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post #1 of 12
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Hi all,

I am looking into buying a new camcorder as my current one doesn't have the possibility of adding a microphone - and the build in one has worked fine for the use so far, but as I am recording more and more conversations in situations with background noise it can't do the job any more as it simply picks up too much of that background noise.

It is a jungle trying to find the right camcorder as it appears I either have to go for the really cheap small pocket camcorders or the large professionel ones, which I simply can't afford.

What I am looking for is a camcorder with min. 18 x zoom - I also need to be able to zoom while recording. (Which is what I have now), HD recording (I don't mind that it is AVCHD as I am use to that), a microphone and a headset jack and also a shoe where a shotgun microphone can be added.

I would prefer a camcorder that is not too small as I like to feel that I have one in my hand and some of the small pocket ones are simply too small for me.

My budget is not completely fixed, but I am looking at something in between the small pocket ones and the professionels.

Can anyone here guide me in the direction of some models that would be suitable?

Thanks in advance,
post #2 of 12
Panasonic TM900 fits your list of requirements.

18 x zoom - yes
zoom while recording- yes
HD recording - yes
microphone jack - yes
headset jack - yes
a shoe - yes
a camcorder that is not too small - yes
priced between the small pocket ones and the professionals - about $600
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your suggestion,

The version available of it here in my country, Denmark, only has 12x zoom. I will now have a look at other versions of it to see if I can get the higher zoom.
post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by Hoteyes View Post

Thank you for your suggestion,

The version available of it here in my country, Denmark, only has 12x zoom. I will now have a look at other versions of it to see if I can get the higher zoom.

The TM900 has 12X optical zoom, but it also has an "Intelligent Optical Zoom" capable of 20x with no image degradation. Check the specs in your country for IOZ.
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks again,

I have now been reading more up on it and the reviews were quite positive, but then I checked the manual and it appears like the intelligent zoom is only available for still images.

Nice suggestion, but it appears I need to search further... if you or anyone else have any more ideas please do let me know as it is a jungle out there and I can't seem to find what I am looking for.
post #6 of 12
"but then I checked the manual and it appears like the intelligent zoom is only available for still images."

You are incorrect. Intelligent zoom works in video mode. Do not confuse this with digital zoom, which degrades the quality. You have misread the manual; I have used iz and it works seamlessly with optical zoom. 18X it is. If you look in the TM900 thread, you will see examples of the use of intelligent zoom, both links to videos and frame grabs (birds and sports).
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
I will look into that thread, but in that case the manual is wrong as it clearly indicated that it was for still images only. And no, I didn't confuse it with digital zoom, which is the first thing I turn off on a camcorder or camera anyway.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
But as you have used it please do tell me what I will need to go down and shoot in to get the extra zoom? From what I see elsewhere then such a an intelligent zoom is only available when I am shooting in a lower quality as otherwise it would also just be called optical zoom.
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by Hoteyes View Post

But as you have used it please do tell me what I will need to go down and shoot in to get the extra zoom? From what I see elsewhere then such a an intelligent zoom is only available when I am shooting in a lower quality as otherwise it would also just be called optical zoom.

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Originally Posted by Hoteyes View Post

I will look into that thread, but in that case the manual is wrong as it clearly indicated that it was for still images only. And no, I didn't confuse it with digital zoom, which is the first thing I turn off on a camcorder or camera anyway.

The intelligent zoom option is located in the "record setup" section of the cam's menu. You enable it there. Once enabled it stays in that mode until you change it, whether you turn the camera off or not. I only shoot in 1080/60p mode, the highest quality mode.

I was at a recital last night and "intelligent zoom" only works in video mode on my TM900. In picture mode it will only zoom to 12X.
post #10 of 12
"From what I see elsewhere then such a an intelligent zoom is only available when I am shooting in a lower quality as otherwise it would also just be called optical zoom."

You are incorrect: HD video, which is only 1920x1080, only uses a portion of the pixels of the sensor. Thus, the extra pixels allow digital cropping at the same HD resolution in video mode.

This is what the Panasonic blurb says: "The 900 Series and SD800 feature an Intelligent Zoom function that goes all the way up to 20x. When using Intelligent Zoom, Intelligent Resolution technology lets you shoot at high zoom rates while preserving the image resolution. You get sharp images of highly detailed objects without the blurry edges."

I understand why you are confused: the manual on the Panasonic site does not give any info on the role of intelligent zoom in video mode; there is only a still picture discussion, where one must lower the *still* picture resolution to get the extra zoom. The fact that there is only a still picture discussion does not mean this trick only works in still picture mode.

All you do is to enable the intelligent zoom in video mode and you get the extra extension, without loss of resolution. The main difference is slightly higher noise (undetectable in good light) and in the extended part no additional shortening of dof (which can be a good thing).
post #11 of 12
The zoom question has been well answered. But, for what it's worth, there are actually 4 zoom settings in the "Record Setup" menu.


1. Opt.Zoom 12k: Optical zoom only (Up to 12x). This of course limits the zoom to 12x and is required for some functions like Time Lapse.

2. i.Zoom 20x: This zoom function allows you to maintain high-definition picture quality. (Up to 20x). This is where I normally leave it set. The video quality through 20x is constant.

3. D.Zoom 30x: Digital zoom (Up to 30x). There are situations where this can be used. I was on a cruise ship and saw other ships at a distance. I could not read the names or see much detail with my standard issue eyeballs. Video at 30x significantly improved what I could see and read even though the video quality was not as good as the "normal" range. At the moment I was trying to document some bad weather and high waves. It worked for that.

4. D.Zoom 700x: Digital zoom (Up to 700x). I don't know why this setting is in the camera. Certainly video quality declines past 20x. I shot a clip of a bald eagle at very high zoom and you can tell it's an eagle, but it is fuzzy.
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all your replies.... I am glad it was understandable why the manual confused me as I was beginning to think it was just me who couldn't find it there.

I have been looking more into it and reading and watching a heavy amount of reviews. Then I noticed that an upgrade should be coming out in a few months, the X900.

As quite some are a little annoyed at the noise from the fan on the TM900 - and as I can wait a few months - I think it might be smartest to wait for that, see if that is worth the extra money or otherwise at that time get the TM900, which should then be even cheaper to get.

Thanks for guiding me in the direction of that camcorder and for explaining the thing about the intelligent zoom. As it was just listed here with 12x I hadn't looked any further at it.
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