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post #1201 of 1615
Randy,

Do not update to 1016.2. Download version 1014.6 from the first post in this thread and install it. It should fix the 'pop' problem.

Larry
post #1202 of 1615
WHAT A THREAD!!!
This is what I come too AVS for...
completely over my head; yet completely peaks my interest.
BIG thanks.
post #1203 of 1615
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Randy,
Do not update to 1016.2. Download version 1014.6 from the first post in this thread and install it. It should fix the 'pop' problem.
Larry

Thanks, Larry, I kinda suspected that while reading this thread (oh man, it's so big - but interesting!)...just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything...big thanks!
post #1204 of 1615
Hi there,

I have the PS64D8090 (Germany) and lots of Brightness Pops in both games and movies which display darker scenes that suddenly introduce brighter objects or scenery. Samsung Germany claims they do not know of this problem at all and suggest that the problem probably isn't software related - even though I told them about the Logic Board Update solution. They also said that even if it was, a Logic Board Update from a different market or region might not work at all and even harm the TV. So I ended up quite insecure.


My questions:

1. How can I make sure I encountered "FBr"? I did run the FBr test videos included in this thread but the effect is very subtle and barely noticeable there. I also read about "ABL" picture adjustments but I am not sure what it does exactly and how to tell them apart.

2. Is this Logic Board Update also applicable for German or Euro models (PS64D8090 / PS64D8000)?

3. Is there confirmation that it fixes the Brightness Pops for German or Euro models?

4. Can I undo the update in case it doesn't work or even make things worse?

5. If yes, where to get the original Logic Board Firmware?


Thank you very much in advance!
Regards from Germany!
post #1205 of 1615
Thank you especially ZOYD. I used the downgrade option and went down to 1013 on my 59d6500 tv then upgrade to 1014. All went well including the logic.
checked firmware showing now 11-11-04. I also updated to 1016 ALL looking good. Again thanks to all.
post #1206 of 1615
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimkineast View Post

Hi there,
I have the PS64D8090 (Germany) and lots of Brightness Pops in both games and movies which display darker scenes that suddenly introduce brighter objects or scenery. Samsung Germany claims they do not know of this problem at all and suggest that the problem probably isn't software related - even though I told them about the Logic Board Update solution. They also said that even if it was, a Logic Board Update from a different market or region might not work at all and even harm the TV. So I ended up quite insecure.
My questions:
1. How can I make sure I encountered "FBr"? I did run the FBr test videos included in this thread but the effect is very subtle and barely noticeable there. I also read about "ABL" picture adjustments but I am not sure what it does exactly and how to tell them apart.
2. Is this Logic Board Update also applicable for German or Euro models (PS64D8090 / PS64D8000)?
3. Is there confirmation that it fixes the Brightness Pops for German or Euro models?
4. Can I undo the update in case it doesn't work or even make things worse?
5. If yes, where to get the original Logic Board Firmware?
Thank you very much in advance!
Regards from Germany!

yes, the logic board update works with all non-US models that have tested it so far so it should be fine for you. As stated in the first post it will change the behavior of black level rise during average picture level increases from a more abrupt characteristic to a smoother one. It is non-reversible.
post #1207 of 1615
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

yes, the logic board update works with all non-US models that have tested it so far so it should be fine for you. As stated in the first post it will change the behavior of black level rise during average picture level increases from a more abrupt characteristic to a smoother one. It is non-reversible.
Technicaly you could have the hardware replaced.
post #1208 of 1615
If I get a US model [refurbushed] w/later than 1014.6 firmware, it should have no flashing (FBr) correct?
BIG thanks.
post #1209 of 1615
Thread Starter 
It probably will still have it, check the logic board firmware version.
post #1210 of 1615
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

yes, the logic board update works with all non-US models that have tested it so far so it should be fine for you. As stated in the first post it will change the behavior of black level rise during average picture level increases from a more abrupt characteristic to a smoother one. It is non-reversible.

You speak of change in "black level rise" but I take it that you also think that I have encountered "FBr" due to my description, right?

Thank you zoyd!
post #1211 of 1615
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

Technicaly you could have the hardware replaced.

yes, a new logic board will have the old firmware.
post #1212 of 1615
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimkineast View Post

You speak of change in "black level rise" but I take it that you also think that I have encountered "FBr" due to my description, right?
Thank you zoyd!

All D series panels have the type of FBr I described, a sudden rise in mll with average picture level. The logic board update smooths this transition to make it less noticeable.
post #1213 of 1615
Quick question -- not sure this is the place.

I have a PN59D8000 (for about 1 year now). I've been happy with it albeit one thing that has been bothering me.

During the day or with lights on the screen is brighter than at night or with the lights off. It is as if there is a light sensor in the TV and it dims it based on the room lighting.

I've turned off all features like the Eco feature, Dynamic Contrast, etc., is there something that I'm missing and is there a setting that makes it stop dimming in low light and being brighter in bright light, or is this how Plasma displays work?

I don't get the "pops" you guys are describing here, or at least I have never noticed sudden changes in brightness or sudden decreases in brightness, but I do get the annoying "dimming" when it gets darker in the room.

