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post #1 of 37
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I was hoping to find a good deal on a used older model NAD receiver or amp, since newer receivers have so many hdmi problems or high failure rates. the prices are $100.00 to $300.00 bye the time all the bids go up or the high craigslist asking price. I am getting better deals from dealers to get the newer models. I can't afford the newer models yet. I need about 2 to 300 more saved. I noticed some shipping cost from certain users on ebay were 16 bucks, and others over 40 bucks. if I find a good deal on ebay the 40 dollar shipping makes me want to stay away from the good deal. One thing I hate seeing listed on ads is the word vintage. Almost every time I see that word listed in a ad, the people want outrageous amounts of money for it. I know it's old, but it doesn't justify the high price. I feel like the sellers take advantage of the buyers on ebay, because they know they want that NAD brand really bad. They might figure someone will pay the high price for even a 80s model that may or may not die in a week. Do any of you ever get frustrated with ebay and craigslist and some high prices on older equipment? Do you have any personal experiences, with bad ebay gear that said it was good condition on the NAD amp or receiver?
post #2 of 37
is there a point to this?
post #3 of 37
well, huhhh, have you considered not buying these said amps? It's called "market value" as long as there are buyers willing to spend the money, the prices will remain where they are.
post #4 of 37
Wow, that's a whole lot of questions in a giant run on paragraph.

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I feel like the sellers take advantage of the buyers on ebay, because they know they want that NAD brand really bad.

Nad does it so why shouldn't people on Ebay?
post #5 of 37
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Originally Posted by keyboardcat View Post

I was hoping to find a good deal on a used older model NAD receiver or amp, since newer receivers have so many hdmi problems or high failure rates. the prices are $100.00 to $300.00 bye the time all the bids go up or the high craigslist asking price. I am getting better deals from dealers to get the newer models. I can't afford the newer models yet. I need about 2 to 300 more saved. I noticed some shipping cost from certain users on ebay were 16 bucks, and others over 40 bucks. if I find a good deal on ebay the 40 dollar shipping makes me want to stay away from the good deal. One thing I hate seeing listed on ads is the word vintage. Almost every time I see that word listed in a ad, the people want outrageous amounts of money for it. I know it's old, but it doesn't justify the high price. I feel like the sellers take advantage of the buyers on ebay, because they know they want that NAD brand really bad. They might figure someone will pay the high price for even a 80s model that may or may not die in a week. Do any of you ever get frustrated with ebay and craigslist and some high prices on older equipment? Do you have any personal experiences, with bad ebay gear that said it was good condition on the NAD amp or receiver?

People are outbidding you on ebay, which means that there are people willing to pay those prices, which means that the prices are not 'too high' (for you, maybe, but not for the market).

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I feel like the sellers take advantage of the buyers on ebay, because they know they want that NAD brand really bad.

It's the buyers that set the prices on ebay, so if you are looking for someone to blame, blame the other bidders.

Buy a different brand, one that you can afford.
post #6 of 37
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I want to buy the newer amps with cash, so I don't have credit card debt. I can't afford it right now. I really wanted to try out a older model to see if I like NAD, but the prices I feel like are steep I think for old NAD. Do old NAD models sound as good as newer models? I don't watch movies on t.v hardly ever so it would be mostly music.
post #7 of 37
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okay user 5 seconds give me some good cheaper brands that are intergraded. I hear people talk about marantz, NAD, Rotel, Cambridge Audio, What other brands are around that are cheap that are intergraded? I would buy one of the cheaper receivers at the big box stores, but I don't think it would even last a year after all of the bad reviews on those models that I read failing on people.
post #8 of 37
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Originally Posted by keyboardcat View Post

I want to buy the newer amps with cash, so I don't have credit card debt. I can't afford it right now. I really wanted to try out a older model to see if I like NAD, but the prices I feel like are steep I think for old NAD. Do old NAD models sound as good as newer models? I don't watch movies on t.v hardly ever so it would be mostly music.

You want to buy an older amp to see if you will like the newer one you really want to buy? Seriously?

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okay user 5 seconds give me some good cheaper brands that are intergraded. I hear people talk about marantz, NAD, Rotel, Cambridge Audio, What other brands are around that are cheap that are intergraded? I would buy one of the cheaper receivers at the big box stores, but I don't think it would even last a year after all of the bad reviews on those models that I read failing on people.

Any of those listed will be a good start. What more do you want?

