Best Plasma for gaming?

Go with a 42" plasma by panasonic, its the smallest they make, with a 15.8 GBps or greater transfer rate HDMI cable. Panasonic bought Pioneer's panel technology when they went out of business. Plasmas don't have that screen burn issue any more either. Plasmas have 0.00001ms or something like that pixel response, and true 600hz refresh rate. (600 pictures per second). The problem with 240hz and 120hz tv's is its all picture processing and creates a fair amount of input lag and unnatural movement. LCD TV's are terrible for gaming, no matter what the refresh rate or pixel response time. If you want a small screen, which would give you a very sharp, crisp picture, get a Samsung 2770FH monitor, its a 27", with a 10.2 GBps transfer rate HDMI cable. They are a 1ms pixel response time monitor, 60hz which is ps3's native output refresh rate, and the reason pixel response is important is because the lower the response time, the sharper the picture stays. I owned one and it was a wonderful screen, and I noticed a big difference between it and the samsung 23" 2ms monitor immediately playing F1 2010. Anywho, hope this helps, get internet that is at least 1 mega byte download speed, and always set whatever screen you get to game mode.

I wouldn't tell people that burn in isn't an issue anymore. It's highly unlikely, yes, but not impossible.

I went S30 for gaming (and a little PS3 bluray on the side).

In all seriousness, though. S30 is a great display that doesn't get a lot of love around here:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1112231578.htm

And some U.S. reviews:
http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...30-plasma-hdtv

http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...ic-st30-vs-s30

and to add to that IR is quite common when gaming. There is a lot of misinformation on this topic. I did not notice just how much until I noticed retention on my set from gaming. Still, even after a couple weeks and running slides the faint image remains, hopefully because it has faded it is just stubborn IR and will indeed disappear forever in time.

Some of the cases of IR/Burn-In reported on this site are much more severe than what I am experiencing. Many will say they do not have the issue but I believe now the real key, in addition to lowering picture settings from torch mode, is varying your gaming. I did not see it until I was focused on a single title for a period of 10-12 days with a few hours each day. This coincides with others that get sucked into a particular title like Skyrim, GoW, etc. Mix it up, calibrate your levels, and keep the marathon sessions at a minimum.

I am not aware of the 50hz issue for the ST30. Enlighten me. Also, fluctuating brightness was patched in North America, not sure about the rest of the world.

With regard to the VT20, make sure to research "floating blacks," since it is probably the worst of the problems if you have a set that exhibits it.

I use samsung pn59d550. They make a 51 inch thats cheaper. They just fixed the brightness pop issue too
I mostly game on it. Its amazing

1. 600hz is the same thing as any of LCD's frame interloping crap. Plasmas don't need it due to their already high motion resolution. The only reason why it's there is due to a public relations game in competing with LCD.

2. An HDMI cable is an HDMI cable. This idea of 10.2/15.8 transfer rate is a bunch of public relations nonsense. A no named $6 HDMI cable will perform just as well as a $80 Monster cable. I bring this up because it sounds like some clueless Best Buy employee convinced you that you need to spend this kind of money in order to get the best picture possible. HDMI is an all digital signal; either it works, or doesn't. Best Buy pulls this crap because HDMI cables are cheap to produce; then they put a huge markup on it and sell it for a ridiculous profit. They don't have much of a choice since they don't make much--if any--profit on electronics. Gotta push those accessories!

3. ijintheuk, buy the ST30. It has great picture quality and very low input lag. From what I have read anyway its supposed to be--on average--16ms. That is slightly less than a single frame; which is fantastic.

VT30 is the best TV out there then the VT50 in April.
These are the best TVs for gaming especially when calibrated .
Or you can go the cheap route and get a 59D8000 samsung.
I just saw this on sale with 4 glasses for 1900.00 Best tv out there in the samsung series. Not sure about the 2012s though
the S30 is junk anything lower then the ST30 is junk. If you go samsung go with the D7000 or 8000.
Panasonic makes the best TVs

Go into the owner threads and form an opinion.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...ic-st30-vs-s30

I'm reposting this just for giggles.

Out of the box, the s and st have identical black level and the s is closer to perfect on the HD color spec (apparently this has something to do with it NOT doing 3D). As you'll need to break into the service menu on both to adjust gamma and/or greyscale within the only picture mode that isn't eff'd (cinema) there is ZERO reason to choose an st over an s UNLESS:
you want 3d
you want wifi
you have bright over head lighting

There is a reason these two displays are so close in price.

