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post #31 of 150
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

You might wanna go back and re-read my comment before farting out some snarky reply.

Errrr, I actually was asking what I was asking. There have been restoration film showings in theaters before. No need for personal attacks either.

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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Have you seen near dark?!?

No, but we do not get much Studio Canal in NA. I do have Escape from New York which has a Studio Canal 'box' on it and the transfer is medicore pq wise.
I could also match and raise by saying have you seen Universal's Cat People HD-DVD?
post #32 of 150
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Originally Posted by Rathbone View Post

Oh my god, why ...

Remember this was a brand new 4K scan before you watch the screencaps

http://homecinema.thedigitalfix.com/...-in-march.html

If those screen captures are in any way accurate, this "restoration" might end up in the hall of shame. There are DVDs with more detail than those images.
post #33 of 150
My guess is those screencaps are accurate.
post #34 of 150
I am seeing film grain in every one of those screencaps. I will wait till caps-a-holic.com does some screenshots. They don't look that bad too me.
post #35 of 150
Then you don't know the visual difference between film grain and digital noise.
post #36 of 150
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Finally, there have been several posts here and elsewhere regarding screen grabs from DRACULA PRINCE OF DARKNESS suggesting over-use of DNR and lack of grain. We can assure you all that when you see the film in motion you will definitely see plenty of grain! It isn’t really possible to draw conclusions from low-res JPEG screen grabs, however we can state that the DNR used on the restoration was very light indeed, only on a handful of scenes, and only when absolutely necessary. We can also state that there were no blanket noise-reduction filters used at any point during restoration. Any loss of focus and fading on the picture as presented on the Blu-ray is due to the age of the scanned materials rather than DVNR or the use of filters.

http://blog.hammerfilms.com/?p=66
post #37 of 150
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Originally Posted by NJPete View Post

http://blog.hammerfilms.com/?p=66

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NB: We originally posted that DRACULA PRINCE OF DARKNESS was scanned at 4k. This was a mistake. The film was in fact scanned at 2k. This has now been corrected on the original post.
post #38 of 150
Hmm. Low-res JPEG screen grabs? I double checked, they are 1080p. Maybe they mean highly compressed?
post #39 of 150
These JPGs are not highly compressed. Look at the sizes of them. JPG compression with this file sizes is minimal and should not have a noticable visual impact.
post #40 of 150
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Originally Posted by Rathbone View Post

These JPGs are not highly compressed. Look at the sizes of them. JPG compression with this file sizes is minimal and should not have a noticable visual impact.

Maybe it was scaled up from a smaller version pershaps? Long shot I know.
post #41 of 150
Those caps look horrid. Mind blowlingly disgraceful and we can only hope the actual Blu-Ray's do not look like that.
post #42 of 150
I got e-mails from Amazon UK yesterday telling me my expected delivery date for Reptile and Plague of the Zombies has been pushed back to May 15-19.
post #43 of 150
First review I've seen for the new Dracula: Prince Of Darkness BD, from a trusted reviewer in Chris McEneany. Our worst fears confirmed about the DNR seen in the screen captures.

http://www.avforums.com/movies/Dracu...5/blu-ray.html
post #44 of 150
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

First review I've seen for the new Dracula: Prince Of Darkness BD, from a trusted reviewer in Chris McEneany. Our worst fears confirmed about the DNR seen in the screen captures.

http://www.avforums.com/movies/Dracu...5/blu-ray.html

What screencaptures? All I see a cover of old DVD release and three shots from the film, all in different random resolutions and horribly compressed.
post #45 of 150
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Originally Posted by rezpekt View Post

What screencaptures? All I see a cover of old DVD release and three shots from the film, all in different random resolutions and horribly compressed.

I'm referring to the pictures linked from earlier in the thread. McEneany has a good eye for picture quality and is very thorough in his reviews. Read it for a confirmation of the DNR we were speculating about.
post #46 of 150
Really bad news about the just released "Dracula Prince Of Darkness" blu-ray.

First off, it *is* heavily DNR'd while the color is overly vivid and contrasted as the early review mentioned in this thread indicated. Way more obvious when watching it than the screen caps in this thread may indicate, especially the opening sequence where the ending of Horror Of Dracula plays out in that smoke-surrounded diamond frame.

But the real ...horror here is the audio track is way out of sync with the video, maybe a full second off. I'm a pretty forgiving viewer and have managed to enjoy watching numerous movies in spite of pretty flawed presentations on home video but this one really pissed me off not just because I have been eagerly awaiting key Hammer films to start showing up on Blu-ray even as pricey imports but the fact Studio Canal clearly had a really good source and just screwed this up in every conceivable manner.

