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post #1141 of 1228
10/5/12 at 4:31pm
Well, based on the comparison between the DE DVD and the US Blu-Ray, someone definitely added orange to the tint of Raiders

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=1273#auswahl

There is nowhere near this kind of difference between the DVD vs. the Blu-Ray when it comes to Temple and Crusade.
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post #1142 of 1228
10/5/12 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

Well, based on the comparison between the DE DVD and the US Blu-Ray, someone definitely added orange to the tint of Raiders.

And it looks much better now for it.
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post #1143 of 1228
10/5/12 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Meteor|WAR View Post

And it looks much better now for it.

I guess if you like brightness boosted so you can't see blue skies against white clouds, as well as the aforementioned shift to orange, which further unblues the sky.

On the other hand, the problem may be with my TV, as on my computer monitor set at 6500K, the colors look pretty good, though the overblown brightness still turns the sky too white in many instances - see, e.g., the scene near the end when the cars are going past the Washington Monument.

I recalibrated my TV, and that seems to have helped somewhat - still not as good as my computer monitor, though.
Edited by eweiss - 10/6/12 at 3:50pm
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post #1144 of 1228
10/5/12 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

Well, based on the comparison between the DE DVD and the US Blu-Ray, someone definitely added orange to the tint of Raiders
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=1273#auswahl
There is nowhere near this kind of difference between the DVD vs. the Blu-Ray when it comes to Temple and Crusade.
How much of a difference should there be? There's absolutely nothing wrong with the detail.
The other two films are digitally sharpened. This one isn't. I consider that a good thing.
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post #1145 of 1228
10/7/12 at 12:46am
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

I guess if you like brightness boosted so you can't see blue skies against white clouds, as well as the aforementioned shift to orange, which further unblues the sky.
On the other hand, the problem may be with my TV, as on my computer monitor set at 6500K, the colors look pretty good, though the overblown brightness still turns the sky too white in many instances - see, e.g., the scene near the end when the cars are going past the Washington Monument.
I recalibrated my TV, and that seems to have helped somewhat - still not as good as my computer monitor, though.

The brightness push does level out the contrast in comparison to the 2003 transfer, though. The highlights in some of the DVD shots are totally blown out - look at capsaholic grab #7 with Sallah and his kids - and the old image has a more contrasty look in general. That "flattening" of contrast on new transfers seems to be all the rage these days, I've lost count of the amount of new Blu-rays which look like this in comparison to their older counterparts.

People complain about certain details being lost, which is fair enough because the evidence is there for us to see, but how do we know that those older transfers didn't have their contrast boosted to provide more "pop"? Besides, Spielberg has spoken about how they've pulled more detail out of the shadows in the new edition, especially in the opening sequence, so the brightness increase we can take as having been director approved, for better or worse!

Still, having now seen Raiders on Blu I can't help but be a little disappointed with the colour. The IMAX version I saw was the new transfer, natch, with the yellow timing, but the blues looked far less tealy than they do on the BD. The Nazi flags are obviously orange tinted on the Blu-ray, and while they didn't exactly look blood red in IMAX they looked better than this.
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post #1146 of 1228
10/7/12 at 11:46pm
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...the scene near the end when the cars are going past the Washington Monument.

That particular shot is a dupe, as it was literally lifted from the film, "The Hindenburg". So unless they went to Universal and asked for that one shot off of their OCN, it's always going to look a little out of place and should not be used to gauge the full quality of this release.
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post #1147 of 1228
10/8/12 at 4:13pm
FYI-
Block buster is carrying this in store for rental.
Since it's a catalog release, the rental cost is only $.99 per disc.
$3 plus tax to rent the original trilogy.
YMMV
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post #1148 of 1228
10/8/12 at 8:28pm
Lowry performs movie magic: https://rapidshare.com/files/1918071...omparison).avi

Incredible!
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post #1149 of 1228
10/8/12 at 11:52pm
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The brightness push does level out the contrast in comparison to the 2003 transfer, though. The highlights in some of the DVD shots are totally blown out - look at capsaholic grab #7 with Sallah and his kids - and the old image has a more contrasty look in general. That "flattening" of contrast on new transfers seems to be all the rage these days, I've lost count of the amount of new Blu-rays which look like this in comparison to their older counterparts.
People complain about certain details being lost, which is fair enough because the evidence is there for us to see, but how do we know that those older transfers didn't have their contrast boosted to provide more "pop"? Besides, Spielberg has spoken about how they've pulled more detail out of the shadows in the new edition, especially in the opening sequence, so the brightness increase we can take as having been director approved, for better or worse!
Still, having now seen Raiders on Blu I can't help but be a little disappointed with the colour. The IMAX version I saw was the new transfer, natch, with the yellow timing, but the blues looked far less tealy than they do on the BD. The Nazi flags are obviously orange tinted on the Blu-ray, and while they didn't exactly look blood red in IMAX they looked better than this.

