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post #61 of 169
amen
post #62 of 169
Easy there smart ass... Scroll up and you will see I offered help... We know you're on the ascend train, but paradigms are hardly a slouch in the ht arena.


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Originally Posted by Pet Motel View Post

And your help for the OP is?????

As you have pointed out, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I think we can all agree to that. I personally haven't auditioned many of the brands recommended here, and therefore have refrained from making unsubstantiated statements. If we could all subscribe to that ideal, opinions would be more helpful to the OP. He deserves an uncolored view of the products that meet his requirements, not the bold, unsubstantiated views from a member who has repeatedly been asked to tone down the authoritarian tone of his posts.

I'm sure that PSB, Monitor Audio, KEF, Ascend, Salk, Paradigm, B&W, Cirrus, Infinity, Energy, Polk, Boston Acoustics, Philharmonic Audio, and countless other brands have good, to excellent products in the OPs price range. To boldy state that one design eclipses all others, for all people, is obviously inaccurate at the least, and deceptive at the worst.

I recently purchased a set of Ascend Sierra NrTs, and I know that they are very good. They easily outclass my ten year old Mirage OM-7s in detail, imaging, dynamic power, and accuracy/realism. I have a pair of Sierra Towers with the RAAL tweeter in route now as we speak.

Currently the only products I can definitively compare are the Sierras with the Mirage OM-7s, because they are side by side in my listening room. I think most of the forum memebers hold themselves to a similar metric that when they make comparisons it is because they've heard the products in question in the same room, in the same listening session. Or if we mention a product that we have heard of that is well reviewed, we will make that distinction.

Finding that perfect speaker is often an overwhelming task due to the enormous amount of product on the market. Look through the threads on this forum, and rarely will there be a consensus, unless the OP has his short list narrowed down to just a couple of contenders. Even then, others will often be recommended.

One of the things that I try and do to help narrow the field is to pay attention to the area home theater get-togethers that are put on in individual's homes. Then I try to get a feel for what products scored highest, and I pay attention to the reviewers that seem to like the same qualities that I find attractive. I tend to listen to those whom have auditioned a great many speakers, they will often have a bit better insight than more casual listeners.

OK, done with the book, hope no one fell asleep!

Jay
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

Easy there smart ass... Scroll up and you will see I offered help... We know you're on the ascend train, but paradigms are hardly a slouch in the ht arena.

I'm not pushing Ascend at all. I was merely pointing out what works for me, and a method for trying to decide how to narrow the playing field. Little doubt that Paradigm makes some superb speakers.

Kinda funny you would admonish for bickering, and then resort to name calling.

Jay
post #64 of 169
I would like to see a show of hands:

1. Zaph isn't a good designer
2. That there is a single $2K / pair speaker with better drivers than the
Scan Speak 18W8531G Revelator or the 6600 AirCirc tweeter.
post #65 of 169
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Originally Posted by smasher50 View Post

i'm sorry mom . i dont think the center channel has that option you could contact ascend and ask. if not "imo" iwould keep the same types of drivers across the front

center does come with ribbon option,...ugh..ahem...idiot
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

Seriously smasher how old are you?? Or are you a little man?? If I was posting from my computer I would have blocked you. I know it's best to match hence the question I asked.

i was only trying to ease the tension with the quip.it was to be all in fun and "excuse" me if i interputed your post about the center channel in the wrong way and was not insulting your inteligence i'm going to leave it at that i really don't want to start childish name calling with you or who else
post #67 of 169
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Originally Posted by taoggniklat View Post

There are many good speakers in the $2k range. The best ones will be the ones that you like in sound and finish.

I agree.

OP,
I heard a lot of speakers, and I mean A LOT of speakers here in Cali, as many as I could so that I bought the best speakers for me. I ended up with Dynaudios. Of course there were lots and lots of other very good speakers I heard. There were a few that I didn't like at all. I listened to speakers from $500/pr to $68,000/pr. My budget was $2k as well. There were so many speakers that were available but I chose what I did, cause thats what I liked the best.

