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post #151 of 202
The pro 9000 doesn't have DI.
post #152 of 202
Wow, that is a HUGE mistake by Art. I like his reviews, but that is a BIG error.
If Krane's measurements are right (7000:1 on/off), then this projector will beat a Mits hc4000 in the proper mode at contrast, but it won't be a mind-blowing difference (but definitely noticeable).
post #153 of 202
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Wow, that is a HUGE mistake by Art. I like his reviews, but that is a BIG error.
If Krane's measurements are right (7000:1 on/off), then this projector will beat a Mits hc4000 in the proper mode at contrast, but it won't be a mind-blowing difference (but definitely noticeable).

That's assuming Kraine's measurements are accurate though.
post #154 of 202
No RBE or any color separation artifacts noticed by most people on these LED ones right?
I heard some claim they see it, but sounds like the same people that see RBE on LCOS :P
(yes I know some color separation artifacts are possibly visible even on LCOs by some miniscule percentage of the population, much less than DLP RBE though, I can see DLP RBE but not color sep. artifacts on any other tech).
post #155 of 202
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Originally Posted by JeffY View Post

The pro 9000 doesn't have DI.

Yeah, this is one of those vague specs it seems. In Art's review he lists: Dynamic Iris for improved black performance

Viewsonic's own specs list: Contrast Ratio 100000:1(dynamic) http://www.viewsonic.com/products/projectors/pro9000.htm (under the 'spec' tab)

So perhaps it doesn't have a dynamic IRIS, but has some sort of dynamic light regulation, i.e. dimming the lamp dynamically.

Art makes very little if no mention of the dynamic controls, adjustments...in fact, other than the 'features' he seems to make no mention of it. Either the Pro9000 does have dynamic contrast (lamp level based) and it's not adjustable (so always 'on'), or Art just failed to mention the adjustments/controls.

Or both Viewsonic AND Art are wrong and it has no dynamic contrast capability at all. I would doubt that as there is no way in hell Viewsonic would list a crazy 100,000:1 contrast rating unless there was some sorta dynamic contrast going on. Also no mention on Viewsonics page on their amazing tech that's capable of producing their claim of 100,000:1 on/off.

Hopefully Art will clear this up in his full/final review.
post #156 of 202
I see RBE on the pro 9000 but from what I've seen so far its quite a mild effect. I've not messured the native contrast yet but I estimate it's around the 1000 to 2000 mark. Ansi contrast looks good.
post #157 of 202
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Or both Viewsonic AND Art are wrong and it has no dynamic contrast capability at all. I would doubt that as there is no way in hell Viewsonic would list a crazy 100,000:1 contrast rating unless there was some sorta dynamic contrast going on. Also no mention on Viewsonics page on their amazing tech that's capable of producing their claim of 100,000:1 on/off.
Hopefully Art will clear this up in his full/final review.

It should almost for sure at least have lamp dimming, because the other Viewsonics do, IRIS I doubt it though. The lamp dimming feature on my Pro8200 has no effect though (appears broken), but it could be my older firmware. I think on the Pro8200 it was a half-implemented feature actually, they started and never really finished it. I don't care much either way, I don't use it to watch dark movies :P
post #158 of 202
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Originally Posted by JeffY View Post

I see RBE on the pro 9000 but from what I've seen so far its quite a mild effect. I've not messured the native contrast yet but I estimate it's around the 1000 to 2000 mark. Ansi contrast looks good.

Can you clarify the dynamic contrast capability on this PJ then? Controls? Type? Effect?
post #159 of 202
I'm not seeing any dimming or dynamic contrast effects of any kind and I have a retail model.
There are no settings for it either.
post #160 of 202
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

It should almost for sure at least have lamp dimming, because the other Viewsonics do, IRIS I doubt it though. The lamp dimming feature on my Pro8200 has no effect though (appears broken), but it could be my older firmware. I think on the Pro8200 it was a half-implemented feature actually, they started and never really finished it. I don't care much either way, I don't use it to watch dark movies :P

Well, lamp dimming dynamic contrast tech has never worked that good, Optoma had used it on some of their PJ's.

Though with LED's it should be more effective due to the speed of the LED cycle....at least in theory. I don't think even the high end LED DLP's have really implemented this tech potential well, if at all.
post #161 of 202
Interesting. And nothing in the menus/manual about it?

I wonder if Viewsonic just pulled that "Contrast Ratio 100000:1(dynamic)" on their spec page out of their A$$ or just a serious typo?

EDIT: Ok, I see you answered this by editing your post above
Edited by fleaman - 10/17/12 at 3:37pm
post #162 of 202
The 100000:1 is a logo on the box.
post #163 of 202
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Originally Posted by JeffY View Post

I'm not seeing any dimming or dynamic contrast effects of any kind and I have a retail model.
There are no settings for it either.

