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post #301 of 1288
Guys I'm pretty sure the PA5500 is the exact same as the PA6500. I don't know why you are all paying extra for a higher model number and with no actual differences.
post #302 of 1288
Perhaps (other than the PA6500 has two component inputs) but what's the lowest price you have seen on the 60PA5500? Amazon lists the same price for both, $1099. Have you seen this model in any store? I haven't. Which basically means that you are relegated to buying from an on-line store. The problem with on-line stores? Some say that a set cannot be returned unless it has 5 or more dead pixels. So basically you have to buy from Amazon. And just getting the real price from Amazon is a royal hassle. (Fry Electronics is even worse - you have to provide a credit card number in the checkout before you can see the price.) I have 30 days in which to return mine for a full refund no matter what my reason may be. So unless I can buy it at Target, WalMart, Costco, Best Buy or Fry Electronics (which will allow me to audition it) then I have no interest. Well, that and AZ has added a tax form line item which says that any item bought on the internet must be reported and sales taxes paid. Who knows?, Amazon may not have to collect AZ taxes but they may have to report the sale in the future to the state supplying name and address. Being the good little citizen that I am I am willing to pay the sales tax.

Things I don't like so far about the PA6500:
1] The zoom feature defaults to 16x9 and then it allows you to zoom for a compressed picture. It would have been much nicer if they had a zoom that worked like an Oppo player.
2] The remote is a little wonky with some buttons too close to each other.
3] To access the expert patterns you will need to use the back button instead of the OK or Exit button.
4] No ARC
5] My XBox360 looks too dark.

Thing I like:
1] I set up the PS3 to output at 24p and the TV was set to 24p. It gives, to me, an acceptable picture.
2] Setting to extended picture gamut does make a nice difference without over saturation.
Edited by wallijonn - 6/17/12 at 8:21pm
post #303 of 1288
How do you set the TV to 24 FPS? I don't think I've found the setting yet. Do all ps3 games output at that rate, or were you referring to BR movies on the ps3? Is it desirable to set to 24fps, or is it only neccessary if you have an input source at that rate? Also, what is the cinema 3:2 pulldown? Is that the same as 24fps? I know, lots of questions. This is one area that I'm not real sure about.
Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide on this.
post #304 of 1288
Yes, I meant 24fps, not 24p.

3:2 pulldown:
http://www.moviola.com/book/export/html/269
http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judder#Telecine_judder


judder: http://www.avsforum.com/search.php?search=judder

24fps is only for movies.

The reason why I make mention of it is because a few other 24fps TVs don't do so well. It'll be interesting to see what others say who have experienced judder on other TVs. Some say that Panasonic's 24/48/60 implementation isn't perfect, that 48fps produces too much flicker.

See http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/05/19/less-is-more-why-24fps-is-important-in-home-theater-pcs/

Keep looking for the setting; it's in there somewhere, probably under Expert settings.
post #305 of 1288
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Originally Posted by OM3 View Post


Totally agree, I actually have a break-in preset as well that I leave on most of the time. I basically use the same settings I posted except the contrast and brightness are set at 50 to ensure even phospher break-in (its a little dark but you get used to it). For the odd blue ray movie I'll switch to my 'Expert 1' settings. I also set the aspect ratio to "Cinema zoom x16" when watching anything with horizontal black bars and I keep the pixel orbiter on (ISM Method = Orbiter).

How do you access the orbiter function exactly? I can't find it.

Edit: Never mind, I found it.
Edited by Helpmelord - 6/18/12 at 9:17am
post #306 of 1288
Many tv's that are actually able to process and display a 24fps signal only allow you to turn on or off the function when it recieves that signal other tv's will automaticly engage the feature. Panasonics plasmas usually let you adjust the feature whenever but its 48hz feature is not a high enough hertz rate thus causing flicker, however Panasonics latest tv's have been able to handle 24fps in its normal 60hz setting quite well(although not perfect) and of course Panasonics 96hz works great. LG plasma tv's operate at 72hz when receiving a 24fps signal which is the same hertz level that the Pioneer Kuro used to process and display 24fps content.