Then perhaps it's your monitor that's the problem? Because the flags look just like you describe the IMAX viewing on my Blu-ray.
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post #1150 of 1228
10/10/12 at 9:37am
One minor difference I noted in the stand alone previously released Crystal Skulls and the one included in the set is the THX logo. The stand alone has the sonic mushroom logo with its very impressive sound, while the one in the set has the standard THX logo and sound.
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post #1151 of 1228
10/10/12 at 12:32pm
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Then perhaps it's your monitor that's the problem? Because the flags look just like you describe the IMAX viewing on my Blu-ray.

A logical assumption, but all I can say is that I've tweaked and tweaked and tweaked it using DVE and AVS709 to get it as accurate as I can without going pro. If my display had that bad a bias in the colour then surely everything else I watch would suffer the same problem? Heck, the Nazi flags in Last Crusade look properly red.
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post #1152 of 1228
10/10/12 at 7:41pm
Finally got back home to Los Angeles after an eight-week gig in the Seattle area and got my hands on this set o' discs. I haven't had a chance to watch any of 'em yet... but wow does that packaging suck. I had remembered some earlier comments about how the packaging was scratching some discs, so I did a test run on TEMPLE OF DOOM before attempting to extract RAIDERS (which is my all time favorite flick). Lucky I did the test... DOOM got all scratched up. I've never even SEEN a scratched blu-ray (since I don't rent much and I keep mine in mint condition--no kids and no lending). I wish I'd done my test run on CRYSTAL SKULL, but it's too late for that. I ended up tearing apart the cardboard packaging in order to get the rest of the discs out (including my precious RAIDERS) and they all came out scratch-free.

I'll probably only watch TEMPLE OF DOOM once or twice for the rest of my life... but I'm pissed that it got all scratched just by removing it from the package. Since I have no experience with scratched blu-rays, I have no idea how this will manifest in playback.

Worst. Packaging. Ever.
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post #1153 of 1228
10/10/12 at 7:52pm
Studios are always trying to make their big releases look "special" by putting them in some crappy cardboard foldout. It's an insanely stupid practice that needs to stop. It looks non-uniform on the shelf, it's less durable, it's harder to get the discs out, and now it's even scratching them. Enough already.
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post #1154 of 1228
10/10/12 at 8:19pm
Mine haven't scratched, and I've removed and inserted them several times, including when I first got the used set at the used book/CD store. Yes, it was used, and there wasn't a scratch on any of them from the previous owner.

Fingerprints, yes (and annoying); scratches, no.

Maybe you got a bad batch of cardboard.
Edited by eweiss - 10/11/12 at 5:24am
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post #1155 of 1228
10/10/12 at 10:49pm
I really don't understand how people are making this so difficult - no one I know has had any trouble getting these disc out and in - unless you're making it difficult. You look, you see how it works, and it works.
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post #1156 of 1228
10/11/12 at 7:38am
At least the packaging for Indy Jones is shaped in roughly the same depth/height dimensions as a regular Blu-ray... Where the heck am I supposed to put that James Bond set on my shelf? eek.gif
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post #1157 of 1228
10/11/12 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

At least the packaging for Indy Jones is shaped in roughly the same depth/height dimensions as a regular Blu-ray... Where the heck am I supposed to put that James Bond set on my shelf? eek.gif
It's Bond - it's supposed to have it's own shelf... wink.gif
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post #1158 of 1228
10/11/12 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by steel_breeze View Post

Finally got back home to Los Angeles after an eight-week gig in the Seattle area and got my hands on this set o' discs. I haven't had a chance to watch any of 'em yet... but wow does that packaging suck. I had remembered some earlier comments about how the packaging was scratching some discs, so I did a test run on TEMPLE OF DOOM before attempting to extract RAIDERS (which is my all time favorite flick). Lucky I did the test... DOOM got all scratched up. I've never even SEEN a scratched blu-ray (since I don't rent much and I keep mine in mint condition--no kids and no lending). I wish I'd done my test run on CRYSTAL SKULL, but it's too late for that. I ended up tearing apart the cardboard packaging in order to get the rest of the discs out (including my precious RAIDERS) and they all came out scratch-free.
I'll probably only watch TEMPLE OF DOOM once or twice for the rest of my life... but I'm pissed that it got all scratched just by removing it from the package. Since I have no experience with scratched blu-rays, I have no idea how this will manifest in playback.
Worst. Packaging. Ever.

