in plasma models - but i was afraid of it being too dark like the LG plasma i tried -- i agree if put side by side - the plasma would win hands done - but would it work for me in a bright room -- that is one thing i needed -- and i had to loose out on the blacks in the trade off -

do you think the U50 would work in a bright room ? near windows - as good as the ET5 model ? hard to say with out really trying it out - but in your own opinion - what do you think ? -- ET5 in a bright room near windows for reg. viewing - not serious movie watching -

compared to the U50 - in the same conditions ? that is my situation and i went with the ET5 - i just want to get some calibrated settings so i can try them out - if anyone can post some - would be helpful -

if you were in my shoes - which would you think would be best ?

thanks
post #212 of 284
If i as able to use a 50 inch model tv instead - i might have gotten the ST50 - if it was for my main movie room - i would have went Plasma for sure - once you get used to the plasma TVs - hard to go back to LCD models -
post #213 of 284
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Hi - thanks - you mention when you had == you dont have it anymore ? any bad reason ?

The 55ET5 that I got from Best Buy had some screen uniformity issues (slightly dark and bright areas across the top of the screen that were pretty evident on some content). I could have swapped for another one that might have been better, but I had just been through 2 Panny plasmas and the ET5 on my "quest" and I decided to just go back to my old SXRD since it was still working. Plus my wife was tired of the whole exercise.
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the only real drawback is the blacks - i am used to my plasma - ... i tried looking around for settings - but seems hard to find for this model TV -

Well, I was used to a rear-projection SXRD so the blacks didn't bother me that much. As for settings, I agree, there's not a lot out there as I looked as well. I don't think this line is selling very well at this point. However, I'm hoping prices will dip as time continues. I'd be happy to try another 55ET5 for ~$1000 or so. I like the passive 3D, and the relatively low input lag on this LCD.
post #214 of 284
I went to look for the UT50 model in 42 and noticed they are no longer there - i heard they stopped making them - very strange for new models that just been released - i was almost thinking of giving that one a try -

My TV PIcture is not bad at all - normal TV watching with over the air - on a blank screen - or in between changing inputs etc, the screen is not perfect - but i havnt noticed anything like bleeding etc, - during normal watching - just the black bars are not really black - with a picture on the screen its whats expected from these types of TVs -

i cant think of what else i would change this model for if i decided to do that - i got mines from amazon - but for the price i paid - 42 inch size - 3D which i really wont use - i wanted to see how it worked - and its just a plus - not really a must if all else is good -

so giving my choices - i dont see many other choices to pick from - LG would be the same as this TV - Samsung - prices are much higher - i was trying to stay around this price - a few hundred under a grand -

plasma - not much out there in this size - and the few are 720p - and i do notice the difference between 720 and 1080 - the TV is close to me - small room - at distance it would be ok - but since its close i notice it -

i have tried a LG plasmsa and it was too dark - - that leaves samsung plasma at 720p left - and no 3D i think - less hdmi - etc, - i am worried about the TV being too dark for my room - i got used to a bright picture in my bedroom - unlike my movie room -

i dont have a really good reason to change this TV other than the blacks - and its not perfectly even on a blank screen - with no material on - not sure what i would change this for ?

sony is more money and less TV - may be better in blacks - who knows - trying to figure out if its worth it - money wise to change etc, for a bedroom TV - with normal viewing -- i dont see a big difference with LED compared to older version of Back light - just a thinner TV is the benefit -
post #215 of 284
Where can I get some demos to try out the 3D on the ET5?

I see 3d stuff on Youtube but cant get any of it to work.

I have an HTPC hooked up as well as direct to youtube via the tv apps.
post #216 of 284
do you have the avatar in 3d ? i have yet to try 3D - i will give the Avatar disc i have a try - just to see how it works - how do you like your ET5 ?

do you have any calibrated settings you like to share ?


thanks -
post #217 of 284
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do you have the avatar in 3d ? i have yet to try 3D - i will give the Avatar disc i have a try - just to see how it works - how do you like your ET5 ?
do you have any calibrated settings you like to share ?
thanks -

I have only had the TV hooked up for about 6 hours so I have no calibration settings of any sort other than me switching it to cinema mode.