*24p @ 4:4=96hz, 3:3=72hz, 3:2=60hz, 2:2=48hz
Edited by vigp17 - 6/22/12 at 1:00am
post #307 of 1288
The best PS3 video settings:
*(English or pref. language)

BD Menu Language :English

BD Audio Language: English

BD Subtitle Language: English

BD Internet Connection: Allow (Best for automatic Blu-ray firmwear updates)

DVD Menu Language:English

DVD Audio Language: English

DVD Subtitle Language: English

BD/DVD Cinema Conversion: Automatic (If you choose video, movies will look like a soap operas.)

DVD Wide Display: Pan and Scan or Letterbox (This only applies to 4:3 tv's, however If I still had a 4:3 tv I'd prefer Pan and Scan to not have letterbox bars.)

BD/DVD Upscaler: Full Screen or Normal (This only applies to dvd's, for the few Blu-ray's that are 4:3 you'll need to change the aspect ratio yourself using your tv's remote/universal remote. Some earlier dvd's were non-anamorphic widescreen or full screen and thus won't fill a 16:9 tv correctly. I prefer using the Full Screen setting so that these dvd's will automaticaly fill the screen properly, however if you would prefer to use your tv's aspect ratio modes use the Normal setting.)

BD/DVD Video Output Format(HDMI): Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr for HDTV's or RGB for PC Monitor's (There has been some confusion around what is effected by this setting(even at Cnet!). However, this setting DOES NOT apply to games and only to DVD's and Blu-ray movies. Which is why it is located in the video settings and not the game and/or display settings. The automatic setting is for those who switch between using a PC monitor and a HDTV with their PS3.)

1080p 24Hz Output(HDMI): On(Automatic doesn't always work correctly, Off if your display cannot properly handle a 24Hz signal)

BD/DVD Dynamic Range Control: Off (If left on will limit overall volume level of some audio during movie playback)

BD/DVD Audio Output Format(HDMI): Linear PCM (Causes the least audio issues and works with the most audio equipment)

BD Audio Output Format(OpticalDigital): Linear PCM (Causes the least audio issues and works with the most audio equipment)

HDD Content Audio Language: English

HDD Subtitle Language :English

Sequential Playback: Off

*While playing a DVD hit triangle go to the "AV Settings" icon they should be set as below-

Frame Noise Reduction: 3 (unavailable on Blu-ray)
Block Noise Reduction: 3 (unavailable on Blu-ray)
Mosquito Noise Reduction: 3 (unavailable on Blu-ray)
Upscale: Full (unavailable on Blu-ray)
Video Output Format: Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr for HDTV's or RGB for PC monitor's
Y Pb/Cb Pr/C Super White: On
RGB Full Range: Limited for displays with good black level or Full Range for displays with poor black level (Must be changed in the Video Output Settings)
Dynamic Range Control: Off
Edited by vigp17 - 7/6/12 at 6:01pm
post #308 of 1288
Best PS3 Game Settings:

PS Upscaler: Full Screen (Helps to better fill your whole display)
PS Smoothing: On (Helps reduce rough and/or jaggy lines on older downloaded games, only affects PS1/PS2/Mini games)

Best PS3 Music Settings:

Audio CD Import: AAC 128kbps
Crossfade Playback: Off
Output Frequeny: 44.1/88.2/176.4kHz (While this setting does output the best sound, you will no longer be able to press the Playstation button and select another music track while playing a song. If you would rather keep that fuctionality use 48kHz setting instead)
Bitmapping: Type 3 (Type 3 was designed especially for the PS3 and generally sounds the best)
Dynamic Normalizer: Off


Best PS3 System Settings:

Automatic update: On (Only applies to playstation Plus subscribers)
Notification Messages: Display or Do Not Display (Depends on Personal Preerence)
Display(What's New): On or Off (Depends on Personal Preference)
Disc Auto-Start: Off
(CEC) Control for HDMI: On or Off (Depends on Personal preference/needs, however this feature only applies to slim PS3's)

Best PS3 Date and Time Settings:

