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post #391 of 1202
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Like universal did with jurassic park trilogy.

Even worse, Universal said it was restored for "perfect picture". eek.gif
post #392 of 1202
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Originally Posted by LordAwesome View Post

Even worse, Universal said it was restored for "perfect picture". eek.gif

It's no secret that Universal's idea of restoring is dubious at best.
post #393 of 1202
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

It's no secret that Universal's idea of restoring is dubious at best.
Indubitably!
post #394 of 1202
So according to the SDCC trailer, only Raiders is getting a full restoration? Then what...? Temple and Crusade get old scans with digital enhancements? It seems odd that they would single out Raiders when talking about the box set.

I passed on Star Wars, I'll pass on this until I get some concrete answers. I don't suppose there's a timeline for getting individual releases? I only want Raiders and Crusade anyway.
post #395 of 1202
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

So according to the SDCC trailer, only Raiders is getting a full restoration? Then what...? Temple and Crusade get old scans with digital enhancements? It seems odd that they would single out Raiders when talking about the box set.
I passed on Star Wars, I'll pass on this until I get some concrete answers. I don't suppose there's a timeline for getting individual releases? I only want Raiders and Crusade anyway.

The LP scans are neither old nor bad nor enhanced
post #396 of 1202
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Disc 1 - RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK is presented in 1080p high definition with English 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio, French 5.1Dolby Digital, Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish 2.0 Dolby Digital, Portuguese 5.1 Dolby Digital, Portuguese 2.0 Dolby Digital and English, English SDH, French, Spanish and Portuguese subtitles. The disc includes the following:
- Teaser Trailer (HD)
- Theatrical Trailer (HD)
- Re-Issue Trailer (HD)

Disc 2 - INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM
INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM is presented in 1080p high definition with English 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio, French 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish 2.0 Dolby Digital, Portuguese 5.1 Dolby Digital, Portuguese 2.0 Dolby Digital and English, English SDH, French, Spanish and Portuguese subtitles. The disc includes the following:
- Teaser Trailer (HD)
- Theatrical Trailer (HD)

Disc 3 - INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE
INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE is presented in 1080p high definition with English 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio, French 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish 2.0 Dolby Digital, Portuguese 5.1 Dolby Digital, Portuguese 2.0 Dolby Digital and English, English SDH, French, Spanish and Portuguese subtitles. The disc includes the following:
- Teaser Trailer (HD)
- Theatrical Trailer (HD)

Disc 4 - INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL
INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL is presented in 1080p high definition with English 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio, French 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital, Portuguese 5.1 Dolby Digital and English Audio Description and English, English SDH, French, Spanish and Portuguese subtitles. The disc includes the following:
- Theatrical Trailer #2 (HD)
- Theatrical Trailer #3 (HD)
- Theatrical Trailer #4 (HD)

Disc 5 - Bonus Features
Bonus features are presented in standard and high definition (as indicated below) in English with English, French, Spanish and Portuguese subtitles.

NEW – On Set with RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
- From Jungle to Desert
- From Adventure to Legend

Making the Films
- The Making of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (1981 documentary previously unavailable on DVD)
- The Making of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
- The Making of INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM
- The Making of INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE
- The Making of INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (HD)



Behind the Scenes
- The Stunts of Indiana Jones
- The Sound of Indiana Jones
- The Music of Indiana Jones
- The Light and Magic of Indiana Jones
- Raiders: The Melting Face!
- Indiana Jones and the Creepy Crawlies (with optional pop-ups)
- Travel with Indiana Jones: Locations (with optional pop-ups)
- Indy’s Women: The American Film Institute Tribute
- Indy’s Friends and Enemies
- Iconic Props (CRYSTAL SKULL) (HD)
- The Effects of Indy (CRYSTAL SKULLl) (HD)
- Adventures in Post Production (CRYSTAL SKULL) (HD)
post #397 of 1202
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

I think it's time to stop picking on the Jurassic Park trilogy Blu-Ray set. We all know that people who constantly bash it, can't afford it. And it's their way of justifying the no purchase. Obviously Jurassic Park was not restored, but for a catalog title, it was an EXCELLENT release.

Nope it is a very average release, and wrong thread?
post #398 of 1202
Old like the transfers?
post #399 of 1202
ba-doom-tish!

Well, I can afford the JP trilogy, it cost all of £15 English pounds. And it still looks mediocre.
post #400 of 1202
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

ba-doom-tish!
Well, I can afford the JP trilogy, it cost all of £15 English pounds. And it still looks mediocre.

I got it cheap also, still avoided BTTF tho, and Star Wars
post #401 of 1202
Er, no. The OT has brittle audio and Lowry's unfortunate frozen grain artefact pervades the picture. Phantom Menace has clearly had some DNR applied. Clones is quite soft, as shot, with only Sith really excelling in terms of PQ.
post #402 of 1202
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

Er, no. The OT has brittle audio and Lowry's unfortunate frozen grain artefact pervades the picture. Phantom Menace has clearly had some DNR applied. Clones is quite soft, as shot, with only Sith really excelling in terms of PQ.
lol, you beat me to it. smile.gif

Can't fault the audio in TPM and AOTC though - outstanding Gary Rydstrom-infused, reference-quality mixes. You can really feel his absence come ROTS - feels like a very lacklustre sound mix that just doesn't have the punch of the first two films.