Any help?

Thanks!
post #1214 of 1615
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Originally Posted by KevinNash View Post

Hummm so like me and MrCoops, EU PS51D550 too ?
Did you remark a very low black level after the update ( that's my case, as I said before, my blacks are 3 times lowers since the logic board update ) ?

hey, sorry for the long delay in reply. Yeah I notice that the black levels are much lower (worse) then they were before. I don't have a meter to tell specifically what they are but it's quite noticeable. I'm also noticing the flickering is more noticeable then it was when I first got the tv. I have a service ticket in again with samsung so we'll see what happens. I know there's really nothing they can do to fix these issues but I'm really going to press the issue with samsung until it's resolved to my liking.

Oh and also my 3D glasses won't sync to the tv. My suspicion is that they either forgot to put the blutooth transmitter in when they assembled the core (the cores are buits from used parts btw) or they put an older IR type. If I find out it's an old IR transmitter I'm gonna go batsh@t on samsung.
post #1215 of 1615
Samsung tech come next Tuesday, they ordered a piece but I don't know which ( a new panel maybe ? )

To check your bluetooth, if you have a smartphone or any devices with bluetooth search, use it when you TV is on, it must find the Sammy " DTVBluetooth " wink.gif
post #1216 of 1615
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Originally Posted by KevinNash View Post

Samsung tech come next Tuesday, they ordered a piece but I don't know which ( a new panel maybe ? )
To check your bluetooth, if you have a smartphone or any devices with bluetooth search, use it when you TV is on, it must find the Sammy " DTVBluetooth " wink.gif

oh yeah, already did that with my phone.

Odds are they'll bring a refurbished core unit which consists of everything but the Power supply, speakers and the input jack panel.
post #1217 of 1615
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Originally Posted by killerz298 View Post

Unfortunately I am back to this thread after about 4 months of pop-free viewing. Today was the first time I saw the fluctuations since I installed the FW fix. I was watching a downloaded HD episode of Weeds. A Distinctive Horn Season 5, Episode 8. The fluctuations started occurring at the end of the episode during the bris scene. I will keep my eye out for any further issues but if I see 1 fluctuation in 4 months that is good enough for me.

I'm experiencing the exact same thing as well. I did the fix about 5 months ago and have had absolutely zero brightness pops... until a few days ago. Now I'm getting pops on just about every program I watch and it seems to be as bad as before I did the fix. Anyone else experiencing this or have any ideas? Everything on my TV is the same (settings, firmware, etc.)
post #1218 of 1615
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Originally Posted by makinbiscuits View Post

oh yeah, already did that with my phone.
Odds are they'll bring a refurbished core unit which consists of everything but the Power supply, speakers and the input jack panel.

They came with a new panel yesterday ( including new logic board ) BUT it was cracked everywhere by transport hurt, so I wait again.
post #1219 of 1615
I applied the fix months ago as well. I got a USB stick from Samsung. I had months of zero FBR and now they're sort of back but not entirely. It's odd... It's not even that distracting but I'm now getting 'some' sort of fluctuation reintroduced just not to the level that I had before. I've tested many scenes that I had before and I don't get the sudden jump 8 out of 10 examples. However I do find times where it actually darkens instead of lightens black areas. It's like a jump in the opposite direction depending on where i have my brightness set. Occasionally I will also see slight pops like I did before but it's very rare. I worry that this is the start of a full on FBR issue again only this time combined with the opposite effect. I also worry this is why Samsung never released the firmware to the general public.

EDIT: This is for the PN59D8000 - I'll also note that I've been running the latest FW since it was released
post #1220 of 1615
It would be nice if users, who experience FBR again months after applying the fix, post their used hours of the panel. So we can see if there is a behaviour programmed into the logicboard to compensate for panel aging effects. Just press "mute,7,3,7,enter" on the remote and look under "MRT". That number is your panel age in hours.
It is possible that the returning of FBR will only last for a short time until the panel behaves as predicted at an specific age. The maybe programmed compensation in the logicboard can not be accurate timewise. There have to be a short timeperiod in which sideeffects of the aging and compensating will be noticed. After that period the tv set should be normal again.

That is how I would interpret the behaviour some people discribe as changing brightness pop intensity sometimes.
post #1221 of 1615
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Originally Posted by KevinNash View Post

They came with a new panel yesterday ( including new logic board ) BUT it was cracked everywhere by transport hurt, so I wait again.

the waiting is the hardest part. Sorry to hear that and hope they get you up and running again soon.

I just had the tech here to replace the blutooth transmitter and my 3D glasses are working again. I had him look at some blu ray scenes too to show him how "dark grey" the blacks look. He said for this model panel they def. should look better. I had him document everything and will give samsung a call AGAIN to express my displeasure.
post #1222 of 1615
Too bad the techs aren't " real techs ", they could optimize our panels !

I saw one strange thing between my actual panel and the cracked one :

- On mine I have Va 58 Vsc -190 Vs 205 and Ve 83

- On the new but cracked one : Va 58 Vsc -187 Vs 207 and Ve 80

BUT the new panel was without power board, so if the tech could replace it, it was with my old power board.