Set Automatically: On


Best PS3 Power Save Settings:

System Auto-Off: After 3 Hours
Controller Auto-Off :After 20 Minutes

Best PS3 Display Settings:

Video Output Settings: All that your dispay can support (Ideally 480p/720p/1080i/1080p)
Screensaver: After 5 Minutes for plasma tv's... After 10 minutes for LCD/LED, CRT, and Projection tv's
Cross Color Reduction Filter: On or Off (Only applies when/if using composite/s-video cable)
RGB Full Range(HDMI): Limited if your display has a good black level or Full Range if your display has a poor black level (I personally use Limited on my plasma tv)
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White(HDMI): On (Almost no consumer content is shot/made in wide color space(besides calibration discs), however I leave it on as it does no harm.)
Deep Color Output(HDMI): Automatic (Again almost no consumer content is shot/made using deep color, however I leave it on Automatic as it does no harm.)

Best PS3 Sound Settings:

Audio Output Settings: All formats your connected audio equipment can support
Audio Multi-Output: On or Off depending on your needs (Most likely Off unless your using an HDMI to DVI cable and also need to output stereo audio)
Key Tone: On or Off (Depends on your personal preference)
Edited by vigp17 - 6/22/12 at 2:15am
post #309 of 1288
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Originally Posted by wallijonn View Post

Perhaps (other than the PA6500 has two component inputs) but what's the lowest price you have seen on the 60PA5500? .

I can confirm my 60PA5500 has 2 component inputs. I believe the website is incorrect.

I purchased my 60PA5500 for $799 from my local Fry's Electronics (San Jose, CA.)
post #310 of 1288
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Originally Posted by travbedaman View Post

Im not at home for a few days so I cant verify, but I believe one or a few of the picture modes grey that out, try another picture mode if you havent already.

Hmm, I've tried all the picture modes, but no joy. Still just greyed out and set to auto.
post #311 of 1288
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Originally Posted by Shotgun Si View Post

I can confirm my 60PA5500 has 2 component inputs. I believe the website is incorrect.
I purchased my 60PA5500 for $799 from my local Fry's Electronics (San Jose, CA.)

I couldn't find the PA5500 anywhere (in France), only the PA6500 was available.
I paid it about the same price as your 60 (and it's a 50).

The 60PA6500 was about 1000$ (cheapest I could find).
post #312 of 1288
lowest Price in France should be 580€
(price I bought the 50PA6500 at) smile.gif
post #313 of 1288
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shotgun Si 
I can confirm my 60PA5500 has 2 component inputs. I believe the website is incorrect.
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-60PA5500-plasma-tv shows 1 component input. If LG's website is wrong then that begs the question as to what the differences are.
Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan47 
How do you set the TV to 24 FPS?
Set "Film Mode" in Expert settings.

If you set the PS3 to 24 fps when it gets powered on the TV should automatically switch to Film Mode. But you can then also turn it off in the TV, which means that the PS3 will output in 24 fps and the TV may be trying 60 HZ (3:2 pulldown).

Saw a little judder in first 60 seconds of "Immortals" - Titans are in cage and there's a slow pan to the left.

Also "the Chase" chapter in "I Robot". Makes me wonder if it's not in the actual movie. Turning 24 fps off on both the PS3 and 6500 had some effect but it did not completely eliminate it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vigp17 
Video Output Format: Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr for HDTV's or RGB for PC monitor's
Y Pb/Cb Pr/C Super White: On
I always thought that those were just component inputs. Hopefully the 6500 can do 0-255 (Super White) instead of just 16-235.
Quote:
LG plasma tv's operate at 72hz when receiving a 24fps signal which is the same hertz level that the Pioneer Kuro used to process and display 24fps content.
Where did you read that? I, obviously, cannot find it anywhere on the LG site. I certainly hope that it is true.