Don't get stuck on a couple brands just because you take a popularity poll on some forum, listen to whatever you can. T+A and Amphion make incredible speakers, and they probably don't even have a thread on this forum. Sonic's and Areial and PMC make fantastic speakers also, no one talks about them. I haven't heard Salk or Ascends, but Im sure they are great too with everything people say about them.

Audition, Audition, Audition.... get a 30 day trial from online brands, see what you like the best.
post #68 of 169
$2k / pr is an interesting price point to me, I found there is a lot of sound quality difference between the 'best' and 'worst' .... and to get better sound quality than the 'best' the $$$ increase on a much steeper slope than the sound quality does.
I like to audition speakers and have listened to a bunch of them. When I am shopping after I narrow it down I like to take other people with me to listen and discuss what we are hearing. If you know someone that plays an orchestra instrument they are likely to be especially adept at evaluating speakers.
I only use 2 or 3 songs and only listen to 3 to 5 fairly short segments total, and as the field is narrowed the segments get reduced.
I like speakers that will rock the house, but definition and clarity are overwhelming factors for me.
Just listen to as many speakers as possible, I really feel for people that have more limited listening resources than I do.... even though I am in a huge metroplex area there are not that many speaker brands available for audition.
It really is amazing that some speakers simply do not reproduce all of the sounds especially if the sound stage is busy / complex.
post #69 of 169
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Originally Posted by NewHTbuyer View Post

I love how people are "comparing" a speaker (Ascend Tower) that, as far as I can tell, is still on pre-order!

I have had mine for months now..
post #70 of 169
If there's anyway you can demo some Yamaha Soavos, I think they should be included in your short list.
post #71 of 169
Does your Center need to be horizontally placed, or can it be a vertical bookshelf speaker?
post #72 of 169
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Does your Center need to be horizontally placed, or can it be a vertical bookshelf speaker?

It would need to be horizontal as per space constraint. Mind you the $ 2000 price point is just for the front two not including the center.
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Originally Posted by malaplace View Post

I have had mine for months now..

Oops! My bad. Did not realize they had already had a previous production run.

So, how do you like them? They look pretty sweet on the Ascend website. Do you have them as a 2.0 system or part of a surround setup, and if so, with what center and surround speakers? Just curious.
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

It would need to be horizontal as per space constraint. Mind you the $ 2000 price point is just for the front two not including the center.

I see.

Dennis Murphy, who did a lot of the Salk designs & crossover, can build you the front L/R, horizontal Center, and Surround. Just email him. Might be worth your while.

The Philharmonic 2 are $2K/pr. Dennis can probably do ribbon for matching horizontal center and ribbons for surrounds too.

Some folks who heard the Philharmonic 2 are saying they prefer the Phil2 over some other more expensive speakers.

I'm getting the Phil3 soon. Should get them in few weeks.

So many good speakers out there.
post #76 of 169
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post


I see.

Dennis Murphy, who did a lot of the Salk designs & crossover, can build you the front L/R, horizontal Center, and Surround. Just email him. Might be worth your while.

The Philharmonic 2 are $2K/pr. Dennis can probably do ribbon for matching horizontal center and ribbons for surrounds too.

Some folks who heard the Philharmonic 2 are saying they prefer the Phil2 over some other more expensive speakers.

I'm getting the Phil3 soon. Should get them in few weeks.

So many good speakers out there.

The depth on those boxes for the front is too much the right speaker is going by a door that needs to open regularly. Did like what I read about his speakers just seem like a no go.
post #77 of 169
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Weazy View Post

Why not Swan??

http://www.theaudioinsider.com/produ...products_id=48

Checking into it now.
post #78 of 169
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

The depth on those boxes for the front is too much the right speaker is going by a door that needs to open regularly. Did like what I read about his speakers just seem like a no go.

Forgot about that. Going senile.

Then Salk SongTowers or Ascend Sierra Towers.

http://www.salksound.com/songtower%20specifications.htm

But I like KEF Q900 + Q600C (or Q200C if need smaller) + Q300 (or Q100 if need smaller).

Also like NHT Classic Four + Classic Three Center (or Classic 2 if smaller) + SuperZero surrounds (or Absolute Zero if want bigger).