By 'intergraded' are you saying you are not open to a receiver?
post #9 of 37
Thread Starter 
5 seconds A lot of products don't have good quality like they use to. Other people told me that NAD and Even Rotel doesn't make the same quality products that they use to make. Televisions seem to have high failure rates even. I don't know a lot of friends who had a lcd tv that lasted longer then 3 years. Some of my friends had the lcd die in under a year. I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a new NAD amp if it's not going to be good quality like a older model. Some new NAD amps have been known to make a clicking noise. I want to buy something that isn't going to die on me in a year or two. if I do end up buying a new NAD amp, I hope that it last longer then that. I hear a lot of reports about Cambridge Audio having a channel go bad after not owning it for a while.
post #10 of 37
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I may be open to a receiver 5 seconds. Is sherwood really that bad for a cheap receiver? What about pyle? Is it pretty bad or okay? maybe it's best to get something cheap till I can afford what I really want. I hear horror stories about onkyo and Denon. so I am staying away from those brands. I use to have a sony receiver that lasted 6 years but when i try to switch inputs to cd or radio it shuts off. The only thing I can do with it is play sound from the computer with the 3.5mm jack. I will keep it for that for now. Any cheap receiver that will sound better then my kenwood receiver that is about to die?
post #11 of 37
If you want a quality product that will last a long time, you will need to spend more than a few hundred. Depending on what you are trying to run you might want to consider emotiva's mini-x a-100 integrated amp. It's $219 with free shipping.

http://emotiva.com/a100.shtm
post #12 of 37
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Originally Posted by keyboardcat View Post

I was hoping to find a good deal on a used older model NAD receiver or amp, since newer receivers have so many hdmi problems or high failure rates. the prices are $100.00 to $300.00 bye the time all the bids go up or the high craigslist asking price. I am getting better deals from dealers to get the newer models. I can't afford the newer models yet. I need about 2 to 300 more saved. I noticed some shipping cost from certain users on ebay were 16 bucks, and others over 40 bucks. if I find a good deal on ebay the 40 dollar shipping makes me want to stay away from the good deal. One thing I hate seeing listed on ads is the word vintage. Almost every time I see that word listed in a ad, the people want outrageous amounts of money for it. I know it's old, but it doesn't justify the high price. I feel like the sellers take advantage of the buyers on ebay, because they know they want that NAD brand really bad. They might figure someone will pay the high price for even a 80s model that may or may not die in a week. Do any of you ever get frustrated with ebay and craigslist and some high prices on older equipment? Do you have any personal experiences, with bad ebay gear that said it was good condition on the NAD amp or receiver?

Shipping will run you anywhere from $25-40 depending upon weight of item and insurance specified.

Also people will pay for older stuff that has a known reliability record.

One thing I have noticed as that as the industry moved to RoHS standard, the reliability of electrionics is NOT what it used to be.....I got lots of stuff from the 80's that STILL works and will continue to do so for a time to come yet....
post #13 of 37
Ive got to old NAD receivers you can have cheap.....because they don't work. I am [was] a die hard NAD fan, but, perhaps just me, they break. My 773 has been in the shop 3 times, now it sits dead again, with no repair shop within 100 miles. My really old 7140 has been in the shop 4 times, now it sits dead to.....I won't spend that kind of money on a HT receiver again. My Magnapan speakers are currently being powered by a 10 year old 35w/ch HK receiver, because i can't afford anything else right now. my $0.02
post #14 of 37
What is your purpose for buying this NAD? I guess two channel music? What feature set are you looking for? What will you be connecting to it? And how much are you really willing to spend?

I also dont understand why you want to buy an old NAD so that you can buy a new one later.

This is a confusing post or maybe I have bad comprehension today.
post #15 of 37
Not everything that is old is worth being called vintage. It also bears keeping in mind NAD has had periods where the three initials making up its name stood for Not Always Defective.
post #16 of 37
I've never been a fan of NAD "receivers", just seems like its a 50/50 crap shoot hoping that you'll end up with a RELIABLE model. Seeing the post by ramw5p is a typical NAD receiver experience which is why I stay away from them. Luckily, the reliability sterotype hasn't plagued NAD amps! Do your research on finding out which NAD "amp" models to go for, I particularly would only buy the C-series for two channel, and the T-series for multichannel. The M25 is tops but thats too pricey and out of my league
post #17 of 37
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Originally Posted by keyboardcat View Post

I want to buy the newer amps with cash, so I don't have credit card debt. I can't afford it right now. I really wanted to try out a older model to see if I like NAD, but the prices I feel like are steep I think for old NAD. Do old NAD models sound as good as newer models? I don't watch movies on t.v hardly ever so it would be mostly music.

Why would you want an older NAD. They were the British Jaguar of audio electronics back in the day. The joke with that vintage of Jaguar was a free oil spot was included with every purchase.

