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post #31 of 169
Monitor Auido silver or gold series. Awesome sound for the money IMO.
post #32 of 169
QSC KW122's will blow everything suggested away, you get a free 6 year warranty, and built in 1000 watt amplifiers. You can get them for $950 a piece at guitar center. I own them, and couldn't be happier.
post #33 of 169
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Originally Posted by Billy p View Post

How about the new Ascend Sierra Tower (~$1898.00) or Salk Audio ST (~$1999.00)...I think they'd compete relatively well within the OP budget?

I think "compare relatively well" is a tiny understatement.
post #34 of 169
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Originally Posted by Billy p View Post

How about the new Ascend Sierra Tower (~$1898.00) or Salk Audio ST (~$1999.00)...I think they'd compete relatively well within the OP budget?

Received my sierra towers last week. I can say with certainty that I'm done searching for that "best for the buck $2000 pair of speakers." I don't see how it can get better than this unless I want to spend thousands more. I find myself listening to music much more lately although my intention was always home theatre and 30% music. I'm not an audiophile by any means but at some point throughout the last 3 years, I've owned a pair of rockets 850s, studio 100s v5, energy RC-50, and the latest aperion verus towers. Not to knock on any of those various brands but to me personally, none of those speakers brought me the same level of satisfaction as the sierra does in the price range
post #35 of 169
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Originally Posted by TVMAN1991 View Post

Dude, also work at BB man. PROUD PROUD owner of the B and W CM series. Everyone here will say "they suck", "overpriced", etc etc but it seems there is always a re-occuring "hate on the big brand" prowess associated with this forum. Whatever, people will be people lol.

Anyways, the 8060s suck for music. They lack so much midrange and definition, they're just outright in your face. Good HT speaker though.

I've owned Energy Veritas, Infinity Primus, Klipsch Reference, Paradigm Studios, among many many others and the B and Ws are BY FAR the greatest I've heard so far. They're very neutral and natural. Bring em home, don't listen to the crappy demo we have setup.

At our price, they are a steal and sound fantastic. Trust me though, audition them before listening to everyone here. You always see the same options posted here (Cambridge audio, KEF, Emotiva, etc), never anything mainstream because people think theyre ****.

Yeah I've heard them plenty I know the 8060 sucks for music was thinking mythos more than the bipolar. But I was leaning towards the b&w just wondering if there was a general consensus on something that beats it out in the price range we get it for.
post #36 of 169
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Originally Posted by godzen View Post


Received my sierra towers last week. I can say with certainty that I'm done searching for that "best for the buck $2000 pair of speakers." I don't see how it can get better than this unless I want to spend thousands more. I find myself listening to music much more lately although my intention was always home theatre and 30% music. I'm not an audiophile by any means but at some point throughout the last 3 years, I've owned a pair of rockets 850s, studio 100s v5, energy RC-50, and the latest aperion verus towers. Not to knock on any of those various brands but to me personally, none of those speakers brought me the same level of satisfaction as the sierra does in the price range

Well that's a good response thank you eliminated the 100s from my short list. Unless of course I listen to them and feel other wise.
post #37 of 169
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So far it looks like I may do a in home comparison of the cm5 vs the nrt sierra. Do they do the nrt upgrade on the tower as well. And if not it would seem to not make sense to do that on the 1.
post #38 of 169
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

Well that's a good response thank you eliminated the 100s from my short list. Unless of course I listen to them and feel other wise.

Um I would listen to them before scratching them off your list. They may surprise you....
post #39 of 169
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post


Um I would listen to them before scratching them off your list. They may surprise you....

Agreed.

ALWAYS demo before keeping. Golden golden rule. I swear to death by the CM series, however you may not like them! That doesn't make one of us wrong... Just different tastes. It's a silky smooth and mellow speaker. Listening to Norah Jones high notes on the CM9s gives me goosebumps. Never felt that way about my paradigms, or any other mid-fi speaker.
post #40 of 169
Personally, I just want to say that I think the B & W CM9 speakers are pretty darn good, especially compared to comparably priced Klipsch or Energy or Paradigm speakers etc. such as you mentioned. I am sure that many people enjoy them and love them.