Also the new Revel Performa series are coming out. The F206 set may be your ticket. Comes out in June.

http://www.avhub.com.au/index.php/Ne...-3-series.html
post #79 of 169
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

The depth on those boxes for the front is too much the right speaker is going by a door that needs to open regularly. Did like what I read about his speakers just seem like a no go.

Are you still set up like this picture
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...1&d=1319434429
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Originally Posted by TVMAN1991 View Post

Dude, also work at BB man. PROUD PROUD owner of the B and W CM series. Everyone here will say "they suck", "overpriced", etc etc but it seems there is always a re-occuring "hate on the big brand" prowess associated with this forum. Whatever, people will be people lol.

Anyways, the 8060s suck for music. They lack so much midrange and definition, they're just outright in your face. Good HT speaker though.

I've owned Energy Veritas, Infinity Primus, Klipsch Reference, Paradigm Studios, among many many others and the B and Ws are BY FAR the greatest I've heard so far. They're very neutral and natural. Bring em home, don't listen to the crappy demo we have setup.

At our price, they are a steal and sound fantastic. Trust me though, audition them before listening to everyone here. You always see the same options posted here (Cambridge audio, KEF, Emotiva, etc), never anything mainstream because people think theyre ****.

All I can say is calling the deftech 8060 towers sucky for music and lack any midrange is crazy...they must not of been hooked up right....I don't know how many times ive gone into best buy to listen to speakers B&W too......the people in there ALWAYS gravitate to the 8060's over all others....and in your face?...I think your refering to klipsch....but bestbuy doesn't setup klipsch...
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post


Are you still set up like this picture
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...1&d=1319434429

Yes but the recliner on the left will go bye bye if that is the picture I think it is. On my phone and don't feel like logging into the mobile site but that its fairly recent I believe.
post #82 of 169
Thread Starter 
Swans are a no go to as I see no bookshelves for rears dipoles wouldn't be too friendly for the room either as my couch is on the wall and left side has windows. Not a great acoustical room I know
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I may be wrong but the cost of all speakers in this set totals around USD450 (2*RT2, 2*M5A, 4*D8)... plus another USD100 for crossover parts (do not think one needs hi-end mundorfs for this level of speakers).. can be interesting DIY project

http://www.e-speakers.com/-strse-Sho...Categories.bok
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

Yes but the recliner on the left will go bye bye if that is the picture I think it is.

OK, just hoping for you to get the best performace you can - with your
layout, and the big investment.
post #86 of 169
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Originally Posted by Jinjuku View Post

I would like to see a show of hands:

1. Zaph isn't a good designer
2. That there is a single $2K / pair speaker with better drivers than the
Scan Speak 18W8531G Revelator or the 6600 AirCirc tweeter.

Be tweets in the Paradigm Sig 1 might give it a run for its money.

As far as the AirCirc goes, SVS's first generation MBS speakers had it, and it's a $1k speaker. The second generation is supposedly even better, and it's a custom design from the same engineers that made the AirCirc.
post #87 of 169
OP, if you're considering used & dont mind outdated aesthetics & size Klipsch KLF-30s are the best speakers I've ever heard... I swear by them. They will be hard to come by though but the sound is amazing.

Sold mine after 10 years of heavy usage for $500... I felt sad & regret it very much, if I ever come across a set of those I might have to buy them again, lol.
post #88 of 169
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Originally Posted by astrallite View Post

Be tweets in the Paradigm Sig 1 might give it a run for its money.

As far as the AirCirc goes, SVS's first generation MBS speakers had it, and it's a $1k speaker. The second generation is supposedly even better, and it's a custom design from the same engineers that made the AirCirc.

+1 for the Paradigm tweeter, almost universal praise for that.

Based upon what I've read, the RAAL ribbon is regarded extremely well. I'll know for myself very shortly. They are pricey though.

Jay
post #89 of 169
I vote for vandersteen 3a sig used.

They are on audiogon for around 2k.
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Originally Posted by taam View Post

I vote for vandersteen 3a sig used.

They are on audiogon for around 2k.

Great suggestion, if the OP is inclined to take $2K to the used speaker market. I know that is what I would do.
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