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post #61 of 754
1/25/12 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

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some i will measure for myself and that result i will post but some wishes here i cant do.

here what i plan to do next:
-see if the 4k computer works with native 4k material via hdmi or mini displayport (today).
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if you need 4K video material, I just found this: http://vimeo.com/33110953
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post #62 of 754
1/25/12 at 12:23pm
I was hoping Sony would launch this projector with a laser light source. Sony have their own lasers. Perhaps this projector can be upgraded with a laser light source in the future to get
fade to blacks
constant light output over time
perhaps higher contrast

Especially 3D could make use of STABLE 2000 Ansi lumen.
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post #63 of 754
1/25/12 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by DigsMovies View Post

^^^

Oh My.........


I won another bet. Hee Hee

Come on. At least do a quad stack.
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post #64 of 754
1/25/12 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

i like as well to know more like for sample

-how cr. is with iris manual close or in between
-how 3d looks
-how the lcos 4k compare to the dlp 4k with native 4k
and more also other people ask for.

some i will measure for myself and that result i will post but some wishes here i cant do.

here what i plan to do next:
-see if the 4k computer works with native 4k material via hdmi or mini displayport (today).
-lumen and cr. pr. number 2 (tomorrow).
-cr. increase when use manual iris and light drop.(tomorrow)

very likely cine4home will do more detailed measurements but not sure when .

I am very interested to know how 4k Lcos compares to 4k DLP.
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post #65 of 754
1/25/12 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

i like as well to know more like for sample

-how cr. is with iris manual close or in between
-how 3d looks
-how the lcos 4k compare to the dlp 4k with native 4k
and more also other people ask for.

some i will measure for myself and that result i will post but some wishes here i cant do.

here what i plan to do next:
-see if the 4k computer works with native 4k material via hdmi or mini displayport (today).
-lumen and cr. pr. number 2 (tomorrow).
-cr. increase when use manual iris and light drop.(tomorrow)

very likely cine4home will do more detailed measurements but not sure when .


Looking forward to this info.....thanks!

Secretly hopeing for 150,000:1 with iris closed down!.......Exciting!
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post #66 of 754
1/25/12 at 4:02pm
To anyone with one of these units:

Is it possible to manually limit the maximum iris opening(thus control the maximum amount of light passing through the lens) and still have the DI operate?

This would be desireable for smaller screen users. Reducing the brightness output as well as reducing the brightness compression when the DI operates.

Thanks.
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post #67 of 754
1/25/12 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

Not buying another projector with a conventional lamp, not buying another projector with a conventional lamp...
(bangs head on the wall and bites his tongue)

Oh well laser projection for consumer projectors will be here soon - it must be true as I have been hearing it since ca 1999
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post #68 of 754
1/25/12 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by Highjinx View Post

To anyone with one of these units:

Is it possible to manually limit the maximum iris opening(thus control the maximum amount of light passing through the lens) and still have the DI operate?

This would be desireable for smaller screen users. Reducing the brightness output as well as reducing the brightness compression when the DI operates.

Thanks.

Possible, the function is called auto limited, you find it in the Advanced iris menu.
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post #69 of 754
1/25/12 at 4:52pm
Thread Starter 
the 4k computer not works at all as there was some major part missing.
so we can not try it.
very sad!

i only measure the light out the secound unit have an i found with the same
d 65 rec. 709 full lamp power and iris manual full open
1931 center lumen at quad hd mode and
2077 lumen with full 4096x2160 so almost the same the first unit have.

color like the first one right out the box are also very good and convergence
was perfect.
shading was very good as well

tomorrow i will measure cr. from this unit may on top the cr. that it show with
iris max. close (not adaptive).
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post #70 of 754
1/25/12 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs View Post

Possible, the function is called auto limited, you find it in the Advanced iris menu.

Oliver....many thanks.

Is there a download link for the manual?
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post #71 of 754
1/25/12 at 6:05pm
The link is in the longer thread this forum for the 1000ES
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post #72 of 754
1/25/12 at 6:27pm
Could I be underway by this weekend?
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post #73 of 754
1/25/12 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

The link is in the longer thread this forum for the 1000ES

Thanks Mark.

For others who want to download...it's here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=448
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post #74 of 754
1/25/12 at 7:29pm
How is the fan noise in high lamp?
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post #75 of 754
1/25/12 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by Blasst View Post

Damn Mr Mayer! You are going to have 4k coming out your ears soon.

Are you going to do a shoot out with the Barco?

Also, while your at it, you might as well pick up the JVC 4k camcorder coming out this spring.

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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

no comment



will measure the number 2 soon.
i will get in some hours the computer that can feed 4k nativ.
lets see if it works......


Well, Damn de damn! Niiiiiice! Now let me pick my jaw up off the floor.
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post #76 of 754
1/25/12 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Could I be underway by this weekend?

Did you score one joerod?
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post #77 of 754
1/25/12 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by Blasst View Post

Did you score one joerod?