So are Paramount likely to screw around with DNR on these or can we safely say Indy is going to be pristine quality on Blu?
post #403 of 1202
I like the mix for Sith, it's a bit more restrained and OT-like. And even Clones isn't as boomy as the DVD.

Anyhoo, I think Paramount will do right by Indy. Raiders should look stunning, and even though Temple and Last Crusade haven't been given the same 4K treatment they'll be fine. Crystal Skull should look no different from the 2K DI derivation we got before.
post #404 of 1202
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

lol, you beat me to it. smile.gif
Can't fault the audio in TPM and AOTC though - outstanding Gary Rydstrom-infused, reference-quality mixes. You can really feel his absence come ROTS - feels like a very lacklustre sound mix that just doesn't have the punch of the first two films.
So are Paramount likely to screw around with DNR on these or can we safely say Indy is going to be pristine quality on Blu?

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Gary did Sith and Ben Burtt did the first two, no?

The mixes are atrocious, all three. Burtt put his sound effects light years louder than the John Williams score.
post #405 of 1202
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

You're missing out on Star Wars. Yes, the additions were idiotic and I hate them with a passion. But the discs look excellent! Plus they're such incredibly amazing movies that no amount of tinkering will take away from their impact.
They are probably my most watched Blu-Rays. I use them as reference material for demonstrations, even though I have plenty of higher quality (technically) titles. There's just something severely addicting on what Georgie has done.
You should get the discs, You'll hate them, but at the same time you won't be able to stop watching.
P.S. The sound in each movie on the Blu-Rays is a true reference 10/10.

I don't care about additions I hate the PQ it was just garbage. Plus I have Harmy's versions if I want to watch Star Wars.


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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

Er, no. The OT has brittle audio and Lowry's unfortunate frozen grain artefact pervades the picture. Phantom Menace has clearly had some DNR applied. Clones is quite soft, as shot, with only Sith really excelling in terms of PQ.

Yep, what he said

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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

lol, you beat me to it. smile.gif
Can't fault the audio in TPM and AOTC though - outstanding Gary Rydstrom-infused, reference-quality mixes. You can really feel his absence come ROTS - feels like a very lacklustre sound mix that just doesn't have the punch of the first two films.
So are Paramount likely to screw around with DNR on these or can we safely say Indy is going to be pristine quality on Blu?

I am not a fan of his work for home releases, so it was another mark against Star Wars
post #406 of 1202
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Gary did Sith and Ben Burtt did the first two, no?
The mixes are atrocious, all three. Burtt put his sound effects light years louder than the John Williams score.
Burtt was the sound designer, meaning he oversaw production of the sound effects etc. that were used in the film - Rydstrom was responsible for producing the final mix, meaning volume/sound stage balancing and such. Rydstrom's sound mixes have a very punchy sound to them - watch other films he's been involved in mixing like Terminator 2 and Atlantis: The Lost Empire and you'll hear what I mean. He loves bombastic volume levels during action sequences. He wasn't involved in Episode 3's mixing, and I found that film's soundtrack to be distinctly lacking in punch compared to the previous two films. It was a good sound mix, just not the kind of show-off demo I'd use to wow friends with a sound system. smile.gif
post #407 of 1202
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

I am not a fan of his work for home releases, so it was another mark against Star Wars
That's definitely a matter for personal taste - I can absolutely see why Rydstrom's effects-heavy volume balance wouldn't appeal to some. It is markedly different from the sound staging in the OT which Ep3 was much closer to. I just happen to love thumping big explosions. smile.gif
post #408 of 1202
It's more his near field home mixes ruin the theatrical mixes he did wonders with in most cases.
post #409 of 1202
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

It's more his near field home mixes ruin the theatrical mixes he did wonders with in most cases.
Again, I find I prefer that in a home mix - maybe it's because my living isn't very big so I don't have the luxury of huge speakers and therefore need the soundtrack to make up the shortfall. I guess the near field approach would be more irritating if you've got a beefier home cinema and are already much closer to the real deal. :-)

However, you really can go too far... There are some home mixes that need to be burned for ever being allowed out - The Lion King springs to mind.
post #410 of 1202
Looks like the discs are going to be in cardboard pockets according to the picture at The Digital Bits. Ugh.
post #411 of 1202
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Originally Posted by mbrennem View Post

Looks like the discs are going to be in cardboard pockets according to the picture at The Digital Bits. Ugh.
I'm alright with the Complete Star Wars/Alien Anthology sets because the cardboard pages are open on the disc so you can grab the center. I hate the ones that are like envelopes.

Image link: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91KB81ofcWL._AA1500_.jpg
post #412 of 1202
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

Again, I find I prefer that in a home mix - maybe it's because my living isn't very big so I don't have the luxury of huge speakers and therefore need the soundtrack to make up the shortfall. I guess the near field approach would be more irritating if you've got a beefier home cinema and are already much closer to the real deal. :-)
However, you really can go too far... There are some home mixes that need to be burned for ever being allowed out - The Lion King springs to mind.


