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post #151 of 486
SOWK -
Can much be done in the way of calibration on a 4 year old Sony VPL 50 ? I kind of remember hearing that they don't calibrate well because of a poorly designed CMS (or none at all). I use some picture settings that may have come from you when it first came out and was a popular model on the AVS forums. Other than basic calibration, I running it without a professional calibration. It is still on the original lamp. I must be lucky because I recall lots of members complaining about the lamps not lasting more than 800 or 100 hours.

Not much new in my system. I'm up to 7 channels with the addition of two rear speakers on the rear wall 5 feet behind listening position and 6 feet off the floor. I think it does improve the perceived sense of wrapping the sound field from sides to the rear wall. Also having as set of speakers behind you improves the panning from front to rear and vice versa. Other things I've also noticed is an increase the height of some effects, and sometimes sound effects appear to float in the middle of the room between my seat and the center channel or the mains. It would seem odd, without front side or front height channel speakers, but that's what I hear. I just have plain vanilla decoding of DTS HD MA or Dolby TrueHD straight out from my BDP 51 bluray player.

Bill
post #152 of 486
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Ordered a JVC RS4810!
post #153 of 486
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Storman,

Calibration of most displays even at this point is White Balance / Gamma / Brightness / Contrast / Color Control / Tint.

Most CMS's just do not work the way they should. Best ones are in external video processors like a Lumagen.

If you have a projector close to REC 709, you should just leave it at that.

Also calibration is not for everyone, not everyone can see or appreciates the differences it may bring.

It will certainly allow you to know you are getting the most out of the display though and keeping it more accurate to the source at the same time.
post #154 of 486
Storman, He has still got them but as I said in my PM to you and I'll post it up here for folks to see, Univesity Audio did NOT have anything Monster in the actual store, apparently Ben (the owner) drop ships from the M-design warehouse in NV, where he bought up all their old stock for something like 95% off so he can definately hustle a deal better than the 70% off he is advertising on ebay at this time. I was considering getting the whole M-design Eleganza setup for upstairs and maybe something with more empahsis on sound rather than looks for the downstairs, like Monster's THX SL200 line, like the kind this ebay auctioneer is selling here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Monster-THX-Select-Certified-Speaker-Set-/150901395256?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item23226c8f38
To be honest with you, I am NOT surprised he's got all that Monster Eleganza stuff in stock, maybe $5000 subs were cool and affordable in 2005 when your house was $100-$200K more than its worth and you can cash it out and buy stuff but now osterity is the trend. Check out Pioneer Elite line, no flagship units since 2007-8, just ipod-based / ipod-related junk!!! I put my wife Ipod video onto my SC-09tx receiver and played some songs and it sounded like garbage. MP3/Ipods REALLY degrade in sound if you have a nice system. Its just like having a nice TV, u see all the imperfections in makeup of the newscasters etc... more fidelity I guess.
post #155 of 486
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Originally Posted by dfinger View Post

[SOWK].. He has all the tools and know how to get anyone's projector looking perfect. I would recommend him to anyone, and already have.
I agree. Sowk is one of the few, who knows video.
post #156 of 486
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Thank you guys. I really appriciate it.
post #157 of 486
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Ordered a JVC RS4810!
Do you have the jvs4810 yet? I would like to see it, if possible.
post #158 of 486
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Won't have it till late Nov. or Dec.
post #159 of 486
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Do you have the jvs4810 yet? I would like to see it, if possible.

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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Won't have it till late Nov. or Dec.

I think a lot of people would like to see the new JVC projector lineup!
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post #160 of 486
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Ordered a JVC RS4810!
SOWK -

Does this comment change your decision:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428036/jvc-new-projectors-announced-cedia-2012/540#post_22431190
AV Science Sales 5:
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As I reported earlier, The RS4810 does not have the new wire grid. look for this to be corrected on JVC's site.