Panasonic making the "best" displays is completely opinion and should be treated as such.

The amount of FUD being perpetuated by members of this forum in recent years is astounding.

The VT20 (last year's model) has more problems than this year's models. I'd go ST30. While the S30 is not "junk", the ST30 is a better display (better filter & better panel = better PQ). And to use D-Nice's settings on the ST30, you don't even need to go into the Service Menu.

Don't care what some add says. The ST & S two complete different sets. No where near the same in PQ. I've had both in my house together.

It's a fact that a 3D plasma is in fact better then a 2D. Regardless of if you planned to use 3D or not.

Have a VT30, but here are my top issues:

1) Have Pink and Green patches, they vary from set to set, on my second/current unit it is really only visible with regular content if I make an effort to look for it. First unit was returned for this problem.

2) Fan noise (some ST and GT models have no fans such as 60" I believe). This is not an issue when gaming since the XBOX360S is as loud, but late night TV watching or sitcoms it gets annoying.

3) Burnin and IR - My first set got burnin in right away from the word MENU and the setup MENU. Many have reported burning issues after 6 hour gaming sessions. My second set I've been very care full and have only started some light gaming (< 30 minute sessions) after about 200 hours of use. I am only a casual gamer and most of my sessions are never longer than an hour (maybe 2 or 3 times a week). If you game more than that then I would probably not get a plasma (or at least a Panny 2011 one).

Also from what I've read the VT20 has similar issues, plus the floating black. I would go with the ST if I was a casual gamer.

Anyone can tell me the input lag/response of ST/GT/VT 30 while using 2d to 3d conversion and is this any good for gaming?

There is no issues with the ST30. Are you talking about the Aboard FB issue?
They are all practically fixed from the factory now. VT20 is a 2010 TV. Id take a ST30 60" over that tv unless it was a 65"
I got my ST30 60"

The S30 is a totally different panel then the ST30. The ST30 and GT30 use the same panel and i believe the VT also. Its a known fact that the S30 has a less performing panel when it comes to blacks, color reproduction. The 60"ST30 also puts out a better black level then anything under 60"s. unless you are comparing it to the 55VT which has slight better black level and better color reproduction compared to the ST/GT.

You are completely wrong. The ST series is superior over the S30 , spend the extra money which might be 150-200 more and get the ST. Getting the GT is more like 600-700 more. But you are getting exact same panel but a smaller bezel and THX
thats it

3d performance is the same on all 3 Panels. VT puts out the best 2D picture period. ST and GT are the same unless you get the GT professionally calibrated. Then the GT comes out on top slightly. Still the normal person wouldnt even be able to tell between which set was ISF calibrated. You are better off just using Dnice settings and if you want to do your own settings try picking up a calibration blu-ray disc like the Disney Wow for either set. Ive spoken to professional calibrators in my area the ST, GT is a waste of money, to spend 300.00 to have someone come out and calibrate. If you had the VT or Samsung D8000 thats a different story. Like i said earlier the ST30/GT30 will perform alot better when it comes to color reproduction and blacks since they are the same panel. For what its worth there is even a professional calibrator on here that mentioned the S30 cannot be calibrated correctly.


Plasmas have no issues when it comes to response times unless you want to watch blu-rays at 72hz on the VT. VT is the best tv out there and is better then samsung . Unless you are comparing the GT30 vs the Samsung D8000.
The Samsung D8000 comes on top for color reproduction but is worse when it comes to blacks and response vs panasonic.
Id just get a ST30 60" . unless you have money to blow you can get the 59" 2011 Samsung D8000 , for around 2k. Personally Id stick with Panasonic since they acknowledge and will fix the FB issues, samsung will not. Personally if i were you just wait another 2-3 months and get the ST50 which will probably perform better then the VT30 minus having ISF controls and the 72hz option. I personally like the VT series though since VT30 and up will support spectra cal software to calibrate your TV using the eye1. I plan on getting the VT50 next year just for this purpose.

More FUD. (and btw, home theater mag is one of the few of the 'old guard' left-- not an "ad [sic]")

Here's a fact: my father is about to return his second 60" st30 due to the green splodge / pink corner issue that plagues these sets.