I have no bluray or Avatar. I was hoping there was something I could watch online that would be 3D, something I could watch in Windows 7 on the media PC I have hooked up.

So far my 6 hour impression is that I have no complaints. The viewing angles, which was what was most important to me since I watch the TV from the floor with it on a 4 ft shelf, are just what I wanted, no noticeable change when I am laying on the floor or standing in front of it.
post #218 of 284
i needed a bright TV for my bedroom - and like the POP look for this Room - but only downside i see are the blacks - not great - but i dont have light bleeding - where it bothers the viewing

i do have some corner lighter in shade - but not really light bleeding - depends on the angle - and how high you have the back light - you can improve it with lower back light -


what do you think of the blacks when watching in the dark ?


i cant seem to find anyone with this TV who has calibrated settings i can try - i wonder if anyone else even owns this TV -

seems like no one owns it - pictures wise its not bad at all - - with a full screen bright picture - good input signal - the TV looks very good -

i am just used to plasma blacks - thats all it comes down to - i need to adjust to this level of black - like to know others input also on the blacks
post #219 of 284
Has anyone been able to watch 3D Youtube content on the passive 3D models of these sets? I can't figure out how to get it to work.
post #220 of 284
i havnt tried 3D yet -- i tried Youtube - its kinda of slow and not that great really - i didnt even know you can get 3D youtube videos ? i am going to try 3D blu ray later tonight just to see how it works -

over all i am more impressed with this TV now - the blacks are not great - but seem to be close to even - - i notice on one side corner its a bit more - this is only at night time in the dark - - i figured the best way to work around that is with Cinema mode - which is pretty nice in the dark at night - i even lowered the backlight some also - blacks improve - at least according to my eye - i still have a few weeks before i have to decide to keep it or not - but i am leaning on keeping it - i read too many other issues with the other brands - etc, -

most may give deeper blacks which is great - but hear other issues - and more flashlight on the corners - its a crap shoot - if your lucky - you may get a great set with good blacks and no other issues - i think i work around the weak blacks on this set - since the PQ is pretty nice

once i past the return date - and really keep it - last thing i will add is a LED Light kit on the rear of the TV - that would help the blacks alot at night - so i think between using Cinema mode with the light kit - should work enough not to make it bother me -

during the day - i use the standard settings with the CATS - off - need a bright during the day - at night - Cinema -

i post back once i try out the 3D - still no one with settings for this TV ?
post #221 of 284
I *may* have figured out the 3D thing.

640

After pushing the 3D button there is a manual 3D mode selection menu that can be accessed by pushing the red button.

Going to get a chance to play around with it more tonight, just discovered this was possible right before I left for work today.
post #222 of 284
is that the ET5 model ? i didnt get a chance to try it yet -

i dont have many settings on my TV - in the advanced section - not much there - and some are grayed out - cant change -


would anyone know what other TV brand - model would be in the same price range - even if it dosnt have 3D - ? i am still undecided if i am keeping it - i keep going back and forth on this issue - driving me crazy -
post #223 of 284
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is that the ET5 model ? i didnt get a chance to try it yet -
i dont have many settings on my TV - in the advanced section - not much there - and some are grayed out - cant change -
would anyone know what other TV brand - model would be in the same price range - even if it dosnt have 3D - ? i am still undecided if i am keeping it - i keep going back and forth on this issue - driving me crazy -

Yup, that's the ET5 I am using.

No real issues with use over the past few days, viewing angles and screen looks good. Watched everything from 4:3 SD Netflix to HD cable, some downloaded files on windows, an HD replay of the Lemans race on ESPN3, and digital photos. I am not sure what I am supposed to be finding wrong with this tv, everything looks good. Watched in both bright daylight and in a dark room at night.
post #224 of 284
glad you like it - i went to my local BB today just to take a look at a few other models i was maybe interested in - i was going to give a plasma another shot - but decided against it - all of them are 720p - and i can see the difference - i am very close to this TV - so i noticed it -

