Options for Recording After DVDRs Are Gone
|Just a heads-up: The FCC has been making changes in cable rules that could affect your research and decision on new technology. See this Nov 2012 article that mentions some of the options described here and the potential problems you *might* experience when using them in the all-scrambled cable future. Far-fetched as it may seem, even OTA signals could be affected (scrambled) *someday* based on industry and FCC discussions on "how-to-screw-the-viewer-next" found on the internet.|
This thread is for exposing VCR/DVDR users to specific options for recording after there are no new HDD/DVD recorders (DVDRs) available in North America in 2014 and beyond.
The latest (8th) generation of std def (SD) Magnavox HDD/DVD recorders was released in Sep 2012, and they will be the last. This 8th gen only came about because of our direct appeal to Walmart (WM) and their direct request to Funai. (Walmart is a huge influence on what Funai does since, in FY2011-12, they represented ~27% of Funai's GLOBAL sales and ~51% of N.A. sales!)
See this thread for a NEW appeal to keep standalone recorders, either SD or HD, coming... IT CAN WORK AGAIN! You can help that cause as explained there! Then you won't have to worry about "what next."
Please confine this new discussion to options or alternatives to VCRs and DVDRs and keep it as simple as possible, at least in the beginning, so VCR/DVDR users can keep up... and, remember, some of us have people in our lives who cringe when we say the word "computer" or even "hard disk drive" so we'll have a huge learning curve (or impediment) there, just for the new language that might be required! *
*Many VCR/DVDR users would think you were "talking dirty" if you started using words like push-pull, rip, Twonky, dongle... some are probably cringing right now! I know the AVS elitists can't understand, but to the great mass of common folk (Walmart shoppers), "hard drive" = "computer" and they don't want no damn computer involved in their TV watchin'! OK, right now, are you pointing your finger at your spouse, grandma, or YOURSELF!?
There's an older help file on editing DVDR files once "ripped to a PC" (some new words already!). However, THIS thread is for options other than a VCR/DVDR for RECORDING video files in the first place. Even so, new recommendations for post-record editing tools, other than a VCR/DVDR, are also appropriate and welcome. After all, VCR/DVDR users need to get used to ALL aspects of their new world of recording... including the new language they'll need to learn.
All posts here will be of value and should be read, but I'll add annotated links below to posts that are "points of light," i.e., ones that include the most info in a single post and followup discussion. The annotation will describe the basic elements so newbies can go there directly if it sounds like something of interest. Please make suggestions for posts YOU think should be highlighted.
I hope the following links will be important to PC-newbies in finding viable options to VCRs and DVDRs especially as this thread gets longer!
Jump to "points of light":
- HDTV Recorders - AVS threads on high-def (HD) DVRs (no on-board DVD burner), some of which are still available.
- Home-Theater PC (HTPC) Forums - AVS forums on home theater PC's.
- Building your own HTPC.
- List of Available DVD Production Tools for PCs.
- DVD File Structure & Terminology (scroll down to 2nd red line).
- Dare2be-1 - List of basic uses YOUR post-DVDR option should have and features to accomplish them?
Dare2be-2 - Chart comparing features of 5 PC and standalone products worthy of consideration.
- Dartman - Complete description of PC system for cable TV, HDHomeRun Prime with 3 cable card tuners, Windows Media Center (WMC), HD VideReDo for editing, etc. HDHomeRun for OTA with 2 tuners also available.
- Plplplpl - Old HP Pavilion Elite with WMC, 10.750TB of HDDs, Bluray burner and lots more.
- Hauppauge 1212 HD-PVR - $189-220 external box for recording from cable or set-top box (STB) to a computer. Discussion starts here. One user starts his Review with some good info: "It takes component video from any HD cable or satellite box, digitizes and compresses it to an h.264 transport stream and sends it via USB2.0 to a computer." And, later, this: "If you're sick of your cable company's crappy DVR and of paying for the privilege of using it, or of paying for redundant guide data (Tivo), or have an existing PC-based PVR box and your cable company just went "all digital" and took away all the analog channels you used to record freely (and even encrypted them on QAM even though they're not even HD), then the HDPVR is a must-have. Just get a standard, non-PVR HD cable or satellite box, mate it with this and enjoy!"
- Windows Media Center (WMC) vs. Tivo - Charles R describes his conversion from Tivo to WMC with X-box as extenders, HDHomerun, etc. for all his recording, streaming, storage, etc. He has enough detail in Post #1 alone for anyone else to do the same thing if desired, or at least contact him for more details if needed.
- Boxee TV - A $99 set-top box for combining over-the-air live TV broadcasts, DVR functionality, and web apps in a single home-theater solution. Note this latest box is a familiar rectangular shape, unlike their previous "oddly-shaped" boxes. AVS thread here.
- Ceton Echo - Connect the $179 Ceton Echo to a TV set and enjoy live TV, DVR and all your personal media in any room. As they say on their splash page, "Transform your WMC PC into the whole-home entertainment box you’ve always wanted." AVS thread here.
- Avermedia Game Capture HD C281 - A $130 box for capturing HD DVR titles on USB-connected HDDs. Avermedia website ... Amazon seller.
- Hauppauge 1512 HD-PVR 2 - An upgraded 1212, #9 above. A $200 external box for recording unprotected content from HDMI and Component sources to a computer. Includes an IR blaster for auto-changing cable/sat box channels. Compatible with Windows Media Center (WMC). AVS thread.
- Roku LT, HD, 2XS, 2XD & 3 - Palm-sized $40-100 box for streaming and copying from "Channels" like Netflix, Vudu, HBOGO, Hulu Plus, Amazon, etc. (see "Channels" on their website). LT/HD/2XD/2XS have composite YWR output for recording to a PC or DVD recorder (with CP filter/converter as needed), but latest model 3 has only a single HDMI output. KenF has some interesting info on the Roku 2XS, which is not on Roku's website. It's the only model with both wired and wireless networking, plus the required composite output (along with HDMI). The 2XS can be found at Amazon for $85, at Sam's Club for ~$84 and Costco (in-store and online), at J&R for $99, and at B&H for $87. Retains setup, channels, resume point on titles, etc. when unplugged, so it's portable from one TV to another. I can stream movies nicely with my 1.5Mbps AT&T Uverse internet, great quality. My Vizio LED Smart TV does the same without the Roku.
Edited by wajo - 4/29/13 at 6:43am