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post #91 of 169
1/29/12 at 8:44pm
I don't think anyone suggested Aperion Verus Grand Towers? $1800 for the pair with 30 day trial period - free shipping both ways.
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post #92 of 169
1/29/12 at 9:02pm
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Ok so far the short list for new product seems to consist of the cm series, sierras, salk, paradigm studio, and the kef q from what I've put together from the opinions I've rounded up. Now of course the used market is coming up I'll be honest here I don't want twenty inch wide towers and depth as previously stated is an issue. All my house is designed relatively contemporary/modern.
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post #93 of 169
1/29/12 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by bdahern View Post

I don't think anyone suggested Aperion Verus Grand Towers? $1800 for the pair with 30 day trial period - free shipping both ways.

Both ways wow first time I have heard that. I will be looking into this.
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post #94 of 169
1/30/12 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by astrallite View Post

Be tweets in the Paradigm Sig 1 might give it a run for its money.

As far as the AirCirc goes, SVS's first generation MBS speakers had it, and it's a $1k speaker. The second generation is supposedly even better, and it's a custom design from the same engineers that made the AirCirc.

So my entire point still stands. Find me any commercial speaker that has the guts of the Zaph Revelator for $2K or under.
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post #95 of 169
1/30/12 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by TVMAN1991 View Post

Dude, also work at BB man. PROUD PROUD owner of the B and W CM series. Everyone here will say "they suck", "overpriced", etc etc but it seems there is always a re-occuring "hate on the big brand" prowess associated with this forum. Whatever, people will be people lol.

Anyways, the 8060s suck for music. They lack so much midrange and definition, they're just outright in your face. Good HT speaker though.

I've owned Energy Veritas, Infinity Primus, Klipsch Reference, Paradigm Studios, among many many others and the B and Ws are BY FAR the greatest I've heard so far. They're very neutral and natural. Bring em home, don't listen to the crappy demo we have setup.

At our price, they are a steal and sound fantastic. Trust me though, audition them before listening to everyone here. You always see the same options posted here (Cambridge audio, KEF, Emotiva, etc), never anything mainstream because people think theyre ****.

I don't hate B&W, in fact I love the sound of B&W. I sold them for about a year while I worked in high end audio, and all I wanted to own were Nautilus 802's (the precursor to 802D's). That being said, even at half price I couldn't afford $4,000 for a pair (which are now half price at $6,000 right?).

The whole point to my post, is that many of us have seen the light with regard to internet direct. With a retail brand you've got the manufacturer, the distributor, the retailer, and the consumer. That's 4 parties that are involved in an exchange of money. With internet direct brands you've got the manufacturer and the consumer. That's 2 parties that are involved in an exchange of money. Doesn't it stand to reason that in this transaction, the net result is a better speaker for less money?

Now, I wanted 802's and couldn't afford them. I listened to a lot of other speakers and ended up with Salk SongTowers. What I found for under $2,000 for a pair of speakers are speakers that did everything the 802's did (and in some cases better, I like the tweeter section more as to me it's smoother, more airy, and less bright) with the exception of the fact they don't dig as low as 802's. Since I have a capable subwoofer, the low end is actually perfect for my needs. So for 1/6 the price of current market value for 802's, I got speakers that I like as much as the 802's.

Your mileage may vary, but my recommendation for a pair of fronts for $2,000, are Salk SongTowers.

-Chad
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post #96 of 169
1/30/12 at 6:53am
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Both ways wow first time I have heard that. I will be looking into this.

NHT also offers free shipping both ways.

I think NHT is really good.
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post #97 of 169
1/30/12 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

I don't hate B&W, in fact I love the sound of B&W. I sold them for about a year while I worked in high end audio, and all I wanted to own were Nautilus 802's (the precursor to 802D's). That being said, even at half price I couldn't afford $4,000 for a pair (which are now half price at $6,000 right?).

The whole point to my post, is that many of us have seen the light with regard to internet direct. With a retail brand you've got the manufacturer, the distributor, the retailer, and the consumer. That's 4 parties that are involved in an exchange of money. With internet direct brands you've got the manufacturer and the consumer. That's 2 parties that are involved in an exchange of money. Doesn't it stand to reason that in this transaction, the net result is a better speaker for less money?

Now, I wanted 802's and couldn't afford them. I listened to a lot of other speakers and ended up with Salk SongTowers. What I found for under $2,000 for a pair of speakers are speakers that did everything the 802's did (and in some cases better, I like the tweeter section more as to me it's smoother, more airy, and less bright) with the exception of the fact they don't dig as low as 802's. Since I have a capable subwoofer, the low end is actually perfect for my needs. So for 1/6 the price of current market value for 802's, I got speakers that I like as much as the 802's.