Your DOOM disc did not get scratched by removing it from the cardboard... it was likely scuffed or scratched before it ever went in. Mine were covered in fingerprints and scuffs -- all of which were removed with a freshly cleaned microfiber cloth. Tearing up the packaging to remove the discs is a little extreme, I have to say. All you really had to do was flip past the movie you want to remove so that the page/disc is resting on your palm... then slide the disc out, label down, with a finger pressed against the small part of the disc that's showing through on the opposite side. They might require a little pressure to dislodge them, but nothing that will harm the disc.
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post #1159 of 1228
10/11/12 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett View Post

Your DOOM disc did not get scratched by removing it from the cardboard... it was likely scuffed or scratched before it ever went in. Mine were covered in fingerprints and scuffs -- all of which were removed with a freshly cleaned microfiber cloth. Tearing up the packaging to remove the discs is a little extreme, I have to say.

Don't know if I believe that my DOOM disc was scratched before it went into the packaging. Seems too coincidental that it was the only one I took out in a "normal" fashion, and was the only one with any visible scratches. (And I could NOT remove the scratches with my microfiber cloth, either... they're permanent. ) As for tearing up the package, I went "extreme" 'cuz I knew that RAIDERS is the only title I want in my "main collection". I simply extracted that disc and put it into the old DVD case for safe keeping. The rest of the Indy flicks, I'm keeping in what I call my "second tier" collection, kind of hidden away from the main bookshelf, so I don't particularly care about the condition of the packaging; just glad to have RAIDERS scratch-free... but still miffed that the packaging was so bad to begin with I'm thankful for these forums; never would have known that scratches were even a possibility!
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post #1160 of 1228
10/11/12 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by steel_breeze View Post

Don't know if I believe that my DOOM disc was scratched before it went into the packaging. Seems too coincidental that it was the only one I took out in a "normal" fashion, and was the only one with any visible scratches. (And I could NOT remove the scratches with my microfiber cloth, either... they're permanent. )

There likely wouldn't be anything in there that would cause a significant scratch. What did you find in the DOOM slot when you tore the packaging apart? The smooth, glossy, black cardboard backing wouldn't -- in and of itself -- cause a scratch. There needs to be some kind of abrasive substance between the disc and the backing. Or the person putting it in at the factory needlessly scraped it along the edge of the cardboard facing.

How did the fingerprints get on my discs? From a careless person handling them as they went in, of course!

You must understand that your particular case is too small of a sample to say there's a correlation between pulling the discs out and finding scratches. You would really have to open up a hundred sets the way you opened yours (pick one disc at random to be taken out, the others removed via tearing at the cardboard) and then plot the results. And even then -- as the saying goes -- correlation doesn't imply causation.

Here's my equally inconclusive personal experience: I've taken them out and put them back many times since getting the collection last month. They are still fine. (Out of sheer laziness, I haven't gotten a multi-disc blu-ray case yet to house the discs in.) I believe one of my discs had a tiny hairline scratch upon initial inspection that could not be buffed away, and I took all the discs out in the way I described above -- the other four were fine after wiping them clean. But I had to wipe 50 times or more on a scuff to make it go away. If you see hairline scratches, they're likely permanent -- though fortunately, unlikely to affect playback. smile.gif
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post #1161 of 1228
10/11/12 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett View Post

There likely wouldn't be anything in there that would cause a significant scratch. What did you find in the DOOM slot when you tore the packaging apart? The smooth, glossy, black cardboard backing wouldn't -- in and of itself -- cause a scratch. There needs to be some kind of abrasive substance between the disc and the backing. Or the person putting it in at the factory needlessly scraped it along the edge of the cardboard facing.
How did the fingerprints get on my discs? From a careless person handling them as they went in, of course!
You must understand that your particular case is too small of a sample to say there's a correlation between pulling the discs out and finding scratches. You would really have to open up a hundred sets the way you opened yours (pick one disc at random to be taken out, the others removed via tearing at the cardboard) and then plot the results. And even then -- as the saying goes -- correlation doesn't imply causation.
Here's my equally inconclusive personal experience: I've taken them out and put them back many times since getting the collection last month. They are still fine. (Out of sheer laziness, I haven't gotten a multi-disc blu-ray case yet to house the discs in.) I believe one of my discs had a tiny hairline scratch upon initial inspection that could not be buffed away, and I took all the discs out in the way I described above -- the other four were fine after wiping them clean. But I had to wipe 50 times or more on a scuff to make it go away. If you see hairline scratches, they're likely permanent -- though fortunately, unlikely to affect playback. smile.gif

FWIW, when it comes to polishing/buffing video discs, this stuff is really good: http://www.guitarscratchremover.com/ And it doesn't even leave visible scratches like some scratch removers; I used it on my eyeglasses to diminish some scratches. A customer's posted before-and-after photos: http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/luthiers-corner/122670-positive-review-guitar-scratch-remover.html

I have NOT tried it on Blu-ray discs, though, just DVDs.