Well, I guess you're right. As a gamer I set it to RGB.
Quote:
This setting affects the color space output via the PS3. RGB is best for video games, which use the same color spce as computers, while Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr is best for video, including DVD and Blu-ray discs. Auto usually works to detect the source properly, so we recommend most people stick with this setting. If you experience discoloration or other issues, try another setting.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10022389-1.html
Edited by wallijonn - 6/21/12 at 8:40pm
post #314 of 1288
I just picked the 60PA6550 up earlier today from Costco. So far, I am really liking it. This break-in thing is a little weird to me (first plasma) but nothing that can't be handled easily.
I bought an LG 55LM7600 a couple of weeks ago, saw it for a lot cheaper and the price-match guarantee the store had that I bought from didn't seem to apply anymore so it was time for a return (a $300 difference is a lot of money!).
The loss of 3D isn't really a big deal, my kids despise having to wear the glasses and I don't see us really watching that many 3d films anyway. I'll save that for a future projector setup perhaps.
Sure is nice to NOT see lighting around the edges (even if it was pretty minor on the 7600, still annoying during a dark scene).

Anyway, so far pretty happy with the tv. Glare is a little less than the 7600 was so far. I'll see how that changes tomorrow afternoon (for better or worse).
Oh and this TV being about $700 less and 60" over 55" is nice too.

edit: Now I need to pick a new receiver and sub so I can plug everything back in and ENJOY some sweet, sweet bluray action.


edit 2: Is it possible to get TV input/options over HDMI? I want to be able to hit the info button and see the channel info but I can't seem to figure out how to do it (if even possible). My digital box is connected, obviously, via HDMI instead of coaxial.
Edited by domoMKIV - 6/22/12 at 12:25am
post #315 of 1288
Hmm, seeing some pretty crazy juddering during a few commercials. I'll have to check other inputs though to make sure its not just due to the digital cable box.
post #316 of 1288
Found out that the reason why the XBox360 looked dark is because the ECO setting was still on. I surmise that they have to be turned off for Off/Cinema/Game.

72HZ: http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/115980-all-2011-lg-plasmas-using-feature-use-exclusive-pioneer-plasmas.html
Edited by wallijonn - 6/22/12 at 8:44pm
post #317 of 1288
Quote:
Originally Posted by domoMKIV View Post

Hmm, seeing some pretty crazy juddering during a few commercials. I'll have to check other inputs though to make sure its not just due to the digital cable box.

First try rabbit ears.
post #318 of 1288
For what it's worth gang, re: the 50PA5500 VS 50PA6500, I asked my friend who works at Geeksquad to check the part numbers on the panels to see if they were the same, and they are.

"Manufacturer LGE
Part Number EAJ61908604
Description 50 INCH_FHD PDP MODULE

List $558.06"

i do not have the part number handy but i checked myself on partsearch.com etc and the "main board" is listed as the same between them.

So unless there is something I can't find, besides the "extra" Component in that may even be included on the 5500, they are the same TV...

I am going to pick up my 50PA5500 in a few minutes, hope to see a pretty big upgrade over my old trusty Toshiba DLP which I was able to sell recently.
post #319 of 1288
Ok , Iam not new to plasma's and looking to upgrade to a 50" for the bedroom (budget minded) . Ive had my eye on the three listed below :

LG 50PA5500 = $650 (current price)
LG 50PA6500 = $750 (current price)
Samsung PN51E30 = $750 (current price)

Current in house Samsung 42" 2-1/2 yrs old and Panasonic 42" 4+yrs old (and familiar with a Samsung 63" 2011 model that my brother owns) . My experience has been positive (but not perfect) with Samsungs , and the Panasonic was our first plasma and I was never really that impressed with it from the start even when new (maybe due to its age and older plasma tech).I have been very happy with Samsung's picture (even though it was a 720p) , but my Samsung B450 did eventually get the pick and green on screen , although not too badly) , and my brothers 63" looks stunning (although it was a direct/warranty/upgrade replacement for his Samsung 2010 model that had the buzz power supply and the pink and green screen)

With the above in mind , this time Iam looking into an LG (as my niece has a 2yr old 50" LG plasma that been problem free). Ive done my homework on both 5500 and 6500 (and I also called LG) , finding both models to be the same(?) give or take a possible added input difference ; with a "possible" some people finding a better black level(? but not truly proven) on the 6500 .