I said he ruins them, that was my point of view and you said you like that? I don't get it, I did not say why I didn't like them either.
post #413 of 1202
Very limp extra package - barely anything new if you already had the DVDs (who didn't?). They can't tell me there wasn't STACKS of unused material in the Lucasfilm vaults on these films. There are famous deleted scenes from RAIDERS - still not released.

Cheap packaging.

Overall looking to be a disappointing release.

I watched the films twice since buying the DVDs on release day. I think I'll just rent Raiders to see the new transfer this time.
post #414 of 1202
Not at £43 it won't.
post #415 of 1202
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Originally Posted by LordAwesome View Post

Not at £43 it won't.

Bingo. Once again we are asked to pay a premium for an Indy release that STILL doesn't feature any deleted scenes and leaves out a sizeable chunk of DVD extras. I can wait 'til it hits £30 quid.
post #416 of 1202
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

Burtt was the sound designer, meaning he oversaw production of the sound effects etc. that were used in the film - Rydstrom was responsible for producing the final mix, meaning volume/sound stage balancing and such. Rydstrom's sound mixes have a very punchy sound to them - watch other films he's been involved in mixing like Terminator 2 and Atlantis: The Lost Empire and you'll hear what I mean. He loves bombastic volume levels during action sequences. He wasn't involved in Episode 3's mixing, and I found that film's soundtrack to be distinctly lacking in punch compared to the previous two films. It was a good sound mix, just not the kind of show-off demo I'd use to wow friends with a sound system. smile.gif

*raises hand*

Still confused.

Gary is only listed as the "sound re-recording mixer." How does that equate with producing the final mix? I was always told that Burtt was responsible for that.

If I'm wrong, then I'm pissed. I've been blaming Burtt for how atrocious the mixes are in the prequels. All he wanted was his damn sound effects front and center and killed the score. I remember the scene from the documentary that showed Burtt fighting with Williams' people. Too bad they didn't beat the crap out of him.
post #417 of 1202
zomg, they did not just use a custom cardboard case in an attempt to be special. We've obviously learned nothing from the DVD era. Groan. GROAN.
post #418 of 1202
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

*raises hand*
Still confused.
Gary is only listed as the "sound re-recording mixer." How does that equate with producing the final mix? I was always told that Burtt was responsible for that.
If I'm wrong, then I'm pissed. I've been blaming Burtt for how atrocious the mixes are in the prequels. All he wanted was his damn sound effects front and center and killed the score. I remember the scene from the documentary that showed Burtt fighting with Williams' people. Too bad they didn't beat the crap out of him.
Maybe he is involved in the final mix; I only know bits and pieces I've read over the years - but my understanding is that Burtt designs the overall sound of the film, and then the likes of Rydstrom are responsible for producing the final balanced mix (hence 're-recording mixer' - i.e. assembling the final audio product). Burtt's expertise was always in creating sound - all those interviews I've seen him give are about how they create the sounds of TIE Fighters, X-Wings, all the various things in the films. There's a stark difference between someone who creates sound for a movie and someone who assembles and volume-levels everything. Burtt is the former, Rydstrom the latter. Rydstrom has even won awards over the years for his techniques in sound mixing (for Terminator 2 for example).

So if you hate the effects-heaviness of the prequels, it's likely your beef is with Rydstrom (for the first two movies, anyway - it was someone else for Ep3).
post #419 of 1202
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

Maybe he is involved in the final mix; I only know bits and pieces I've read over the years - but my understanding is that Burtt designs the overall sound of the film, and then the likes of Rydstrom are responsible for producing the final balanced mix (hence 're-recording mixer' - i.e. assembling the final audio product). Burtt's expertise was always in creating sound - all those interviews I've seen him give are about how they create the sounds of TIE Fighters, X-Wings, all the various things in the films. There's a stark difference between someone who creates sound for a movie and someone who assembles and volume-levels everything. Burtt is the former, Rydstrom the latter. Rydstrom has even won awards over the years for his techniques in sound mixing (for Terminator 2 for example).
So if you hate the effects-heaviness of the prequels, it's likely your beef is with Rydstrom (for the first two movies, anyway - it was someone else for Ep3).

Actually, I know about the history of Burtt with the movies and designing the sound but I thought he was moved up for the prequels to the actual mixer for all the films. That's always been my understanding.

http://whatculture.com/film/indy-iv-cd-review-or-how-john-williams-got-screwed-by-ben-burtt.php
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Burtt instead of being a collaborator as in the original trilogy is largely solely responsible for the final mixes.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/What-was-the-fatal-flaw-of-the-Prequels-if-you-think-they-sucked-aka-Lets-take-a-break-from-hating-on-the-blu-rays/post/541897/#TopicPost541897

Also...
http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12650&st=2160&p=567450entry567450
Edited by DigitalfreakNYC - 8/9/12 at 4:24am
post #420 of 1202
I am petty sure Rydstrom did one of the mixes.
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