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post #31 of 203
1/26/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by mikeewing View Post

Keep us on our toes, VisionOn.

I intentionally skipped the nitpicking in this episode because it was fun for the most part.

Well except for that Iraqi kid, who most likely was executed shortly after that oven (which mysteriously appeared in his home) was installed for failing to carry out his assignment and being able to identify the terrorists. It's just lucky the militants didn't wire the bomb in the usual way otherwise he would have been dead as soon as the phone rang, when he removed the battery or have been manually triggered by an observer who was making sure he didn't chicken out of detonation. You know, typical operating procedure for terrorists.

Dammit Chloe! I said I wasn't going to do that!
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post #32 of 203
1/26/12 at 2:35pm
Yeah, the whole Iraqi kid scenario just didn't work for me either. They were gonna steal an oven. An oven. It's not like a candy bar. It's an oven. Were they gonna strap it to their bikes and peddle off into the sunset? But I guess since the guy who lost his phone sells restaurant supplies, and his phone was going to be the detonator, this his how they were touched. This aside, I did enjoy the show.
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post #33 of 203
1/26/12 at 2:52pm
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It was scheduled to run 1:07.

When I first scheduled in my Tivo, it was ok. Then it got cancelled because of a conflict with my 9pm recordings (CST). Hopefully pilot will be rebroadcast.
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post #34 of 203
1/26/12 at 3:22pm
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Yeah, the whole Iraqi kid scenario just didn't work for me either. They were gonna steal an oven. An oven. It's not like a candy bar. It's an oven. Were they gonna strap it to their bikes and peddle off into the sunset?

LOL!

I was fairly impressed with the the 1st episode, including the soundtrack and the PQ (The PQ was infinitely better than Fox's Alcatraz).
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post #35 of 203
1/26/12 at 3:30pm
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Yeah, the whole Iraqi kid scenario just didn't work for me either. They were gonna steal an oven. An oven. It's not like a candy bar. It's an oven. Were they gonna strap it to their bikes and peddle off into the sunset? But I guess since the guy who lost his phone sells restaurant supplies, and his phone was going to be the detonator, this his how they were touched.

They were in the store to measure it up to see if it would fit in a truck. Which is kind of redundant considering they could have just measured the broken oven - it was the same thing.

They skipped over the guy who lost the phone being persuaded to sell one stove and fill out all the import and customs forms to ship to Baghdad. That's not exactly like shipping to Queens. We can only assume he did it because the kid returned the phone, but we never saw it at the end. Maybe it was held as evidence. What do you do with a bomb vest if it doesn't go off?

It would have made more sense for the operator who dialled the phone to have prematurely detonated the explosive during assembly. Killing all the terrorists at the same time. Which is what I was expecting. That would have taken care of the bad guys and prevented the kid from being murdered shortly after the credits rolled.

They could have acquired the oven easily if the restaurant owner was one of the dead terrorists. Why else would they be using the restaurant to plan the attack?

edit: talking about this reminded me of this news story from last year:

A "Black Widow" suicide bomber planned a terrorist attack in central Moscow on New Year's Eve but was killed when an unexpected text message set off her bomb too early, according to Russian security sources.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...y-mistake.html
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post #36 of 203
1/26/12 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by Mortytoo View Post

missed the last 7 min... now I have to wait for the replay...unless someone post it....

Got cut off here via comcast as well. Here's the ending section of a recap I dug up if it helps:

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The Baghdadi boy is walking nervously through the marketplace in a heavy jacket. He hears a cell phone ringing and ducks into a building and unzips the jacket, revealing a suicide belt. On the other end of the phone is Kayla, who tells him he's using a phone that doesn't belong to him. The boy tells Kayla that they're using the phone to explode the bomb. He begs her to tell everyone that he wasn't a bad person. Kayla tells him to take the battery out of the phone. He says he has no choice and Kayla asks him what would make him do this. An oven, he says. She says she knows just the person who can help. Meanwhile, the phone is counting down in very large green numbers. With one second to spare, he takes out the battery.

Martin and Claire track Jake down to the cell phone tower. In voiceover, Jake tells us that the ratio is always the same, etc., as we see everyone who has been touched by the numbers. There's a YouTube video of Kayla on the Jumbotron with more than a million hits, Simon comes home to his wife, the Baghdadi family gets their new oven and Randall boards a bus to Virginia.