For reference...
post #1 of thread - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428036/jvc-new-projectors-announced-cedia-2012
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The new JVC D-ILA home theater projectors will be available in November 2012 at the following prices:
DLA-X95R/DLA-RS66 $11,999
DLA-X75R/DLA-RS56 $7,999
DLA-RS4810 $5,095
DLA-X55R/DLA-RS48 $4,999
DLA-X35/DLA-RS46 $3,499

Obviously the RS4810 vs. RS56 "delta" is still large, but might not be as much for the AVS pre-order.
Just curious if that would change your mind.

Mike
post #161 of 486
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No, as I need all the brightness I can muster.

The RS45 was much brighter then the RS55, even though the specs said only 100 lumen difference.

I expect the same from the RS4810 vs RS56
post #162 of 486
What is the big deal about the new wire grid? I assume it improves contrast somewhat? If so, we are still talking about small differences. It seems to me that the big news with this year's crop of new JVC's is the switch to a DC lamp which will be used in all of their projectors. I am hoping that this will provide a significant bump in light output not to mention reliability. For me it seems like the best value would be X35/RS46, or if they turn out to have wacky colours, the X55/RS48/RS4810 asumming that the CMS permits proper calibration.
post #163 of 486
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Scott B, this is true, but for someone like me, e-shift makes a big difference.

If they didn't have E-shift I would not even be looking at JVC, and go back to the Sony VPL-VW95ES
post #164 of 486
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

No, as I need all the brightness I can muster.

The RS45 was much brighter then the RS55, even though the specs said only 100 lumen difference.

I expect the same from the RS4810 vs RS56

Do you recall what the delta was between the calibrated RS45 and RS55? I didn't see a huge difference between the 2 copies I had in my setup.
post #165 of 486
I have never seen e-shift. I have a 10' wide screen, but my first row of seating is 14.5 feet away. Not sure if e-shift would offer obvious benefit at that viewing angle. As it is, I am planning on replacing my RS1 with a Sony HW50 or JVC RS46/48. If the RS46 has crap colours OOTB, then I would go with the RS48 so long as it has a useful CMS. Unless of course I spring for the HW50. As compared to the RS1, the HW50 will be brighter and should have much more accurate colours. Not sure about the contrast, but I suspect the HW50 will have a native on-off ratio similar to the RS1 and obviously much higher if the dynamic iris is engaged.
post #166 of 486
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Rs45 was just over 1000 lumens
And my rs55 was about 775 lumens
post #167 of 486
I don't recall how many hours were on my RS45 demo, I could only muster ~900 at shortest throw.

Where do you think the difference is? was that much light lost through the e-shift sensor? Assuming the e-shift2 element is the same, do you expect the same delta between the 4810 and the 56?

I am trying to get a hold of the 4810 along with my RS56 so we can compare both models with the same hours.
post #168 of 486
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I think it may be the second iris that is in front of the lamp.

I didn't even know it had a second iris till a few days ago... Lol.
Edited by SOWK - 9/25/12 at 12:26pm
post #169 of 486
Ohh I get it, this is a PROJECTOR high-end home theater club, I need to get a projector to be part of discussion. This makes sense as to why prior posts ignored... sorry. Well so happens I do still have yet to finish the basement and I do want to go with a projector down there. In order to fit with in with theme of Pioneer Elite products I was thinking of getting the Theatre Elite® KURO™ Front Projector - PROFPJ1 - any thoughts on this??? I notice that its price point has gotten suspiciously low (near $1300 I believe as seen on ebay auction # 290780064431) but retail was at around $8k, which is unlike the trend for the 151FD which sold in used condition for over its retail value at times! My other thing I was considering was to go ahead and do the whole 3D trend thing and put in a 3D projector, but Pioneer doesn't make one and I am hesitant to go with another brand. Is there any kind of Pioneer quality 3-D projectors any of you all can recommend??? Those JVC projectors that Mike WI mentioned sound nice and expensive, but will they too drop to $1300 in a few years? I was hoping to invest alot and get a product I'd be happy with for a lifetime. Too poor to buy cheap stuff and keep re-buying it I guess.
post #170 of 486
Ohh I get it, this is a PROJECTOR high-end home theater club, I need to get a projector to be part of discussion. This makes sense as to why prior posts ignored... sorry. Well so happens I do still have yet to finish the basement and I do want to go with a projector down there. In order to fit with in with theme of Pioneer Elite products I was thinking of getting the Theatre Elite® KURO™ Front Projector - PROFPJ1 - any thoughts on this??? I notice that its price point has gotten suspiciously low (near $1300 I believe as seen on ebay auction # 290780064431) but retail was at around $8k, which is unlike the trend for the 151FD which sold in used condition for over its retail value at times! My other thing I was considering was to go ahead and do the whole 3D trend thing and put in a 3D projector, but Pioneer doesn't make one and I am hesitant to go with another brand. Is there any kind of Pioneer quality 3-D projectors any of you all can recommend??? Those JVC projectors that Mike WI mentioned sound nice and expensive, but will they too drop to $1300 in a few years? I was hoping to invest alot and get a product I'd be happy with for a lifetime. Too poor to buy cheap stuff and keep re-buying it I guess.
post #171 of 486
That Pioneer looks a lot like a rebadged JVC DLA-RS2 DILA. You will find a few rebadged projectors, such as the Anthem line, they were made by JVC. Just because it has a Poineer name doen't mean they developed or produced it.
post #172 of 486
Well after reading all the hype on the new projectors, I signed up for the preorder list here at AVS for a Sony VPL-HW50ES. If the reviews of the Epson 6020 show that the Sony has slightly better PQ, brightness and blacks after calibration, I think this projector will best suit my needs and tastes.
post #173 of 486
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Originally Posted by rev ans View Post