On the other hand, the PSB Image T6 and KEF Q900 are SO outstanding that it is no knock on the B & W speakers to say that the others ARE better speakers for the same price more or less.



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Originally Posted by TVMAN1991 View Post

Dude, also work at BB man. PROUD PROUD owner of the B and W CM series. Everyone here will say "they suck", "overpriced", etc etc but it seems there is always a re-occuring "hate on the big brand" prowess associated with this forum. Whatever, people will be people lol.

Anyways, the 8060s suck for music. They lack so much midrange and definition, they're just outright in your face. Good HT speaker though.

I've owned Energy Veritas, Infinity Primus, Klipsch Reference, Paradigm Studios, among many many others and the B and Ws are BY FAR the greatest I've heard so far. They're very neutral and natural. Bring em home, don't listen to the crappy demo we have setup.

At our price, they are a steal and sound fantastic. Trust me though, audition them before listening to everyone here. You always see the same options posted here (Cambridge audio, KEF, Emotiva, etc), never anything mainstream because people think theyre ****.
post #41 of 169
I have heard the Sierra speakers, and they are good speakers. On the other hand, the PSB Image T6 blows them away for $1300.



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Originally Posted by yelnatsch517 View Post

I think "compare relatively well" is a tiny understatement.
post #42 of 169
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

Personally, I just want to say that I think the B & W CM9 speakers are pretty darn good, especially compared to comparably priced Klipsch or Energy or Paradigm speakers etc. such as you mentioned. I am sure that many people enjoy them and love them.

On the other hand, the PSB Image T6 and KEF Q900 are SO outstanding that it is no knock on the B & W speakers to say that the others ARE better speakers for the same price more or less.

Well that's all personal opinion. Someone may like a lower end bright klipsch better than both, even though it's nowhere near the caliber of the other two.

I love the PSB image t6, will never knock them. However, I liked the CM9s even better and my BB discount won that over too! Lol.
post #43 of 169
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

I have heard the Sierra speakers, and they are good speakers. On the other hand, the PSB Image T6 blows them away for $1300.

Speaking of things that "blow" your OPINION here qualifies quite well, and certainly does not match up with the majority of people whom have actually taken the time to audition the Sierras (as well as other brands you have mentioned)! Please make it quite clear that your suggestions are just your subjective opinions based on very little of anything.

So you've "heard" the Ascends, have you had them, and the PSBs (and the B&Ws, and the KEFs, and the etc, etc, ad infinitum) in your own room, in your own system? Of course you have not, your opinion is less than meaningless. You keep recommending a couple of brands sold by your favorite dealer with no real objective comparisons, just "this blows away that"! You are of no help on these threads, on the contrary, you just serve to confuse.

I'm gonna have to quit the speaker forum for a while I'm so tired of reading your ********!

Jay
post #44 of 169
There are many good speakers in the $2k range. The best ones will be the ones that you like in sound and finish.
post #45 of 169
commsysman has already indicated that he thinks that even the PSB Alphas are better than the Sierra 1s. That seems way outside the norm of most people's experience with them.

In my case, I don't like Polk speakers. It appears my personal aesthetic values just don't match with the Polks. However, I still will recommend them to people because I know my experience is not at all representative of the average experience with Polk speakers; research in this forum tells me my perspective is wrong for others' ears, and I avoid qualifying them against other speakers unless that qualification is based on what I see as the community consensus. My individual perspective is just not at all a useful testimonial to anyone else since it's far outside the norm.
post #46 of 169
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

I have heard the Sierra speakers, and they are good speakers. On the other hand, the PSB Image T6 blows them away for $1300.

Wow...you've never mentioned in any of your more recent posts that you've heard the Sierra's and have compared them to speakers you clearly own & prefer. It's nice to see you considered them a "good" speaker because you've haven't being as graceful when offering your opinions on others speaker brands around here latley?