and they were too dim for me for day time use - i already knew this but was hoping these new plasmas were brighter - but the LG and Samsung were not - i cant do panny model because i need a 42 inch at most - after looking over the sammy LED - Sony and the ET5 again in BB - the panny looked the most natural out of the box - the sony did have deeper color and i would bet deeper blacks at night - sony looked much smaller at 40 inch compared to this model - after some with the person who was helping me - she was much more knowlegable than most - - a few people all said the panny had the best PQ overall - other than the blacks -

both sammy and sony didnt have 3D - which is not a deal breaker - but after watching the demo again in 3D - it was wild - so i think i will keep my ET5 - other than the weak blacks - its a very nice picture - and i may be able to work around the weak blacks with some LED lights behind the TV to off set the blacks at night -


are you using the preset settings ? or did you calibrate your TV - if you did - would you mind sharing your Calibrated Settings ?
post #225 of 284
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are you using the preset settings ? or did you calibrate your TV - if you did - would you mind sharing your Calibrated Settings ?

No, not yet.. I just set it on cinema and forgot about it. I do have a calibration DVD with some filters and such sitting next to me but I haven't bothered to use it yet. Everything looks so good compared to what I am used to that I haven't taken the next step.

I don't notice anything bad about the blacks but I am not a crazy forum person looking at my TV with a magnifying glass. I watched the last LeMan's and F1 race in HD on this thing and have decided that it's pretty much all I could want for some time.

I figured out my 3D issues (after pushing the 3D button push the red button for the advanced 3D menu) and the Netflix app works for what I need it to do.

The TV is a bit more expensive than some of the other 47" models out there but I really wanted the IPS panel guarantee, I am happy with the purchase.
post #226 of 284
sounds good - i am have to play around with the 3D also - i havnt figured it out - i have some options that are greyed out - cant figure out how to use them - i been using over the air for now - and i have a blu ray player 3D - i have to say the picture is very good with a good HD signal -

i did notice now i was able to change the HDMI - Black to either light or dark - which seemed to help the blacks - i notice the TV went right to cinema mode when i put in a blu ray - not sure if it always does that or something i hit on my remote - i want to watch it again tonigth - a blu ray and see how the blacks hold up -

sometimes i find Cinema to be too dark - and sometimes its ok - depends on material i guess -

i guess i am used to having more settings to adjust and with this TV - there really isnt any - so that kinda of threw me off a bit - but i have to say - the picture seems very good on its own with out making adjustments - i guess its ok not having the extra settings with the picture so good on its own -

if you every calibrate - if you get a chance - would you post your settings for me - i cant find any - and i am not good at doing that - never seem to get it right -

i dont find many if any other ET5 owners out there - no professional reviews - the only ones i did find were from Europe and i got thrown off since those sets over seas seems to have more settings - but we dont have the same settings - i was thinking of starting a ET5 section - to see who else is out there this model -
post #227 of 284
Well, I've read through the whole thread and didn't see the answer to my question so I'm hoping one of you Panasonic owners can help me out.

I'm considering buying the 42E50 from Amazon for $600. What I'd like to know is 4:4:4 chroma test results and, if possible, an input lag test result at 720p. If anyone here wouldn't mind helping me out I'd be most appreciative. Right now I'm on 13" Samsung CRT tv...
post #228 of 284
Take a look at post 21 in this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409036/panasonic-tc-l42e50-anyone
It refers to to test reports. The one at televisioninfo.com wore me out but maybe somewhere in there you'll find an answer.
post #229 of 284
Neither has the answer. That's too bad.
post #230 of 284
I have no idea if this means it SHOULD pass 4:4:4 or not but a manual search listed:

Photo
• JPEG files (DCF and EXIF standards)
Sub-sampling - 4:4:4, 4:2:2 and 4:2:0
Image resolution - 8 × 8 to 30,712 × 17,272 pixels