Ohh I get it, this is a PROJECTOR high-end home theater club, I need to get a projector to be part of discussion. This makes sense as to why prior posts ignored... sorry. Well so happens I do still have yet to finish the basement and I do want to go with a projector down there. In order to fit with in with theme of Pioneer Elite products I was thinking of getting the Theatre Elite® KURO™ Front Projector - PROFPJ1 - any thoughts on this??? I notice that its price point has gotten suspiciously low (near $1300 I believe as seen on ebay auction # 290780064431) but retail was at around $8k, which is unlike the trend for the 151FD which sold in used condition for over its retail value at times! My other thing I was considering was to go ahead and do the whole 3D trend thing and put in a 3D projector, but Pioneer doesn't make one and I am hesitant to go with another brand. Is there any kind of Pioneer quality 3-D projectors any of you all can recommend??? Those JVC projectors that Mike WI mentioned sound nice and expensive, but will they too drop to $1300 in a few years? I was hoping to invest alot and get a product I'd be happy with for a lifetime. Too poor to buy cheap stuff and keep re-buying it I guess.

A lot of us have never heard for the speakers you were asking about. So I could not bring any real intelligent conversation to the table. At least that was the case with me.

But to your projector question, The Pioneer is just a rebranded JVC RS2.

get yourself on the JVC RS4810 pre-order and you will be very pleased once you receive it.
post #174 of 486
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Purchased some Vandersteen 1C's for Front wides. I think I'm almost done upgrading for a while.
post #175 of 486
SOWK - Let us know what audible improvements you will hear with the xtra speakers up front. I have old 2Ce's for my front channels in my HT. With the wide and tall and almost holographic soundstage they project all by themselves, without having heard such a setup I can't imagine how it could be improved upon. At the moment, my philosophy is the more processing we put in the signal, the more likely it will be degraded somewhat as compared to a "pure direct" signal sent to a pair of Vandys. BTW, love your room. It's even blacker than mine ! cool.gif Did you make the sound panels that I see on the sidewalls ? That is something I'd like to try as an upgrade to my room.

Bill
post #176 of 486
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SOWK - Let us know what audible improvements you will hear with the xtra speakers up front. I have old 2Ce's for my front channels in my HT. With the wide and tall and almost holographic soundstage they project all by themselves, without having heard such a setup I can't imagine how it could be improved upon. At the moment, my philosophy is the more processing we put in the signal, the more likely it will be degraded somewhat as compared to a "pure direct" signal sent to a pair of Vandys. BTW, love your room. It's even blacker than mine ! cool.gif Did you make the sound panels that I see on the sidewalls ? That is something I'd like to try as an upgrade to my room.
Bill

It's hard to really know what to expect at this moment.. I am hoping it will fill in any gap of sound between my fronts and rear speakers.