As an owner of some of Ascend speakers thanks for sharing....

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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

commsysman has already indicated that he thinks that even the PSB Alphas are better than the Sierra 1s. That seems way outside the norm of most people's experience with them.

In my case, I don't like Polk speakers. It appears my personal aesthetic values just don't match with the Polks. However, I still will recommend them to people because I know my experience is not at all representative of the average experience with Polk speakers; research in this forum tells me my perspective is wrong for others' ears, and I avoid qualifying them against other speakers unless that qualification is based on what I see as the community consensus. My individual perspective is just not at all a useful testimonial to anyone else since it's far outside the norm.

Whoa...I must have missed that one...Thanks....well there you have it....
post #47 of 169
I know a doctor in India who would give you a pair of fronts for $2000

Seriously that is what ran thru my mind with the title of this thread!

That said, for $2000 wouldn't b&w be the front runner?
post #48 of 169
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Originally Posted by Pet Motel View Post

Speaking of things that "blow" your OPINION here qualifies quite well, and certainly does not match up with the majority of people whom have actually taken the time to audition the Sierras (as well as other brands you have mentioned)! Please make it quite clear that your suggestions are just your subjective opinions based on very little of anything.

So you've "heard" the Ascends, have you had them, and the PSBs (and the B&Ws, and the KEFs, and the etc, etc, ad infinitum) in your own room, in your own system? Of course you have not, your opinion is less than meaningless. You keep recommending a couple of brands sold by your favorite dealer with no real objective comparisons, just "this blows away that"! You are of no help on these threads, on the contrary, you just serve to confuse.

I'm gonna have to quit the speaker forum for a while I'm so tired of reading your ********!

Jay

I'd bet he owns a stake in audio advisor!
post #49 of 169
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

So far it looks like I may do a in home comparison of the cm5 vs the nrt sierra. Do they do the nrt upgrade on the tower as well. And if not it would seem to not make sense to do that on the 1.

You might want to read through this thread...some valued information & analogies shared by the OP and directly compared some of the brands you're seeking..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1386720
post #50 of 169
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

Personally, I just want to say that I think the B & W CM9 speakers are pretty darn good, especially compared to comparably priced Klipsch or Energy or Paradigm speakers etc. such as you mentioned. I am sure that many people enjoy them and love them.

On the other hand, the PSB Image T6 and KEF Q900 are SO outstanding that it is no knock on the B & W speakers to say that the others ARE better speakers for the same price more or less.

I agree. The PSB Image T6 and KEF 900 certainly provide more warmth then the B&W CM9 speakers which roll off before producing any real bass. The CM9 are best with a sub-woofer, but then you would find that you could use CM5's for L+R and they would almost be as good. See home theaters measurements. Now compare that to the KEF Q900 and PSB Image T6. I would agree the CM9's are however the best that BB has to offer.
post #51 of 169
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

I agree. The PSB Image T6 and KEF 900 certainly provide more warmth then the B&W CM9 speakers which roll off before producing any real bass. The CM9 are best with a sub-woofer, but then you would find that you could use CM5's for L+R and they would almost be as good. See home theaters measurements. Now compare that to the KEF Q900 and PSB Image T6. I would agree the CM9's are however the best that BB has to offer.

Well either way I will be using a sub like the epik empire or rhythmik fv15.
post #52 of 169
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Originally Posted by Billy p View Post

How about the new Ascend Sierra Tower (~$1898.00) or Salk Audio ST (~$1999.00)...I think they'd compete relatively well within the OP budget?

they look very intresting for the price
post #53 of 169
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Originally Posted by smasher50 View Post

they look very intresting for the price

sure do...I have a set of Sierra Towers on order. Last summer, I completed a my own audition of speakers which included both the Image and Imagine series from Psb and kept my Sierra 1's at the time. Hum..maybe I shoulda listened to those Alphas though...apparently they're the real deal according to some...it seems.....
post #54 of 169
does any body know the price with the ribbon tweeter upgrade they don't mention it on site
post #55 of 169
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Originally Posted by smasher50 View Post

does any body know the price with the ribbon tweeter upgrade they don't mention it on site

The price can be found somewhere in the Towers discussion thread. The Sierra Towers come with the NrT upgrade for the RAAL upgrade you looking ~$700.00/pr.
post #56 of 169
We're all passionate about the speaker we own and recommend. It's really hard to listen to so many types of speakers. We all have our unique requirements and expectations. At the same time, one speaker can sound different between each person.

