Sim2 projector differences

Where is our AVS Sales Manager when we need him?

Oh its Saturday! Mark is probably watching sports on TV or at the track.

I'm sure he'll answer you shortly!!!!@@@

I still luv my almost 4 year old Sim2 C3X1080 and have not been keeping up on all the new models!

The 3D Solo HC (Hyper Color) does not have an O/O CR higher than the 3D Solo. (It is not stated in Sim2 literature, but it is not higher.)

Did not hear anything about scraping those HB models, and they still appear in the latest dealer price list (unless what I have is not the latest list, which would not be the first time that's happened.)

There never was a non-3D Lumis with greater than 35K CR. The standard "up to" 35K CR Lumis is still available, according to our list, but non-3D Lumis's are not always in stock and may have to be ordered in from Italy. That is certainly the case with the Lumis HOST, which "may" be on the way out, although in my last conversation with Sim2 that was denied).


Jim

I recently emailed Sim2 about the newer Mico models as not much has been heard about them and they said the 150 is shipping but the 160 is not going to be produced. There was a brief description recently (not sure where) on a AV website saying it is 1100 lumens, price is around $27k IIRC.

Does anyone have any idea how much a 2d UNO goes for these days?

Everything you are saying is entirely possible. I really like their line, but the info flow could be better. I can only go by the price list we have, but they have been known to have a new list in play a good month or two before we get the changes. Unless someone else has the definitive answer, I'll check on Monday and post.



Jim

Can only quote msrp by AVS policy: $33k for T1/T2 lens, or $34,850 for T3 (again, assuming we have the latest pricing (this is from a few months ago).

(I'm sure you will now be bombarded with PM's from dealer's working really hard to rush to "0" margin.)


Jim

Mark has already contacted Randall, a long time friend, who actually contacted Mark before starting this thread. Mark has worked with Randall and Dennis Erskine on Randall's theater design and has supplied Randall with much of his equipment.

My info from Sim2 is from several months ago. I do have specs etc from October and will email Randall rather than posting here. Alan G. handles all Sim2 sales for AV Science and may have more recent information from Sim2. He will be contacting Randall on Monday and be assured I will continue to assist Randall in his determination of what unit from those offered by various manufacturers would be best for him (for his viewing choices, his throw, and the screen I sold him).

I can take book on which dealers will be contacting Randall to participate in the process essentially initiated by this thread. If using the posting method vs the pm method to enter the foray, subtlety is not required, just be sure to provide at least a tidbit or two of info and state that you know that or got that because of your delear status. Its really quite simple so don't be shy. A nice touch is saying you got one in as a demo and that you sold the others you got and someone is coming in tomorrow to have you rip your present demo off your demo ceiling and install it in their theater in time for the superbowl. Interesting to see who is participating already among very few posters. Three customers, at least two of which have purchased from AVS and two of which are in the market and one who isn't and two Sim2 dealers, one of which is AVS, Wanna bet the next entry or the majority of those who will enter will be dealers. Then again, the initial question requested info that dealers would have. I expect the big Am, another dealer who we all know and love, to join in.

To be clear, the OP has not received any PM, email, or other contact from me, and will not. (Alan's my friend.) (and you too Mark.)


Jim

Thats AVS for ya!

No worries, we are all kidding here.


Jim

Absolutely Randall. I talk to Jiglaw quite frequently and we were all kidding about dealer presence and races and the like. And I often call professionals Doctors. I know you are not a MD. Steve and I are lawyers (me retired) and our degrees are Juris Doctors. I think we fix if not cure legal things. So take it as a compliment, I know you fix things too.

I too am interested in the sim2 lineup. I am going to upgrade my c3x (720p) with a newer model. I still like my projector but I am way behind the latest technology. I am still very grateful to all who helped me build my theater on this forum. Here is a picture... a nice theater NEEDS A GREAT PROJECTOR!

Very nice theater. We are planning a small get togther of some Miami area AVSers during the week of March 5th. I am coming to town for a wedding over the first weekend in March. Hope to arrange a few tours of local manufacturers like SMX, Vutec, Sim2 and perhaps some theater visits as well. I am sure Cineramax will have a few things to shows us. Shoot me an email if you are interested in joining the group.

My understanding is they still have the non-3D Lumis but they are moving towards an eventual all-3D line. You don't have to enable them for 3D. If you don't buy the 3D kit you've got a 2D projector. But if, at some point, 3D becomes of interest, you can jack it in for a nominal cost without having to buy a new projector. As for their proprietary Dynamic Black which gives you the 35,000:1 contrast, it appears to be in the single-chip projectors (NERO),the non-3D Lumis (while they last) and the SOLO. The UNO and PRO C4 don't have DB which is presumably why they cost less than the 3-chippers that do.

Just spoke with Sim2. First, the diagram presented above is accurate. Currently, those are the only models available from Sim2. It is also correct that all other previously proposed models not on that list (diagram), will not be produced at this time.

Pete is also correct with his post above.

For current pricing I'd reach out to Mark or Alan here at AVS.

Jim

All and all, thirteen different projectors from one relatively small (compared to say Sony) company is a lot. Its interesting that the one LED lit projector is in their budget category line.

Does this mean they have stopped making the the Nero 2.35? I thought a few people on the board already bought this version.

Just for clarification or maybe a stupid question; this means the Mico 50/60 are no longer in production? And what happened to the new Mico 150; it won't be produced?

Me too, maybe even the Mico 50. I wanted to see what might be the difference between the 50 and 150.

This is all very confusing. I talked to Sim2 (Florida) last week and he told me they had already shipped half a dozen MICO 150's and they were a lot brighter than the MICO 50. Now, they're saying they aren't available??

Answering all of the above questions, "yes", according to the only person that directly processes orders at Sim2, the ONLY models that can currently be ordered are those indicated above. The Nero 235, the other Mico models, etc, are NOT available to be ordered. That's now two people at Sim2 that confirmed the above.

I'm unable to comment regarding anyone claiming to have a particular model, or one on order, I can only say for sure that if it is not in the current January 2012 price list I just received (and only those shown above are in it), then it cannot be ordered.

Jim

Jim,

Thank you for the update. Hopefully they stopped the MICO 50 and up as they are getting ready to "add" the 150. I guess time will tell.

Jim, please contact Sim2 again as your information is not accurate. As a matter of fact, I got email *today* with pricing for 150 and encouragement to sell them to the customers. I am told production has started in Italy and inventory will become available in US soon.

Of course, as always, folks need to be cautious about products until they are on hand . But indicates are positive regarding the Mico 150 shipping based on latest and current data.

I encourage people interested in the unit to contact their dealers and place their orders as quantities may be limited initially given the anticipation for the unit.

The SIM2 dealer with whom I deal (and who seems to be well-informed) tells me the MICO 150 is, in fact, a reality and will be the step-to model from the MICO 40 (the MICO 140 and 160 having been back-burnered...possibly forever). The NERO 235 and NERO HC were "indefinitely postponed"...which he guesses may be the Italian way of saying "dropped from the road map". If his interpretation is true, one can only speculate as to what potential future technological developments may have influenced this decision.

We know about a possible step up LED from the older Mico 50.

At present only the Mico 40 is available but I think there is a strong likelihood that a brigher LED projector will be coming from Sim2.

As I said, the Mico 150 had already started production and dealers can take orders on them. Indeed, there may be a shortage of them in the short term due to demand. This is all direct from Sim2 in writing. In my book, this is far stronger than "strong likelihood."

Are you not a dealer for Sim2 and have not received their communications on this front??? I don't think Sim2 has multiple tiers of dealers and some are not privy to all the information but maybe that is the case?