Interesting, what other projectors did you own beforehand and how do you like the Viewsonic 9000 (btw sorry if you already posted earlier, I will go back and read it if so)?
On my Pro8200 it is called DCR and it was buried in the others menu, but turning it on or off has no apparent effect on anything.
post #164 of 202
I still own a JVC HD750. I had a Sony vw100 prior to that which had DI but I always had it switched off before I didn'nt like it.
post #165 of 202
II havn't made my mind up yet. The colours are lush but the cms doesn't work properly and the presets are pants. I have a Radiance though so it's not an issue. I'm thinking of having a dual projector setup and use the pro9000 just for sports and gaming and use the Jvc for movies.
post #166 of 202
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Originally Posted by JeffY View Post

II havn't made my mind up yet. The colours are lush but the cms doesn't work properly and the presets are pants. I have a Radiance though so it's not an issue. I'm thinking of having a dual projector setup and use the pro9000 just for sports and gaming and use the Jvc for movies.

Whoa, you have a HD750 and your considering keeping the Pro9000? I assume this is just to save the lamp hrs on your JVC?
post #167 of 202
The pro9000 has several advantages over rhe JVC, about twice the ansi contrast, its sharper and the colours once under lumagen control are more pleasing. For gaming and sports it has less lag and better motion.
post #168 of 202
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Originally Posted by JeffY View Post

The pro9000 has several advantages over rhe JVC, about twice the ansi contrast, its sharper and the colours once under lumagen control are more pleasing. For gaming and sports it has less lag and better motion.

How do you rate the black floor level on the Viewsonic in regards movie viewing. Is the blacks distractingly grey in dark scenes?
post #169 of 202
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Originally Posted by JeffY View Post

The pro9000 has several advantages over rhe JVC, about twice the ansi contrast, its sharper and the colours once under lumagen control are more pleasing. For gaming and sports it has less lag and better motion.

Have you ever had a HT DLP before?
post #170 of 202
My very first projector was a DLP but I couln't live with the. RBE and motion dithering. I have seen many DLPs and came close to buying a 3 chip SIM2 once
Edited by JeffY - 10/18/12 at 12:50am
post #171 of 202
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Originally Posted by JeffY View Post

My very first projector was a DLP but I couln't live with the. RBE and motion dithering.

How old was that first DLP? The motion dithering thing has improved greatly on the newer models (starting around 3 years ago or so?). There's a LOT less of it on my Mits HC3800 vs my previous Optoma H31, so much less that I basically can only see some of it if I walk right up to the screen.

That is assuming I'm thinking of the same sort of dithering---like when you pause a image, walk up to the screen and see dithering mostly in the shadow areas.

If not, I'm not quite sure what 'motion dithering' is?
post #172 of 202
Yah, the JVC is great for movies but for TV and some general viewing a good DLP is kind of where it is at.
The JVC isn't bad at TV or anything, it's just that the image is more overall designed to work with movies.
post #173 of 202
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Originally Posted by 3dprojector View Post

I have placed an order for this toy ,total cost=1,872.82 USD
the unit was ordered for one of my customers ,you know,a small home business for a retired guy,who need's to keep him self busy,nothing big.
unluckily,the first unit came defective,with a vertical stripes that start appearing 3 minutes after you run the unit,then it goes off,sent it back to the store,and then they sent the replacement,they were very helpful.
received the replacement,run the unit and it was ok this time.
a decent projector,may need's a firmware update,the blacks were not that good,it needs more calibration,colors not as sharp as you would expect them to be.
the projection was on a grey wall, running the unit,connected to a PC,was far better than a set top box.
used the same setting that was used in kraine review,
sorry didn't have much time to play with,so not much to tell,the customer took the unit and he was happy with it.
since this unit+acer k750 were the first 108p units using this tech,it look's promising.
post #174 of 202
Projector Central recently posted their (lukewarm) review of the Viewsonic Pro9000.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/viewsonic_pro9000_home_theater_projector_review.htm
post #175 of 202
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Projector Central recently posted their (lukewarm) review of the Viewsonic Pro9000.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/viewsonic_pro9000_home_theater_projector_review.htm

They write "The projector has very little input lag at 17ms." Hmmm.
post #176 of 202
Does ViewSonic PRO9000 have 1:1 pixel mapping?
post #177 of 202
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Originally Posted by B-2Admirer View Post

Does ViewSonic PRO9000 have 1:1 pixel mapping?

Any native 1080P projector (like the PRO900), is normally 1:1 pixel mapping a 1080P source (blu ray).
post #178 of 202
I was asking about actual state, not about normalcy.

Benq W7000, Acer 9500DB and ViewSonic PRO8200 were all native 1080P projectors and yet none of them initially had 1:1 pixel mapping. And, as far as I know, ViewSonic never fixed the issue for their model.
post #179 of 202
Currently using a PG70 LG projector and love it's light output contrast and sharpness. Really want a 1080p PJ tho. The bad reviews have turned me away from this tho I love the LED technology. Should I reconsider?
post #180 of 202
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Originally Posted by B-2Admirer View Post

I was asking about actual state, not about normalcy.

Benq W7000, Acer 9500DB and ViewSonic PRO8200 were all native 1080P projectors and yet none of them initially had 1:1 pixel mapping. And, as far as I know, ViewSonic never fixed the issue for their model.

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Never heard of that.

If a native 1080P projector isn't 1:1 pixel mapping a 1080p blu ray source, like you said the W7000 didn't do 'initially', then what was it doing?
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