In that case, the voltages would be wrong no ? I suppose the tech won't set them according to the new panel or must he do ?

What zoyd think about this differents voltages ?
post #1223 of 1615
The auto dimming on my Panasonic 2012 X5 plasma is driving me nuts....I refuse to game on it because of this very reason. In game mode, everything is bright and colorful...But not even 10 minutes later the auto dimming rears its nasty head and the entire picture becomes(you guess it) Dull & Dim.
I know how to access the service menu. Hold -VOL on theTV and press 'info' on the remote 3 times to get in. But i have no idea if there's an option in there or if it's labeled as something else....I've also seen the Service menu user manual online, but I can't seem to find anything on it that relates to auto dimming.
Maybe there is, but i'm guesing it's coded diferently. This is the only reason why plasma's piss me off. This stupid annoying Auto dimming bs is ridiculous and the fact that there's no option for it on the main menu is mind boggling. And the problem i have with LCD's is of course the horrible motion detail smearing which is why i'll never again bother with an LCD or LED...it's just unecceptable.
post #1224 of 1615
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Originally Posted by Soopermario View Post

It would be nice if users, who experience FBR again months after applying the fix, post their used hours of the panel. So we can see if there is a behaviour programmed into the logicboard to compensate for panel aging effects. Just press "mute,7,3,7,enter" on the remote and look under "MRT". That number is your panel age in hours.
It is possible that the returning of FBR will only last for a short time until the panel behaves as predicted at an specific age. The maybe programmed compensation in the logicboard can not be accurate timewise. There have to be a short timeperiod in which sideeffects of the aging and compensating will be noticed. After that period the tv set should be normal again.
That is how I would interpret the behaviour some people discribe as changing brightness pop intensity sometimes.

I have 850 hours of usage on my 59" 7000.
post #1225 of 1615
Ugh, I came back to this thread after I've started to notice fluctuating brightness on my panel again - after thinking that I had fixed the problem with the logic board upate back in February when I first bought it.

Sitting here with 878 hours on my panel and I'm really pissed that this is now ruining my experience with my TV set.

Not sure why Samsung hasn't addressed this issue with some sort of permanent fix.
post #1226 of 1615
It's hilarious how much more appealing LCDs would be if they produced the same motion handeling of a plasma. If that were the case i wouldn't go plasma ever again. For gaming, LCD's offer a cleaner and brighter image with Zero auto dimming, and no picture glare. It's just the bloody awful motion handeling(possible screen clouding as well hehe) that basically becomes the deal breaker for so many people out there including me and of course the generally weak black levels unless you opt for a higher end set.

Maybe i'm just destined to game on a 32" CRT Tube TV, ever since i jumped into HDTV land as far as gaming is concerned(input lag, auto dimming or LCD motion smearing) i've been very frustrated...
Give me a plasma for movies and i'm good to go, but for gaming both technoligies are flawed. I want a Super OLED damnit. tongue.gif
post #1227 of 1615
So about 850 hours and the FBR is back. When did you notice it? How many hours approximately before you looked after the 850 / 878 hours?
And we need people with their hours who don't notice FBR after the logic board fix. If there are people with 900+ hours and no FBR you can hope that it will soon be gone. But if even with 1000+ hours the FBR is still there than maybe it's not the logic board software that causes it.

The hours you noticed normaly have to be the ones from the first power on of the panel. But if the logic board update resets the hours then it will be more difficult to compare different set's.
Did someone look after the MRT-entry in logic menu after the fix? Does it stay unchanged or is it reset?

If we know all this we can make further speculations.
post #1228 of 1615
I started to notice mine while watching episodes of Breaking Bad on Netflix last week. I'd say I had approximately 855-860 hours on the panel at that point.

I updated the logic software within the first hour or two of having the panel so an hours reset should be moot in my case.
post #1229 of 1615
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

I started to notice mine while watching episodes of Breaking Bad on Netflix last week. I'd say I had approximately 855-860 hours on the panel at that point.
I updated the logic software within the first hour or two of having the panel so an hours reset should be moot in my case.

I do not think your new fbr problem is related to accumulated usage of the TV. Certain material has unstable black levels on these sets. Period! I noticed it on Sons of Anarchy, but only certain scenes. That was back when i first updated the logic board too, with minimal hours on this set. Unfortunately, I believe it has just taken you longer to stumble across the content that will show fbr. I have also noticed this on Breaking Bad tv broadcast as well as certain scenes in movies. NOBODY WANTS TO LISTEN TO ME AND START A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AND GET ALL BRAND NEW E SERIES. I saw the Pn64e7000 yesterday in Fry's and it seemed to handle black levels very stable on content where I would expect the D series to have trouble.
post #1230 of 1615
My PN51E490 has this problem too. And this is the only 2012 Sammy w/out a f/w upd8 available. The only reason I bought this is because Samsung reps @ CES 2012 mentioned that the fbr issued had been resolved, NOT on mine it hasn't! mad.gif
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