Spend $300 on a Peavey IPR 1600 or Crown XLS 1000 Drive Core and be done with it. Or are you after the badge vs high fidelity audio reproduction?
post #18 of 37
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Originally Posted by ramw5p View Post

Ive got to old NAD receivers you can have cheap.....because they don't work. I am [was] a die hard NAD fan, but, perhaps just me, they break. My 773 has been in the shop 3 times, now it sits dead again, with no repair shop within 100 miles. My really old 7140 has been in the shop 4 times, now it sits dead to.....I won't spend that kind of money on a HT receiver again. My Magnapan speakers are currently being powered by a 10 year old 35w/ch HK receiver, because i can't afford anything else right now. my $0.02

Two guys at Audioholics recently had their NADs go on them...
post #19 of 37
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Two guys at Audioholics recently had their NADs go on them...

wonder which models they had? I think with NAD you really need to be up on knowing the right model number to get to avoid problems. I have two, a 5-channel T-955 and a 7-channel T-975, and never had a problem with either of them.
post #20 of 37
If you like vintage gear brush up on your soldering because they all experience cap failure at a certain age they sometimes leak causing other issues but most of the time
they just swell or at least thats been my experience.
post #21 of 37
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Originally Posted by keyboardcat View Post

I may be open to a receiver 5 seconds. Is sherwood really that bad for a cheap receiver? What about pyle? Is it pretty bad or okay? maybe it's best to get something cheap till I can afford what I really want. I hear horror stories about onkyo and Denon. so I am staying away from those brands. I use to have a sony receiver that lasted 6 years but when i try to switch inputs to cd or radio it shuts off. The only thing I can do with it is play sound from the computer with the 3.5mm jack. I will keep it for that for now. Any cheap receiver that will sound better then my kenwood receiver that is about to die?

Why don't you look into one of the H/K stereo receivers? The 3390/3490 are very good buys and not expensive. I have a 3390 that works as its supposed to and sounds great. Plenty of power, the ability to add 1 or 2 subs,and so far very dependable. If you need/want digital connections look at the 3490. It's higher but well worth the extra dollars for what you get. Just another option. They do deliver on their specs as well as NAD.


http://www.crutchfield.com/p_532HK33....html?tp=47041
post #22 of 37
Member here also has what appears to be a good receiver. Pioneer Elite. Contact him and get the info. you need.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1388532
post #23 of 37
If you can get a decent T955 for around $500 or a T975 for around $800, I would jump on it. Otherwise, NAD doesn't really offer anything worth it. IMO.
post #24 of 37
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Originally Posted by keyboardcat View Post

I was hoping to find a good deal on a used older model NAD receiver or amp, since newer receivers have so many hdmi problems or high failure rates. the prices are $100.00 to $300.00 bye the time all the bids go up or the high craigslist asking price. I am getting better deals from dealers to get the newer models. I can't afford the newer models yet. I need about 2 to 300 more saved. I noticed some shipping cost from certain users on ebay were 16 bucks, and others over 40 bucks. if I find a good deal on ebay the 40 dollar shipping makes me want to stay away from the good deal. One thing I hate seeing listed on ads is the word vintage. Almost every time I see that word listed in a ad, the people want outrageous amounts of money for it. I know it's old, but it doesn't justify the high price. I feel like the sellers take advantage of the buyers on ebay, because they know they want that NAD brand really bad. They might figure someone will pay the high price for even a 80s model that may or may not die in a week. Do any of you ever get frustrated with ebay and craigslist and some high prices on older equipment? Do you have any personal experiences, with bad ebay gear that said it was good condition on the NAD amp or receiver?

There is a nostalgia thing with the old legendary stereo brands especially Marantz, Harman/Kardon, McIntosh and NAD. However one has to know some background and experience for which models were the better products.

A good example are the Marantz stereo receivers, back 25 years their products were built like a battleship and their amplifier sections still perform exceptional as today's too many brands & products have been slimmed down. Back then the Marantz receiver amplifier sections would deliver 20-40% more real power above rated and were high current as well. It is fairly common that on E-Bagger an older Marantz receiver such as a 2270 or 2600 will sell for 2-4x its original SRP.

However, I would strongly recommend that the purchaser have some electronics expertise & repair skill as they may need some upgrades/tweaks.