Martin climbs up the cell tower to get Jake. Martin tells Jake about the kids on the bus who were saved because of him. I can hear you now, he tells Jake, who slowly turns his head toward Martin and looks at his father and then hugs him. Then he grabs the cell phone out of Martin's pocket and dials a number. It's a road map, he tells Claire as he dials. When the phone picks up, Martin tells the man at the other end that it may sound crazy, but they are supposed to find each other.

http://haveuheard.net/2012/01/kiefer...t-recap-12512/


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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

LOL!

I was fairly impressed with the the 1st episode, including the soundtrack and the PQ (The PQ was infinitely better than Fox's Alcatraz).

Not sure what the issue is with your viewing of Alcatraz but via comcast here the first ep of Touch was a step below what the PQ of Alcatraz has been. Alcatraz has some softness here and there but much of it has actually looked pretty good. Touch on the other hand looked quite soft all the way through for me. Maybe it's that funky TV of yours


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post #37 of 203
1/26/12 at 6:41pm
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Not sure what the issue is with your viewing of Alcatraz but via comcast here the first ep of Touch was a step below what the PQ of Alcatraz has been. Alcatraz has some softness here and there but much of it has actually looked pretty good. Touch on the other hand looked quite soft all the way through for me. Maybe it's that funky TV of yours


ron

All I can say is Touch looked excellent via Dish Network on my *funky* tv (A Pioneer KURO plasma...for those who don't know what ron is referring to) and Alcatraz looked soft with murky blacks and less-than-stellar details. I guess we have an enigma here that we'll probably never solve!
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post #38 of 203
1/26/12 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

LOL!

I was fairly impressed with the the 1st episode, including the soundtrack and the PQ (The PQ was infinitely better than Fox's Alcatraz).

I agree with your PQ assessment, a fair amount better than Alcatraz even on my "funky" Sony LCD
I liked Touch, kind of reminded me of Numbers, another show centering on numbers and patterns. While I really liked Touch it wasn't one of those shows one can think a lot about. Once I started doing that it brought up all kinds of questions, #1 being how did everyone who found that cell phone know they were supposed to record something on it? Like no one thought, nice phone I think I'll keep it Even with that I still enjoyed Touch, I gave up on Alcatraz so I should probably watch at least one FOX program other than local news
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post #39 of 203
1/26/12 at 9:19pm
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I agree with your PQ assessment, a fair amount better than Alcatraz even on my "funky" Sony LCD
I liked Touch, kind of reminded me of Numbers, another show centering on numbers and patterns. While I really liked Touch it wasn't one of those shows one can think a lot about. Once I started doing that it brought up all kinds of questions, #1 being how did everyone who found that cell phone know they were supposed to record something on it? Like no one thought, nice phone I think I'll keep it Even with that I still enjoyed Touch, I gave up on Alcatraz so I should probably watch at least one FOX program other than local news

First of all, Sony makes a very good LCD!

I think I'm ready to call it quits on Alcatraz too; I was sorely disappointed in the last episode.

Touch may resemble other shows/movies, but all things considered I found it to be unique. It kept my attention all the way through and I'm looking forward to the premiere in March....it sucks though that Fox is making us wait that long!
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post #40 of 203
1/27/12 at 7:09am
I don't know about this one.... It was stuffed plum full of plot holes big enough to drive a truck through and all the coincidences didn't really tie together in any kind of manner remotely realistic, IMO. My wife, a former social worker, kept rolling her eyes at the ridiculous amount of time and attention a fairly well-off white kid would get from an urban special-needs system that didn't look remotely stressed (are there any?). I kept wondering where I could get an inexhaustible power supply like that for my cell phone. I wondered how working a 50 hr/wk rat-ramp job would provide him more time with his son than his former newspaper writing gig. And so on...

And then there were the unmistakable Kring touches where I was reminded too much of 'Heroes', a show that wore it's sci-fi/fantasy label clearly on its sleeve. This show is supposed to be set in the "real world", but there is no savant alive with a superpower like this.

I'll stick with it for awhile, mainly because my wife liked the sappy schmaltz aspect to it and I've got a lot of residual affection for Keifer Bauer. But if they don't make the plotlines a little easier to both follow and swallow, I may not hang in there for long. Too much other, better stuff out there - I'm waiting on 'The River', especially.
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post #41 of 203
1/27/12 at 11:10am
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And then there were the unmistakable Kring touches where I was reminded too much of 'Heroes', a show that wore it's sci-fi/fantasy label clearly on its sleeve. This show is supposed to be set in the "real world", but there is no savant alive with a superpower like this.