It's unfortunate some are trying to derail the thread with senseless bickering. OP is asking us for help and honestly, this unnecessary fighting is not showing the better side of this forum and why people come here seeking guidence.
post #57 of 169
I love how people are "comparing" a speaker (Ascend Tower) that, as far as I can tell, is still on pre-order!
post #58 of 169
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Originally Posted by NewHTbuyer View Post

I love how people are "comparing" a speaker (Ascend Tower) that, as far as I can tell, is still on pre-order!

One batch has already been delivered. Another set of pre-orders are now starting to reach customers.

The matching center channel is on pre-order, and should start shipping in couple of weeks.
post #59 of 169
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

We're all passionate about the speaker we own and recommend. It's really hard to listen to so many types of speakers. We all have our unique requirements and expectations. At the same time, one speaker can sound different between each person.

It's unfortunate some are trying to derail the thread with senseless bickering. OP is asking us for help and honestly, this unnecessary fighting is not showing the better side of this forum and why people come here seeking guidence.

And your help for the OP is?????

As you have pointed out, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I think we can all agree to that. I personally haven't auditioned many of the brands recommended here, and therefore have refrained from making unsubstantiated statements. If we could all subscribe to that ideal, opinions would be more helpful to the OP. He deserves an uncolored view of the products that meet his requirements, not the bold, unsubstantiated views from a member who has repeatedly been asked to tone down the authoritarian tone of his posts.

I'm sure that PSB, Monitor Audio, KEF, Ascend, Salk, Paradigm, B&W, Cirrus, Infinity, Energy, Polk, Boston Acoustics, Philharmonic Audio, and countless other brands have good, to excellent products in the OPs price range. To boldy state that one design eclipses all others, for all people, is obviously inaccurate at the least, and deceptive at the worst.

I recently purchased a set of Ascend Sierra NrTs, and I know that they are very good. They easily outclass my ten year old Mirage OM-7s in detail, imaging, dynamic power, and accuracy/realism. I have a pair of Sierra Towers with the RAAL tweeter in route now as we speak.

Currently the only products I can definitively compare are the Sierras with the Mirage OM-7s, because they are side by side in my listening room. I think most of the forum memebers hold themselves to a similar metric that when they make comparisons it is because they've heard the products in question in the same room, in the same listening session. Or if we mention a product that we have heard of that is well reviewed, we will make that distinction.

Finding that perfect speaker is often an overwhelming task due to the enormous amount of product on the market. Look through the threads on this forum, and rarely will there be a consensus, unless the OP has his short list narrowed down to just a couple of contenders. Even then, others will often be recommended.

One of the things that I try and do to help narrow the field is to pay attention to the area home theater get-togethers that are put on in individual's homes. Then I try to get a feel for what products scored highest, and I pay attention to the reviewers that seem to like the same qualities that I find attractive. I tend to listen to those whom have auditioned a great many speakers, they will often have a bit better insight than more casual listeners.

OK, done with the book, hope no one fell asleep!

Jay
post #60 of 169
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

Well either way I will be using a sub like the epik empire or rhythmik fv15.

I would 2nd the Rhythmik. Right now they are my favorite sub if not DIY'ing.

You should REALLY check out the Zaph ZRT 2.5 way Revelators for sonic accuracy. Seriously doubt there is a commercial offering in your price range that can come close to standing toe to toe with them. Even the PSB Image T6. I doubt the Synchrony 1's from PSB would run with the ZRT's, and I love the Synchrony.
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