So if it can display images ... it means it should pass...? or this just means we accept 4:4:4 sub sampling and will display it with whatever we have available not 4:4:4.... technical writers should be dragged out and shot !
post #231 of 284
Excellent work sir. Yes, I agree that should mean 4:4:4; and I'm willing to bet on it with that evidence. I would still like "proof" though. That, and an input lag test. This TV is just barely cheap enough for me to pick it up.
post #232 of 284
do any of these sets have good black levels? I ask because they seem to be all IPS panel TVs, which typically have poor blacks without local dimming.
post #233 of 284
Update on my ET5 -- i tried to deal with the weak blacks and uneven screen - too much light - - i decided i am going to try a different TV - and placed an order for the Samsung EH5000 - - its a stripped down TV - no internet or 3D and only two HDMI inputs -

its not a thin TV - but its an LED full array - not edge LED which seems to have more light bleeding or uneven screens - i really liked the PQ of the ET5 - if it wasnt for the weak low contrast and blacks - i noticed my TV is lighter on one side and some corners on a blank screen - if there is a bright Picture on the TV - its fine - but once the picture is lower in light - darker movie etc, - my eye seems to always see the weakness - since i dont really need the internet - i have a Roku box if needed - and the 3D - i dont have any movies to watch in 3D - i would have to buy them - its not a big deal - i dont seem myself watching 3D movies in my bedroom -

i just want a good TV picture and blacks - i hope this samsung does just that - i will be getting it tomorrow - i hope to set it up and use over the weekend before i decide to send this ET5 back on Monday - after all this - i save close to 200 dollars also -

its a basic TV but if the reviews are so what true - i should be happy with the blacks -

i hate to do this - returns etc, - but it was bugging me with weak blacks on the ET5 - i dont know what panasonic was thinking - thin is cool but not if the PQ is affected - it may not bother most - but i am used to plasma and it bothered me once i locked my eyes on it -

i am not expecting plasma blacks - but at least even and decent blacks - its 2012 - they should have figured this out by now - i hope i made the right choice this time - i let you know if anyone is interested -
post #234 of 284
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Update on my ET5 -- i tried to deal with the weak blacks and uneven screen - too much light - - i decided i am going to try a different TV - and placed an order for the Samsung EH5000 - - its a stripped down TV - no internet or 3D and only two HDMI inputs -
its not a thin TV - but its an LED full array - not edge LED which seems to have more light bleeding or uneven screens - i really liked the PQ of the ET5 - if it wasnt for the weak low contrast and blacks - i noticed my TV is lighter on one side and some corners on a blank screen - if there is a bright Picture on the TV - its fine - but once the picture is lower in light - darker movie etc, - my eye seems to always see the weakness - since i dont really need the internet - i have a Roku box if needed - and the 3D - i dont have any movies to watch in 3D - i would have to buy them - its not a big deal - i dont seem myself watching 3D movies in my bedroom -
i just want a good TV picture and blacks - i hope this samsung does just that - i will be getting it tomorrow - i hope to set it up and use over the weekend before i decide to send this ET5 back on Monday - after all this - i save close to 200 dollars also -
its a basic TV but if the reviews are so what true - i should be happy with the blacks -
i hate to do this - returns etc, - but it was bugging me with weak blacks on the ET5 - i dont know what panasonic was thinking - thin is cool but not if the PQ is affected - it may not bother most - but i am used to plasma and it bothered me once i locked my eyes on it -
i am not expecting plasma blacks - but at least even and decent blacks - its 2012 - they should have figured this out by now - i hope i made the right choice this time - i let you know if anyone is interested -

I know what you mean about the light leakage and uniformity issues you describe. I just came back from spending an hour at my local BestBuy testing their display Panasonic 55WT50 which I was set to pick up tonight. I used a USB drive to display test patterns and I could not believe how bad the uniformity was and light leakage along the edges. Some were larger areas while others were very tight spots of bright light, it's almost as if the panel was pinched in some spots when it was being manufactured. To say it was horrible would be an understatement.