I didn't think the precognitive stuff was that big of deal in comparison to the kid somehow engineering all the phones with no service to simultaneously ring with the same number with nobody apparently dialing them!

Whaaaaaaaa?

Now he could be an alien in a human child form or John Doe* but the narration doesn't make him sound any different to anyone else.

*obscure reference that will not make any sense for those who didn't follow that show after it was cancelled.
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post #42 of 203
1/27/12 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

All I can say is Touch looked excellent via Dish Network on my *funky* tv (A Pioneer KURO plasma...for those who don't know what ron is referring to) and Alcatraz looked soft with murky blacks and less-than-stellar details. I guess we have an enigma here that we'll probably never solve!

Not unusual for different people with different providers in different areas of the country to experience variations in PQ. Both shows being on the same channel would seem to rule out network distribution factors though and even local subchannel differences. When I watched this week's ep of Alcatraz I paid extra attention to the PQ and the only muted colors and murky blacks I saw were during the "flashback" sequences which of course are purposely desaturated to near monotone for effect. Otherwise the color/contrast levels looked fine. Not ridiculously over boosted like some shows these days, but quite natural. And I didn't think the levels on Touch were bad either, but it was soft and grainy looking throughout like a 16mm look...


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post #43 of 203
1/27/12 at 11:15am
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I can't say I noticed anything egregious about the PQ of either show.
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post #44 of 203
1/27/12 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

Why are they waiting until March 19 to start the rest of the season?

Because Fox only schedules two hours of primetime most nights, and in the spring a significant percentage of that time is sucked up by the black hole known as American Idol. Touch will start once Alcatraz wraps its 13 episodes, and run through the end of the season in May.
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post #45 of 203
1/27/12 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by R11 View Post

Not unusual for different people with different providers in different areas of the country to experience variations in PQ. Both shows being on the same channel would seem to rule out network distribution factors though and even local subchannel differences. When I watched this week's ep of Alcatraz I paid extra attention to the PQ and the only muted colors and murky blacks I saw were during the "flashback" sequences which of course are purposely desaturated to near monotone for effect. Otherwise the color/contrast levels looked fine. Not ridiculously over boosted like some shows these days, but quite natural. And I didn't think the levels on Touch were bad either, but it was soft and grainy looking throughout like a 16mm look...


ron

I have found that Fox has the greatest variation in broadcasts compared to other networks. Take American Idol for example, the PQ on that show is absolutely stunning in most shots, with warm and vibrant colors, deep blacks, strong contrast, accurate flesh tones, and exemplary details (especially facial details revealing every pore, mole, wrinkle, etc.) Then you have broadcasts such as Touch and Alcatraz which are much more *inconsistent* (and I'm not just referring to stylistic choices like the flashback scenes in Alcatraz).

I did watch Touch again last night and the PQ wasn't as stellar as I had remembered the first time I viewed it, but it still had more appreciable depth and better details (again, especially in facial textures) than what is found in Alcatraz. I should point out that I watch a considerable amount of Blu-rays and I'm a regular contributor on the Blu-ray PQ Thread (where I give reviews), so I am inclined to be more critical than the average viewer.
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post #46 of 203
1/27/12 at 4:24pm
Missed knowing about this one

Saw Alcatraz this PM which I had on the dvr & there was a trailer for Touch. Maybe I can catch up with ep 2. Like to try this one out, a new show for Jack err....I mean Kiefer
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post #47 of 203
1/27/12 at 4:28pm
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Missed knowing about this one

Saw Alcatraz this PM which I had on the dvr & there was a trailer for Touch. Maybe I can catch up with ep 2. Like to try this one out, a new show for Jack err....I mean Kiefer

You haven't really missed it. This week was a preview. It doesn't actually start until March so if this episode doesn't air again in it's new time slot it's guaranteed to be rerun before the season actually starts.
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post #48 of 203
1/28/12 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

You haven't really missed it. This week was a preview. It doesn't actually start until March so if this episode doesn't air again in it's new time slot it's guaranteed to be rerun before the season actually starts.