I do like my past experience with Samsung picture quality , but also found recent complaints about premature screen glass cracking due to the glass being too thin in this years models (which is kinda scaring me away at this time) .

So right now the LG pa5500 seems to be the way to go price point wise (with alot of happy customer reviews) , but with some complaints about heavier dithering or blocking ( and/or maybe not as good visually compared to the equal new model (E530) Samsung (by some user comments) .

The only place in my area that even has a decent amount of plasmas on display is PaulsTV and Ive compared the differant models memtioned , but thier input source on thier display's is not the greatest and still making it hard to do a quality comparison .

I know there is minor good and bad points in brand differances , but any added comments would be apperciated.

I too am somewhat on a time restraint before the prices change back to full retail . Iam committed to buying from Dell now due to a promotion the had a week ago where as Ive purchased a $400 gift cacd and receive an added $75 gift card for free ( making the end prices mentioned above even better).

Iam more than willing to give the newer model LG a try (and kinda looking forward to it) . Again , any added comments before I pull the trigger on a PA5500 would be highly appreciated (but still slightly thinking Samsung in the back of my mind tongue.gif ) , as I'd perfer to do this 50" purchase only once , and as this tv will have to do me for about the next 3-4 yrs . Source material will be FIOS HD and alot of heavy Bluray movies (from a Panny BD85)

TIA wink.gif
Edited by stereo55 - 6/23/12 at 2:13pm
post #320 of 1288
Quote:
Originally Posted by stereo55 View Post

Ok , Iam not new to plasma's and looking to upgrade to a 50" for the bedroom (budget minded) . Ive had my eye on the three listed below :
LG 50PA5500 = $650 (current price)
LG 50PA6500 = $750 (current price)
Samsung PN51E30 = $750 (current price)
Current in house Samsung 42" 2-1/2 yrs old and Panasonic 42" 4+yrs old (and familiar with a Samsung 63" 2011 model that my brother owns) . My experience has been positive (but not perfect) with Samsungs , and the Panasonic was our first plasma and I was never really that impressed with it from the start even when new (maybe due to its age and older plasma tech).I have been very happy with Samsung's picture (even though it was a 720p) , but my Samsung B450 did eventually get the pick and green on screen , although not too badly) , and my brothers 63" looks stunning (although it was a direct/warranty/upgrade replacement for his Samsung 2010 model that had the buzz power supply and the pink and green screen)
With the above in mind , this time Iam looking into an LG (as my niece has a 2yr old 50" LG plasma that been problem free). Ive done my homework on both 5500 and 6500 (and I also called LG) , finding both models to be the same(?) give or take a possible added input difference ; with a "possible" some people finding a better black level(? but not truly proven) on the 6500 .
I do like my past experience with Samsung picture quality , but also found recent complaints about premature screen glass cracking due to the glass being too thin in this years models (which is kinda scaring me away at this time) .
So right now the LG pa5500 seems to be the way to go price point wise (with alot of happy customer reviews) , but with some complaints about heavier dithering or blocking ( and/or maybe not as good visually compared to the equal new model (E530) Samsung (by some user comments) .
The only place in my area that even has a decent amount of plasmas on display is PaulsTV and Ive compared the differant models memtioned , but thier input source on thier display's is not the greatest and still making it hard to do a quality comparison .
I know there is minor good and bad points in brand differances , but any added comments would be apperciated.
I too am somewhat on a time restraint before the prices change back to full retail . Iam committed to buying from Dell now due to a promotion the had a week ago where as Ive purchased a $400 gift cacd and receive an added $75 gift card for free ( making the end prices mentioned above even better).
Iam more than willing to give the newer model LG a try (and kinda looking forward to it) . Again , any added comments before I pull the trigger on a PA5500 would be highly appreciated (but still slightly thinking Samsung in the back of my mind tongue.gif ) , as I'd perfer to do this 50" purchase only once , and as this tv will have to do me for about the next 3-4 yrs . Source material will be FIOS HD and alot of heavy Bluray movies (from a Panny BD85)
TIA wink.gif
I have the LG60PA6500 and two older Sammy plasmas. I bought the 60PA6500 because of it's width, which was about 1/5" less than the equivalent Sammy. It was an issue since it was going INSIDE a converted double closet to entertainment center. I am not at all unhappy with the LG. But, had it not been for the space limitation, I would have gone Sammy. They just have better flesh tone, IMO.
post #321 of 1288
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Originally Posted by KAB53 View Post