Yes, very soon.
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post #78 of 754
1/26/12 at 12:45am
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Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs View Post

Oh well laser projection for consumer projectors will be here soon - it must be true as I have been hearing it since ca 1999

I expect Red's laser projector this year. We'll see.
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post #79 of 754
1/26/12 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

i am sorry i not have this time to do all this test and report about her.

i spend already a lot of time here to make the posts i did and many found this helpful.
expect some cr. number and lumen number from secound one but not to much more at least not the next few days.


And we are appreciate it Wolfgang - thank you, and BTW its very to see two stack like that



dj
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post #80 of 754
1/26/12 at 3:18am
It wouldn't surprise me if we see 100+ inch OLED before laser driven projectors
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post #81 of 754
1/26/12 at 4:31am
I believe laser projectors are on their way for real this time but I don't believe it would be in time to cause any buyers remorse here.

art
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post #82 of 754
1/26/12 at 4:35am
Thread Starter 
here the cr. number from pr. number 2.

high lamp mode iris full manual open d 65 rec 709

10800:1 so very much the same the number 1 have.

as i like to know and some ask for it i measure like above but iris manual max.
close and i found

18700:1 cr.

the light out was reduce by 54% in this mode cr. increase was 73%.
that is may for some nice with smaller screens and for people not like the adaptive iris.

again my numbers are always a bit low compare to other that measure
cr. numbers.

i try first time 3d and a first short test looks very promising.
very little ghosting and the pr. profits from the 2000 lumen light out.

so my summary is till so far.

a very good pr. that delivers around 2000 lumen at d 65 with a cr.
native at over in the 11.000:1 range.
i like the reality creation a lot but sony should allow even lower
resolution and noise reduction inside this function.

this pr. set a new standard for sure and from this day on 4k resolution is a must for high end pr.
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post #83 of 754
1/26/12 at 4:51am
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

I believe laser projectors are on their way for real this time but I don't believe it would be in time to cause any buyers remorse here.

art

Very true. Laser was still producing artefacts last time I saw it, I would rather change lamps more often with existing technology than to constantly degrade my picture with unnecessary artefacts.
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post #84 of 754
1/26/12 at 4:54am
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

Thanks for the information. Sounds like Wolfgang's impressions and measurements are pretty consistant with yours and the Sony folks came through on their word regarding the performance specs.

Art

I think it has been some time that with a consumer projector expectations for light output were not only met but exceeded so Sony surely came through for this one!
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post #85 of 754
1/26/12 at 5:44am
Now...who is the first to post a VW1000 screenshot
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post #86 of 754
1/26/12 at 5:45am
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

I believe laser projectors are on their way for real this time but I don't believe it would be in time to cause any buyers remorse here.

art

At CEDIA Digital Projection talked like laser would be 3 or 4 years away.
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post #87 of 754
1/26/12 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by J.P View Post

Now...who is the first to post a VW1000 screenshot

Enjoy this footage for now until others post screen shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRoovCRtsts
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post #88 of 754
1/26/12 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

here the cr. number from pr. number 2.

high lamp mode iris full manual open d 65 rec 709

10800:1 so very much the same the number 1 have.

as i like to know and some ask for it i measure like above but iris manual max.
close and i found

18700:1 cr.

the light out was reduce by 54% in this mode cr. increase was 73%.
that is may for some nice with smaller screens and for people not like the adaptive iris.

again my numbers are always a bit low compare to other that measure
cr. numbers.

i try first time 3d and a first short test looks very promising.
very little ghosting and the pr. profits from the 2000 lumen light out.

so my summary is till so far.

a very good pr. that delivers around 2000 lumen at d 65 with a cr.
native at over in the 11.000:1 range.
i like the reality creation a lot but sony should allow even lower
resolution and noise reduction inside this function.

this pr. set a new standard for sure and from this day on 4k resolution is a must for high end pr.

Very interesting, and thanks esp for the closed iris measurement.

I note an interesting comparison to the RS55: at D65, max zoom, HI lamp, with iris open (to generate its max calibrated lumens), cine4home reported 920 lumens and CR = 26000:1. W.Mayer's report for the 1000 (at D65, max zoom, iris CLOSED) values of ~1100 lumens and CR ~ 18700:1 (or maybe higher as he notes he often measures low CR).

So, the two give approximately the same native CR if set to give approximately the same lumen output. The Sony of course has a good DI to add onto this, and also the possibility of >2x the lumen output still with very good native CR.
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post #89 of 754
1/26/12 at 8:46am
RS65 Cine4Home 34000:1 Max 920 etc etc just a heads up....
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post #90 of 754
1/26/12 at 8:56am
Based on all the 1000ES measurments posted, what screen do you guys think I should go with: Studiotek 100 or Studiotek 130?

Screen is going to be 141" wide x 60" tall, 2:35:1 scope ratio in a fully light controlled room with black carpet, dark brown and black cloth walls, and a dark brown and speckeled black ceiling. Screen is 6 feet from side walls and ceiling. 90% 2d viewing and 10% 3D viewing.

The throw is 18' and seating distance is 15'8". Using zoom method.

Also, do you think for 2d I would need to be on high mode with the ST100 while the St130 I would need to be in low mode for 2d?

Do you think the 1000 on high mode in 3d would look too dim on the ST100?

So which one should I go with?

Thanks
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