Also Amazon has it for free HD download, just watched it off the TIVO yesterday.
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post #49 of 203
1/28/12 at 12:55pm
Darn, I should have checked Amazon as OnDemand doesn't of course have it and I've been so dismayed with broadcast TV I wasn't paying any attention. So I wound up watching it on my computer on Fox's website with commercials. Did the Amazon version have commercials?
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post #50 of 203
1/29/12 at 2:22pm
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Darn, I should have checked Amazon as OnDemand doesn't of course have it and I've been so dismayed with broadcast TV I wasn't paying any attention. So I wound up watching it on my computer on Fox's website with commercials. Did the Amazon version have commercials?

No commercials at all.
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post #51 of 203
1/30/12 at 10:21am
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I don't know about this one.... It was stuffed plum full of plot holes big enough to drive a truck through and all the coincidences didn't really tie together in any kind of manner remotely realistic, IMO. My wife, a former social worker, kept rolling her eyes at the ridiculous amount of time and attention a fairly well-off white kid would get from an urban special-needs system that didn't look remotely stressed (are there any?). I kept wondering where I could get an inexhaustible power supply like that for my cell phone. I wondered how working a 50 hr/wk rat-ramp job would provide him more time with his son than his former newspaper writing gig. And so on...

And then there were the unmistakable Kring touches where I was reminded too much of 'Heroes', a show that wore it's sci-fi/fantasy label clearly on its sleeve. This show is supposed to be set in the "real world", but there is no savant alive with a superpower like this.

I'll stick with it for awhile, mainly because my wife liked the sappy schmaltz aspect to it and I've got a lot of residual affection for Keifer Bauer. But if they don't make the plotlines a little easier to both follow and swallow, I may not hang in there for long. Too much other, better stuff out there - I'm waiting on 'The River', especially.

Found it good, not great - but intrigued enough to come back & see what happens in March.

My wife, being the director of our county's Child Welfare Dept, also took issue with the social worker plot point. The initial conversation she had w/ Sutherland....virtually everything she said to him is NOT something a social worker would say to a parent at that point in that situation. The kid would also have to be proving to be a physical threat to others, not just scaling a cell tower 3 days in a row.

But this is a TV show from the guy that gave us HEROES...so I guess I should cut it some slack.
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post #52 of 203
1/30/12 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by kaydigi View Post

No commercials at all.

So was it 51 minutes or 44 minutes?
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post #53 of 203
1/30/12 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

You haven't really missed it. This week was a preview. It doesn't actually start until March so if this episode doesn't air again in it's new time slot it's guaranteed to be rerun before the season actually starts.

The series begins in its regular time slot on Monday, March 19th. Considering the importance of 318 in the plot, I would hope that Fox would reair the pilot episode on Sunday, March 18th.
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post #54 of 203
1/30/12 at 2:00pm
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So was it 51 minutes or 44 minutes?

Watched it via the DVR - had a lot of commercial padding in that hour+ time slot. FOX has gotta pay bills like everyone else & this was likely a prime candidate for extra ads, being sorta high profile (Sutherland returning to FOX primetime, that is).

Did snicker a bit when early on, after smashing his thumb in a drawer, Sutherland uttered a classic Jack Bauer "Damn it!"
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post #55 of 203
1/30/12 at 2:02pm
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The series begins in its regular time slot on Monday, March 19th. Considering the importance of 318 in the plot, I would hope that Fox would reair the pilot episode on Sunday, March 18th.

Well, it is possible the Napolean Dynamite cartoon could be axed by then, so that could free up some Sunday night space for a timely repeat. You may be onto something.
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post #56 of 203
1/30/12 at 2:21pm
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Did snicker a bit when early on, after smashing his thumb in a drawer, Sutherland uttered a classic Jack Bauer "Damn it!"

Lol. That was great.
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post #57 of 203
1/30/12 at 2:26pm
I found it so-so. Reality wise it certainly wasn't there and even the premise didn't flow. However, it's early and if they add some depth (over time) it should stay in my DVR.
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post #58 of 203
1/30/12 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

So was it 51 minutes or 44 minutes?

51 minutes.
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post #59 of 203
1/30/12 at 5:20pm
We enjoyed the show and found Kiefer to be Baueresque. Expect this trend: "We're running out of time!". "We need to connect the dots, dammit!" What does it all mean?!!!"
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post #60 of 203
1/30/12 at 8:41pm
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Did snicker a bit when early on, after smashing his thumb in a drawer, Sutherland uttered a classic Jack Bauer "Damn it!"

Me too, I was like, Oh, he said it!! But when he got punched in the gut by that guy and just keeled over I was like, "Jack, go kick his ass!!"
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