Big thumbs down.
post #47 of 150
Some screencaps:

post #48 of 150
"We recently discovered a small audio synch issue within a couple of scenes of the Dracula Prince Of Darkness discs that were released on the 5th of March.

This problem occurred at the authoring stage where a fix was not implemented despite being supplied.

With this in mind we will be replacing any discs that have this issue present.

Please send your proof of payment and your address to enquiries@vdcgroup.com and we will endeavour to send a working replacement to you promptly."

http://www.hammerfilms.com/news/arti...ess-blu-raydvd
post #49 of 150
Man, what a half-assed release!
post #50 of 150
No comment necessary:

post #51 of 150
That's just awful!
post #52 of 150
In some of those caps the BD almost looks like a cartoon.
post #53 of 150
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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

"We recently discovered a small audio synch issue within a couple of scenes of the Dracula Prince Of Darkness discs that were released on the 5th of March.

This problem occurred at the authoring stage where a fix was not implemented despite being supplied.

With this in mind we will be replacing any discs that have this issue present.

Please send your proof of payment and your address to enquiries@vdcgroup.com and we will endeavour to send a working replacement to you promptly."

http://www.hammerfilms.com/news/arti...ess-blu-raydvd

Just re-do the entire transfer from scratch.
post #54 of 150
i can comfirm it is horrible. i received my bluray today. sampled it a bit and it looks just as worse as the screens you see here.

also the color red is way to strong on my setup. i had to adjust that first. also the grain that is left in the movie is on the middelayer. front layer and backlayer are DNRed.

actually the best i can describe it is it is like watching an upscaled dvd. although most current dvds look better then this bluray.
post #55 of 150
Hopefully people are e-mailing their displeasure. It would be ashamed if all of the upcoming Hammer titles are of the same "quality."
post #56 of 150


I don't know what's more depressing.... The fact that they made a live action movie look like a cartoon with noise reduction or that they are so proud of it that they show it in a restoration comparison.
post #57 of 150
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Hopefully people are e-mailing their displeasure. It would be ashamed if all of the upcoming Hammer titles are of the same "quality."

Since Quartermass looks so different I would not be surprised if it's more mixed results, as usual due to using dvd masters.
post #58 of 150
Received my copy yesterday. As expected, picture looks little better than a DVD. Might have forgiven that but the sound going out of sync is a dealbreaker. Back to Amazon UK it goes.
post #59 of 150
Honestly, this is probably the worst PQ I've ever seen. Awful, lousy work has been done here and there's no excuse for the ammount of DNR used.

I really hope they don't mess up again in the future.

Now, about the couple of scenes with this audio synch issue: can someone tell me where they are located, exactly? Are all copies affected?

P.S.



Their excuses (taken from the blog):

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DRACULA PRINCE OF DARKNESS — smoke & horrors

As we discussed on this blog previously, DRACULA PRINCE OF DARKNESS was filmed in Techniscope aka 2-perf, which utilises only half the frame of a standard 35mm film cell in order to create a 2.35:1 image without the expense of anamorphic lenses and by using half the amount of film stock one would use shooting full-frame 35mm.

The center sequence in the opening flashback scene of the film is from the 4-perf negative of DRACULA aka HORROR OF DRACULA. That film was shot on the full 35mm frame and intended to be screened at 1.66:1. To make it all fit together, the filmmakers reduced the size of the flashback scene from DRACULA and added a diamond-shaped smoke-effect mask. The result is that there’s a real issue with the grain: it is very tight and crowded due to the shrinking of the 1.66:1 image. In addition, the overlay of the larger and more exaggerated grain of the 2-perf smoke effect creates all sorts of problems once the image is digitised and compressed. The problem we faced when encoding is that the overall composited picture in this scene had marked white noise and very distracting movement where the MPEG-4 (Blu-ray/HD) encode struggles to keep up with the grain in the film. The DVNR used on this scene (definitely not a blanket filter across the entire film as previously posted) resolved this issue, albeit with some “posterization”. On balance it was felt that this was the lesser of two evils.

However, so many of you have commented about this scene, that we, along with StudioCanal, decided to see if there was another way to filter and encode the picture. We did some research and have found an alternate encoding software package that will enable us better to tweak the opening sequence and create an improved encode. We have already completed several tests, and although it’s not perfect (it never could be, due to the workflow from 2-perf OCN to encoded Blu-ray) we feel that we have obtained a better result with less posterization. StudioCanal will replace this scene on the revised discs (with sound synch corrections) which will be available in April. We hope you like it!
post #60 of 150
So they are re-releasing it with new PQ?
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