Your mileage may vary, but my recommendation for a pair of fronts for $2,000, are Salk SongTowers.

-Chad

Excellent point.

BTW, the new 802 Diamond are now $15K/pr. Inflation.

It's really amazing seeing a lot of people say these $2K speakers from Salk/Philharmonic/Ascend are at least as good as some of these other highly marked up > $10K speakers.

I believe it.

But what you will get with the 802D gloss black is the 20 layers of beech, 10 layers of lacquer, and 4 days of polishing.
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post #98 of 169
1/30/12 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Excellent point.

BTW, the new 802 Diamond are now $15K/pr. Inflation.

It's really amazing seeing a lot of people say these $2K speakers from Salk/Philharmonic/Ascend are at least as good as some of these other highly marked up > $10K speakers.

I believe it.

But what you will get with the 802D gloss black is the 20 layers of beech, 10 layers of lacquer, and 4 days of polishing.

And, of course, the second mortgage LOL!

Jay
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post #99 of 169
1/30/12 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Excellent point.

BTW, the new 802 Diamond are now $15K/pr. Inflation.

It's really amazing seeing a lot of people say these $2K speakers from Salk/Philharmonic/Ascend are at least as good as some of these other highly marked up > $10K speakers.

I believe it.

But what you will get with the 802D gloss black is the 20 layers of beech, 10 layers of lacquer, and 4 days of polishing.

Maybe he hasn't seen the video.....
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post #100 of 169
1/30/12 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by Pet Motel View Post

And, of course, the second mortgage LOL!

Jay

Very true.

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Maybe he hasn't seen the video.....

What? No. C'mon.

http://blog.bowers-wilkins.com/sound...-loud-speaker/
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post #101 of 169
1/30/12 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Forgot about that. Going senile.

Then Salk SongTowers or Ascend Sierra Towers.

http://www.salksound.com/songtower%20specifications.htm

But I like KEF Q900 + Q600C (or Q200C if need smaller) + Q300 (or Q100 if need smaller).

Also like NHT Classic Four + Classic Three Center (or Classic 2 if smaller) + SuperZero surrounds (or Absolute Zero if want bigger).

Also the new Revel Performa series are coming out. The F206 set may be your ticket. Comes out in June.

http://www.avhub.com.au/index.php/Ne...-3-series.html

Another vote for the Salk SongTower's, Ascend Sierra Towers and the Kef Q900's. The Revel's are also good for the $$$ IMO.

By the way, the Rythmik and Epik subwoofers you mentioned are pretty awesome; good choice!


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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

Are you still set up like this picture
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...1&d=1319434429

If that's your room situation I wouldn't get towers at all. I doubt anything will sound up to its full potential crammed into that space, no offense of course. In fact, any bass reflex design will suffer greatly IMO.

For those who haven't seen the pic:
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post #102 of 169
1/30/12 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

Both ways wow first time I have heard that. I will be looking into this.

You stated you have a contemporary looking area.. I'd go with the Martin Logan Electrostats.. About 1k ea.. Those would look and sound great..

Ok,I just saw the area they are going in.. You might need to go with wall mounts..
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post #103 of 169
1/30/12 at 8:55am
I would expierment with some NHT on-wall speakers
http://www.nhthifi.com/Home-Theater-...&category=7166
Or, the Focal SIB XL
http://dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/25554
Or, EMP on-wall
http://www.emptek.com/ew25.php

And, I would look at Atlantic Tech FS-3200 Speakers
http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Techn.../dp/B001P05N8I

And a good Rythmik sub

Then save up for the future, when you have the option to do better.
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post #104 of 169
1/30/12 at 9:43am
As Andrew "Dice" Clay said after a gig for the Sisters of Eternal Grace; "man, that was a tough room!" LOL

Jay
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post #105 of 169
1/30/12 at 9:46am
I am just curious as to why you have it setup like that?....what is on the other wall that is preventing you from putting your system there?....really odd you have to have it by the stairs like that
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post #106 of 169
1/30/12 at 10:16am
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I am just curious as to why you have it setup like that?....what is on the other wall that is preventing you from putting your system there?....really odd you have to have it by the stairs like that

There is nothing on the opposing wall besides a love seat, two end tables, and a DVD rack. There would be no way to change walls to the left it opens up to our dining room and kitchen. It's a small attached house in queens ny. And the way it is now I only have about a 8 to 9 foot distance from the tv. I'm just trying to make the best of what I have to work with.
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post #107 of 169
1/30/12 at 10:35am
Wow that room is indeed a tough order. You're definitely in a pickle here.
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post #108 of 169
1/30/12 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

I would expierment with some NHT on-wall speakers
http://www.nhthifi.com/Home-Theater-...&category=7166
Or, the Focal SIB XL
http://dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/25554
Or, EMP on-wall
http://www.emptek.com/ew25.php

And, Iwould look at Atlantic Tech FS-3200 Speakers
http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Techn.../dp/B001P05N8I

And a good Rythmik sub

Then save up for the future, when you have the option to do better.