Just a heads up, the Samsung EH5000 is not a true full array set. It uses Samsungs direct-LED system which is supposed to be better than edge-lit but it's not actual full array. In theory it's supposed to address the aforementioned issues but if you look at the owners thread of the EH6000 (which has the same Direct-LED system) users there have posted pictured of severe clouding, uniformity and light leakage issues. The issues don't seem as bad but they're certainly there. If this issue really bothers you, as it does to many (myself included), then your only choices are either a plasma or a true full array LED with local dimming (e.g. Elite, HX929 etc...). The latter option is pricey.
post #235 of 284
yeah - i know not to expect too much here - i just expected a little better blacks with the ET5 - the picture is very very good - and i hope this new Samsung is just as good in that area - with better blacks - i read about the EH6000 - and read a review comparing the two

turns out the EH5000 got much better reviews over the 6000 - thats the reason i went with the lower end model - i cant do plasma for a few reasons - one i need a 40 inch or 42 at most in size - and i need it in a bright room - the one plasma i did try was last year - LG and it was so dark - i couldnt do anything to make it work - had to return it -

the higher end LED's which get good reviews etc, local dimming - are too big in size and too much money either way - not going to spend that much on a bed room TV - i have a plasma for my movies only - very happy with it -

what i expect at least from a LED TV -- is at least an even screen --- even if its not the darkest blacks - let it be even all across the board - corners etc, - if the ET5 was more even with one shade of black or dark gray at least - its even -

but i notice on one side - left side - its brighter - about half the screen - just before half the screen from top going down - a little brighter on the corner - - reason for trying the EH5000 which just arrived - very light TV -

i hope i am making the right choice

i let you know over the weekend -
post #236 of 284
I've been the owner of an L47ET5 since April, I and I've been more than happy with my purchase. Everyday picture quality is excellent. I just don't have any complaints at all with the set. The only minor issue I have is when playing back MP4's and MKV's off of the the 2TB HDD that I have connected to the ET5 via the USB port, the file selection system that Panasonic uses creates a non-watchable dummy file of each file at the front of the directory. In other words, if I have an MP4 file named "Test.Movie.mp4", I would also have another file titled "_Test.Movie.mp4" that won't play back. There is of course the correct file after that one, but when you have 20 or more movies in a directory it gets a bit unwieldy having 20 or more bogus filenames in front of the movies you want to browse through and play back. The TV also does not support soft subtitles via SRT files that I have been able to figure out. If anyone has some insight into getting subtitles quickly, and easily onto an existing MP4 or MKV file via an SRT subtitle file, I'd be eternally grateful!

Cheers!

Wineaux
post #237 of 284
Geezzz

I thought LG only did that eek.gif

Seriously , I had an LG - LM8600 { returned } that did the same thing.

I would put .jpg`s onto a USB drive and would find a blank and useless file along with my .jpg`s.

I thought it was just an LG screw-up !!

Gee aren`t new TV`s fun tongue.gif = smile.gif

Later biggrin.gif

G. 
post #238 of 284
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Geezzz
I thought LG only did that eek.gif
Seriously , I had an LG - LM8600 { returned } that did the same thing.
I would put .jpg`s onto a USB drive and would find a blank and useless file along with my .jpg`s.
I thought it was just an LG screw-up !!
Gee aren`t new TV`s fun tongue.gif = smile.gif
Later biggrin.gif
G. 

Did you return it just because of the USB file name issue or did the LG have other problems?
post #239 of 284
No , I could deal with the phantom files when using the USB drive , no big deal , a pain to be sure but not a deal breaker.

I had a heat related issue that would throw the white balance off after the set was on for long periods of time.
After say > 3 hours , every time I would change the channel I would have to readjust the contrast and color , that was a pain !

So after many hours of messing with it I had finally had enough and returned it.

Now my search continues for a new LED 3D -TV .

I know OLED`s might be coming next year and I know about the joint Sony / Panasonic foray into OLED , but I have a feeling they will be cost prohibited for a few years to come , unless Sony & Panasonic can agree on production issues dealing with etching the TFT`s associated with the assembly.

So , I don`t know , I`m just look`n and keeping my eyes and hears glued to the web and any info I can find.

Later smile.gif

Me 
post #240 of 284
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I had a heat related issue that would throw the white balance off after the set was on for long periods of time.
After say > 3 hours , every time I would change the channel I would have to readjust the contrast and color , that was a pain !
So after many hours of messing with it I had finally had enough and returned it.

That sounds like a flawed set.. not all of them have that problem or it would be a complete disaster for Panasonic.

I hope.

Or maybe no one notices?
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