I have the LG60PA6500 and two older Sammy plasmas. I bought the 60PA6500 because of it's width, which was about 1/5" less than the equivalent Sammy. It was an issue since it was going INSIDE a converted double closet to entertainment center. I am not at all unhappy with the LG. But, had it not been for the space limitation, I would have gone Sammy. They just have better flesh tone, IMO.

From what I can read around, LG has the best flesh tone.
Samsungs colors are often too "flashy".
post #322 of 1288
How do I center the screen for the PC connection only? When playing my Xbox connected via the PC connection, the screen is off center. Thanks!
post #323 of 1288
GO into Game Mode, make sure Film Mode is turned off, Set Just Scan, set output to RGB ? I think Game mode should change over to RGB automatically but you may have to set it in the XBox.
post #324 of 1288
Question for anyone who looked at the 60PA6500 vs the LG 60PM6700:

Are the sets the same, minus 3D, Smart TV and an HDMI input? If not, what's the difference? A comparison on LG's site didn't reveal much. Motion blur and blu-ray PQ are more important than price to me. Thanks.

ETA: Seems they are. A call to LG and another member here confirmed that.
Edited by HTtom - 6/27/12 at 2:19pm
post #325 of 1288
Does anybody measured black level (cd/m2 or fL) in PA6500 ??
Edited by Kadajo - 6/28/12 at 1:53pm
post #326 of 1288
All -

I just posted this in the main Plasma thread but realize I should have posted it here. Apologies.

I have the new 1080p Apple TV hooked to our new LG PA6550 via HDMI. Apple TV output is set to "Auto" and the 6550 reads the signal as 1080/60p. I have the TV settings as Expert 2 calibrated according to the numbers posted here, and it looks great except on certain panning sequences. Saw this on both 720p streamed content from iTunes and Netflix HD streamed content ("Thor" if you must know). Nothing major, and I think I'm the only one who sees it, but it's there.

Ideas for how to minimize via settings? I have 15Mbps down and the Apple TV wired into the router so it's not a streaming issue.

Thanks!
post #327 of 1288
Quote:
Originally Posted by mwmosser View Post

All -
I just posted this in the main Plasma thread but realize I should have posted it here. Apologies.
I have the new 1080p Apple TV hooked to our new LG PA6550 via HDMI. Apple TV output is set to "Auto" and the 6550 reads the signal as 1080/60p. I have the TV settings as Expert 2 calibrated according to the numbers posted here, and it looks great except on certain panning sequences. Saw this on both 720p streamed content from iTunes and Netflix HD streamed content ("Thor" if you must know). Nothing major, and I think I'm the only one who sees it, but it's there.
Ideas for how to minimize via settings? I have 15Mbps down and the Apple TV wired into the router so it's not a streaming issue.
Thanks!

You need a media streamer that can output 24p from netflix for smooth panning.
post #328 of 1288
Thanks. I did some more testing with other media last night, and it's definitely a Netflix issue (which I am sure is exacerbated by Apple's notoriously closed system keeping Netflix from making its streams more efficient). HD movies bought from the iTunes store don't lag on panning shots, as I noticed last night in the opening scene of Hugo (a long tracking camera shot through the Paris train station). So it's a Netflix thing. Oh well.
post #329 of 1288
Has anyone noticed any "color flicker" with these new lg plamas? I returned a 60pv400 last year with this problem. So far no one seems to complain about it.
post #330 of 1288
After watching a movie I will set the "Colour Wash" alternating boxes to get rid of any IR - usually when I take a break or walk away from the TV set for more than a minute or two.

Any one else?
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