It is silicone-free - which is important for guitars; not sure if that matters for discs, though. (Microfine auto polishes like Meguiar's have silicone, which makes them NOT recommended for use on guitars, because the silicone will find its way into the wood and won't come out, and if you ever have to refinish the guitar, the now-embedded silicone will make that extremely difficult to do.)
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post #1162 of 1228
10/11/12 at 9:46pm
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FWIW, when it comes to polishing/buffing video discs, this stuff is really good: http://www.guitarscratchremover.com/ And it doesn't even leave visible scratches like some scratch removers; I used it on my eyeglasses to diminish some scratches. A customer's posted before-and-after photos: http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/luthiers-corner/122670-positive-review-guitar-scratch-remover.html
I have NOT tried it on Blu-ray discs, though, just DVDs.

Never buff or polish a Bluray: they have a hardcoat, which is supposed to minimise scratches, because the data layer is only just below the surface of the plastic (unlike DVDs, which have about 1mm of plastic to protect the data layer and can be buffed quite severely without issue). Bluray discs should only be cleaned with warm water and mild detergent, rinsed thoroughly and dried with a soft cloth (or preferably rinsed with distilled water and air-dried).

It is possible the studios are skimping on the hardcoat, because in theory they should not scratch when removing from cardboard.

Some hardcoats may be capable of being "re-flowed" to fill in scratches by heating the surface with a hairdyer or heat gun, but YMMV: I only tried this with a badly imprinted BD-RE, but it was successful.
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post #1163 of 1228
10/12/12 at 4:33am
Euro Digipak FTW
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post #1164 of 1228
10/12/12 at 6:51am
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Euro Digipak FTW

UK nanny-state cuts on bonus features disc FTL.
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post #1165 of 1228
10/12/12 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by svenge View Post

UK nanny-state cuts on bonus features disc FTL.

eek.gif Good to know, as I was considering dumping the US release for a UK Digipak. mad.gif
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post #1166 of 1228
10/12/12 at 9:01am
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UK nanny-state cuts on bonus features disc FTL.

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This work was cut. The cut(s) were Compulsory. To obtain this category cuts of 0m 13s were required.

Cut required to remove sight of dangerous horse falls, in accordance with BBFC Guidelines and policy, on grounds of animal cruelty.


But they can show you the heart scene in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom....ok...
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post #1167 of 1228
10/12/12 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by steel_breeze View Post

Finally got back home to Los Angeles after an eight-week gig in the Seattle area and got my hands on this set o' discs. I haven't had a chance to watch any of 'em yet... but wow does that packaging suck. I had remembered some earlier comments about how the packaging was scratching some discs, so I did a test run on TEMPLE OF DOOM before attempting to extract RAIDERS (which is my all time favorite flick). Lucky I did the test... DOOM got all scratched up. I've never even SEEN a scratched blu-ray (since I don't rent much and I keep mine in mint condition--no kids and no lending). I wish I'd done my test run on CRYSTAL SKULL, but it's too late for that. I ended up tearing apart the cardboard packaging in order to get the rest of the discs out (including my precious RAIDERS) and they all came out scratch-free.
I'll probably only watch TEMPLE OF DOOM once or twice for the rest of my life... but I'm pissed that it got all scratched just by removing it from the package. Since I have no experience with scratched blu-rays, I have no idea how this will manifest in playback.
Worst. Packaging. Ever.
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Originally Posted by FitzRoy View Post

Studios are always trying to make their big releases look "special" by putting them in some crappy cardboard foldout. It's an insanely stupid practice that needs to stop. It looks non-uniform on the shelf, it's less durable, it's harder to get the discs out, and now it's even scratching them. Enough already.

Studios keep using this because majority of people like it. It looks pretty and people insist that BDs won't get scratched because they have a scratch-protective coating. While they do have that coating, BDs still get scratched if they're not treated with care. I tried to explain that before, but everyone keeps saying I'm wrong.
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post #1168 of 1228
10/12/12 at 2:12pm
Wrong? I could show you Blu-Ray disks from a company called Lovefilm in the UK owned by Amazon and around 80% of them are scratched by the time I get them.!
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post #1169 of 1228
10/12/12 at 4:59pm
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UK nanny-state cuts on bonus features disc FTL.

Good thing I bought the Italian version then.
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post #1170 of 1228
10/12/12 at 5:10pm
Word.
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