I read it adds a lot to help add correct reflections into the room to better simulate the environment on screen. At least biased off the Audyessy DSX technical specs.

From the forums:

DSX has absolutely nothing to do with matrixing. It derives from our studies of how sound is reflected and the role of reflections on our perception of space. The two most important reflection directions are (1) the side walls and (2) the surfaces above the performance stage. Measurements in concert halls and other venues (small and large) have provided the basis for our research and for the algorithm that synthesizes these reflections. They must be delivered from certain directions and with specific frequency and time shaping to properly combine with the direct sound coming from the front three speakers.

That's exactly what DSX does: it controls the reflections to make the room sound larger or smaller depending on the content. These are not the listening room reflections. They should be eliminated via room treatments and room correction software (MultEQ). These are synthesized reflections that come from the Wide and Height speakers in a controlled way.

There is no channel steering in DSX. We found that steering can cause artifacts in imaging and so do not use it. The improved panning in the Shakespeare piece comes from the fact that the biggest perceptual gap in a surround system is being filled.

The front speakers are too far from the surrounds and that leaves the entire side area open. It's the most difficult area to fill because of the imaging mechanism of our ears that relies on time and level differences of arrival at the two ears. The Wides fill that gap nicely and improve front-to-back panning for content that has it.

The panning improvement is greatest with discrete content (that currently only exists in our lab). However, there is improvement in 5.1 content as well. For example, in Ch. 2 of WallE, the robot pans from the left surround to the front. It is much smoother with DSX on because the Left Wide fills the gap.



If I don't like them I will keep them off and use once they start to make native 9.1 or 11.1 audio tracks.

They will be in front of the side pillers.

The sound panels are GIK Acoustics.
Edited by SOWK - 10/2/12 at 6:28pm
post #177 of 486
Sowk,

Looks like Sony has started shipping the VPL-HW50ES projectors and I assume I’ll be getting a call from AVS about the preorder. I think I am going to pull the trigger and get it. The only catch is my HT isn’t even close to being able to set the projector up, so I have a proposition.

If you’re interested, I could bring the projector to your house and we can test it out. This way you get a chance to see one first hand before your new JVC is ready to ship. For me I get a chance to make sure it works right before too much time passes and I get to see it on a XD screen before I order one of those.

I’m not sure how much of a pain it would be for you to swap projectors back and forth or if you would even be interested but I though I’d throw it out there. I live in Kenosha so it would be less than an hour’s drive for me.
post #178 of 486
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Originally Posted by TedO View Post

Sowk,
Looks like Sony has started shipping the VPL-HW50ES projectors and I assume I’ll be getting a call from AVS about the preorder. I think I am going to pull the trigger and get it. The only catch is my HT isn’t even close to being able to set the projector up, so I have a proposition.
If you’re interested, I could bring the projector to your house and we can test it out. This way you get a chance to see one first hand before your new JVC is ready to ship. For me I get a chance to make sure it works right before too much time passes and I get to see it on a XD screen before I order one of those.
I’m not sure how much of a pain it would be for you to swap projectors back and forth or if you would even be interested but I though I’d throw it out there. I live in Kenosha so it would be less than an hour’s drive for me.

We could get that to work, it would have to be on a Saturday.
post #179 of 486
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The Wides are in, Just have to do a full calibration of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 again now...

I put together a small video of the final room and initial build stages...

Link in Sig.
Edited by SOWK - 10/8/12 at 7:44am
post #180 of 486
Location: Kenosha
Projector: Panasonic AE-4000u
Screen: Seymour AV - Center Stage XD 136" wide 2.35:1
Speakers: M&K S-5000 THX (LCR), M&K SS-150 THX (Highs, Wides, Rears, Sides)
Subs: M&K MX-350 (Need to add one more)
Electronics: Onkyo TX-NR 3008 (RECEIVER), Emotiva XPA-5 (AMP), Cinemar MLD-4000 16 TB (Storage), Cinemar Software Suite (Movie Selection User Interface)
Build Thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1208912/the-cinemar-home-theater-construction-thread

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