While we're on about facts:
http://hdguru.com/panasonic-proclaim...asma-tvs/4241/
"As part of our TV test regimen, HD Guru measures motion picture resolution using the industry standard 800 pixels per second. The 2010 models tested achieved full 1080 line (per picture height) at this speed. Panasonic's improvements in its 2011 Neo plasma panels (found in its S, ST, GT and VT series products) will provide full motion resolution with 50% faster motion, (1200 pixels per second) see photo."

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...e=Performance#

Black level:
"Before measurement, we could tell that the TX-P42S30´s black level is ahead of what most screens at this price point are offering. The inclusion of Panasonic's NeoPlasma panel all but guarantees this. We measured the black level, using a freshly calibrated Klein K-10 meter, as being 0.02 cd/m2, which is excellent. And, being a Plasma television, the same deep black is consistent across the entire screen surface - unlike competing LCD and LED LCD TVs, there is no brightening around the edges. Nor are there any instances of the black level (or colour) degrading when the TV is viewed off-angle."

Motion Resolution:
"We were curious as to whether the S30 Plasma would feature the latest phosphor material, and were half-expecting it not to given its budget price point. Well, it does, as evidenced by the considerably reduced green/purple trails when run side by side against the 2010 mid-range G20 Plasma. As a result of this, it follows after the rest of the 2011 Panasonic Plasmas in resolving all 1080 lines during the FPD Benchmark test disc's scrolling pattern. This translated across to real-world tests, where the motion clarity was excellent, something we attribute largely to the pulse-driven nature of Plasma display panels: inbetween each video frame, a PDP actually emits no picture at all for a fraction of a second, forcing the viewer's eye-brain to perceive sharper motion with less blur. There's no such thing as a perfect display, though - we did notice a little bit of contouring being visible with very fast camera pans. We still feel that Samsung's Plasma HDTVs have an edge in terms of overall motion performance, because Panasonic's can display tinges of spurious colour around object edges during fast motion (although only occasionally)."

That will sufficiently destroy your latency. Good luck gaming with that. As a general rule: the more complex the processing the more laggy the image. The cheaper, less sophisticated sets tend to lag less.

Skip to the gaming section:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...e=Performance#

In practice, 2D -> 3D had no negative effects the few times I tried it. Sorry, I have no online articles to point to...just personal experience.

ST is a much better then the S. Your wrong. Enough said.

Juke... Now I know why no one likes you over in the Xbox forum.

I think I just got "juked"! Lol!

Personally (and this is opinion, not fact), I wouldn't over pay for a Panasonic. They make a fantastic budget set but they've failed to even come close to closing the gap with a product that was discontinued 3 years ago. Samsung has all but caught them in plasma tech and LCD has surpassed plasma in areas plasma was once dominant (namely color accuracy and black level). IMO, the selling point of plasma is it's uniformity and it's speed/handling of motion. I prefer to console game on a plasma as the motion tends to surpass that of even the best lcds... Of course, Call of Duty at 60fps makes that distinction largely mute... But hey-- we've all got *******s and we all have opinions so why not waive them around like fact?

I don't mean offense. 99% of the people who worry about lag will never notice it. I happen to be one of the few who does... And yes this makes me a colossal nerd.

Bottom line, most single player games (save music games) will not punish you for display lag as most games nowadays are quite easy and designed more for enjoyment than challenge. Further-- even in a competitive every-frame-counts game like halo you'll be hampered a lot less by the display lag than you will the input lag (between controller and game) and the connection lag-- which is outstanding in today's arena.

Bottom line: if you don't notice it then don't go looking for it-- instead say a prayer for those of us who have.

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Look, I'm not trying to talk anyone out of buying the ST or the GT or the VT (although you should def google "panasonic green blob" before you do). But, seriously, the hate over the S from people who have only seen it on display at their local costco is actually hilarious! Just trying to point out the continuing epidemic of the "new" avsforum member who confuses opinion for fact. Personally I don't give a **** what you buy!

I'm a pretty hardcore gamer, online and off, and have not noticed negative impacts the few times I've tried it. That being said I don't try it often because I don't see a point playing in 2D -> 3D besides trying it out once in a while. I am sure there's a chance someone could notice some form of lag if they use it more than I do.