Just my $0.02..
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There is a nostalgia thing with the old legendary stereo brands especially Marantz, Harman/Kardon, McIntosh and NAD.

you are so right...
and add Sansui

their G series stereos were tanks, the G33000 had the most raw power ever put in a stereo receiver, 300 watts ea ch @ 8 ohms 5-20K < 0.009% THD. It was even built like separates in 2 components.

and except for the outboard Fosgate super-SQ decoders, the last gen Sansui quadraphonic receivers are still considered by quad buffs to be the most advanced ever made. I still have mine, restored & all the known problems with cold solder joints, re-soldered & pinned, all new caps and still fully functional in all 3 quad modes. And I still like those power meters

I've seen several 33000's go for ~$3K on 'bay and restored & tweaked Sansui QRX quads can bring ~$2K or higher. All depends on who's looking
post #26 of 37
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you are so right...
and add Sansui

their G series stereos were tanks, the G33000 had the most raw power ever put in a stereo receiver, 300 watts ea ch @ 8 ohms 5-20K < 0.009% THD. It was even built like separates in 2 components.

and except for the outboard Fosgate super-SQ decoders, the last gen Sansui quadraphonic receivers are still considered by quad buffs to be the most advanced ever made. I still have mine, restored & all the known problems with cold solder joints, re-soldered & pinned, all new caps and still fully functional in all 3 quad modes. And I still like those power meters

I've seen several 33000's go for ~$3K on 'bay and restored & tweaked Sansui QRX quads can bring ~$2K or higher. All depends on who's looking


In quad stuff the QS system was the best..
The basic problem Sansui had was that they infringed on other patents for matrix encoding and eventually were forced to pull back.. The QS system worked on frequency/phase differences while tweaking the EQ accordingly.

I still have a prototype Marantz QS decoder that never went into production due to the legal issues..
But it worked incredible in its day..

Just my $0.02...
post #27 of 37
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I noticed some shipping cost from certain users on ebay were 16 bucks, and others over 40 bucks. if I find a good deal on ebay the 40 dollar shipping makes me want to stay away from the good deal

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your complaints but on shipping alone, you have a very unrealistic idea of what it costs to ship 50-60 lb of damage-prone gear without original box around the country. UPS charges are based not just on weight but on the dimensions of the package.

Close to 2 yrs ago, I shipped my Sansui to a restorer in PA. One way UPS cost to ship 60 lb from GA to PA was about $120 including ample bubble wrap packaging & peanuts to minimize potential for damage, double boxing & insurance. So it costs ME $240 for having it worked on.

I've sold 2 of my older Pioneer Elite AVR's on Ebay, both weighed about 70 lbs & both times it cost ME, the seller, $80-100 even in original shipping boxes. My shipping cost was added to the price in the auctions. If you expect a seller to charge you $16 & eat the rest on gear he's already losing money on, you are a dreamer

Complaining about $40 shipping on a $300 receiver? Sorry, I am totally unsympathetic. $16 gets you a 10-12 lb player sent several states in its original compact box. If all you want is a bargain, go to Best Buy and buy the latest budget models for $299.

And try learning about reality before you rant
post #28 of 37
Not all NAD products sounded good. They did have some winners here and there. I think even the winners among the group could be outperformed with cheaper gear today. And reliability was never one of NAD's strengths.
post #29 of 37
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Not all NAD products sounded good. They did have some winners here and there. I think even the winners among the group could be outperformed with cheaper gear today. And reliability was never one of NAD's strengths.

I've never owned any NAD products but always assumed they were considered some of the best reliability-wise. Guess I was wrong

On H-K legacy receivers, my very 1st receiver in '72 was an H-K and you would never catch me buying another one 40 yrs later! It had multiple problems as soon as the warranty expired & in the shop months at a time. I also bought a H-K CD-4 quad demodulator....it was dead right out of the box!

If you peruse the forum, it's only been several years ago, H-K still seemed to have more than the usual share of reliability issues. Maybe that's why there's so many H-K refurbs for sale here & there

Based on my own experiences & reading many posts, H-K would be one of the last brands I'd ever consider - that goes for vintage or modern
post #30 of 37
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I've never owned any NAD products but always assumed they were considered some of the best reliability-wise. Guess I was wrong

On H-K legacy receivers, my very 1st receiver in '72 was an H-K and you would never catch me buying another one 40 yrs later! It had multiple problems as soon as the warranty expired & in the shop months at a time. I also bought a H-K CD-4 quad demodulator....it was dead right out of the box!

If you peruse the forum, it's only been several years ago, H-K still seemed to have more than the usual share of reliability issues. Maybe that's why there's so many H-K refurbs for sale here & there

Based on my own experiences & reading many posts, H-K would be one of the last brands I'd ever consider - that goes for vintage or modern

I think that was true with the X54 series, but since the X600 series came out, I haven't heard that at all.
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