On walls are even going to be a hassle the walls are ancient so I have 2 layers of Sheetrock then plaster then concrete block. Could do wire covers up to them or spend a whole day or two digging and patching.
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post #109 of 169
1/30/12 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

Wow that room is indeed a tough order. You're definitely in a pickle here.

Uh huh sooo I guess everything I'm looking at isn't going to work well for me ..
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post #110 of 169
1/30/12 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

Uh huh sooo I guess everything I'm looking at isn't going to work well for me ..

What you are looking at will play louder and sound bigger, and some
what better than what you own. However, that room enviorment and
placement - will rob you of the true potential and benefits, that you
desire from such an investment. It is your decision.
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post #111 of 169
1/30/12 at 11:14am
Maybe get one of those surround center speakers.. Or small satelite 5.1
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post #112 of 169
1/30/12 at 11:17am
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I'm retarded I'll probably just do it in hopes of relocating.. IDK thinking time.. What about mirages with their omnipolar tech would that work ok or their towers still would be sacrificing a lot?? Like the omd15s with a rhythmik and the matching satellite and center setup.. I guess I was afraid of this to begin with.
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post #113 of 169
1/30/12 at 11:18am
I made my recommendation before seeing your room. A soundbar might honestly be a better option for you. You don't have a whole lot to work with there.

-Chad
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post #114 of 169
1/30/12 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

I made my recommendation before seeing your room. A soundbar might honestly be a better option for you. You don't have a whole lot to work with there.

-Chad

Well I already have a 5.1 I'm not downgrading maybe I'll just deal with the harshness of the klipsch till a move is in order.
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post #115 of 169
1/30/12 at 11:33am
Just start saving now for the ultimate speaker setup for when you move. Aside from hanging speakers on the wall, you won't get full potential by anything that is being recommended here. I don't even think a wall solution is going to make you happy in the end. I would just tough it out until you move.
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post #116 of 169
1/30/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

Just start saving now for the ultimate speaker setup for when you move. Aside from hanging speakers on the wall, you won't get full potential by anything that is being recommended here. I don't even think a wall solution is going to make you happy in the end. I would just tough it out until you move.

Unfortunately I agree with this, but really, who are we to tell you what to do? It's your money, so if you want to buy speakers then buy speakers. Just know that you won't get anywhere near the performance you could from placing them in a better listening environment. If you're cool with that, carry on.

So, if you're still leaning toward tower speakers, those Mirages are not the way to go IMO. I wouldn't put bi-pole speakers in that room. I wouldn't use bass reflex either, actually. LOL! Sorry...not funny... Well, I'm going to be called a fanboy for this, but Salk's SongTower's are a transmission line design as opposed to a bass reflex, so they won't interact with room boundaries in the same way a standard bass reflex would. In my opinion they'll sound better than a bass reflex design, and this has nothing to do with my love for their speakers; they are just a better fit for that room if you want tower speakers. With that said, I'll again say I wouldn't put a tower speaker in that room; not shoved in the corner like that. Not even the SongTower's.

Just my $0.02
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post #117 of 169
1/30/12 at 12:05pm
I'd recommend sharing more pictures of the room (all sides) before giving up, just in case someone can figure out a better room placement strategy for you. That is, if you are willing to consider rearranging some furniture.
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post #118 of 169
1/30/12 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

...transmission line design as opposed to a bass reflex, so they won't excite the room modes in the same way a standard bass reflex would...

Brandon, can you give a quick reason for this, or point me to an explanation?

Soundwaves are soundwaves...I always thought.
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post #119 of 169
1/30/12 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by NewHTbuyer View Post

Oops! My bad. Did not realize they had already had a previous production run.

So, how do you like them? They look pretty sweet on the Ascend website. Do you have them as a 2.0 system or part of a surround setup, and if so, with what center and surround speakers? Just curious.

I love them. They have spawned new expenses for me in the form of a turntable and a sharp increase in my vinyl and cd music purchasing. I have them in an LCR set up in my family room for now. I previously had the Sierra 1 LCR; I have since upgraded the tweeter of the center to the NRT, and the Sierra 1 LR are collecting dust until I can figure out what to do with them. Every now and then I question whether I should get the ribbon upgrade, but I'm extremely happy with the dome NRT for now.
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post #120 of 169
1/30/12 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I'd recommend sharing more pictures of the room (all sides) before giving up, just in case someone can figure out a better room placement strategy for you. That is, if you are willing to consider rearranging some furniture.

I will when I can I'm not there now and am going to be quite busy the next few days. Sorry
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