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post #511 of 1288
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Originally Posted by juanej View Post

So I'm noticing some kind of ghosting on whites and light greens from the 20 color images from the break-in zip I downloaded, It has been 2 days now ON showing the 20 colors and they're still there, it could be some dust, but if i try hard to look at it I see some kind of vertical line on the 1/4 of the tv from left to right (could be because of that left banner shown in store mode?)
Is there any way to see how many hours the tv has been on, the box wasn't totally sealled when they gave it to me so I'm starting to think maybe they gave me one who was on exhibition?

Settings / Red button with single white dot / Product/Service Info
post #512 of 1288
As mentioned before: Depress the Settings & Red buttons at the same time.
post #513 of 1288
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Originally Posted by FernandoRocker View Post

I didn't get a CD...
But the information is installed on the TV.

Update... the CD that I was thinking about did in fact come with the television and contains the user manual.
post #514 of 1288
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Originally Posted by juanej View Post

So I'm noticing some kind of ghosting on whites and light greens from the 20 color images from the break-in zip I downloaded, It has been 2 days now ON showing the 20 colors and they're still there, it could be some dust, but if i try hard to look at it I see some kind of vertical line on the 1/4 of the tv from left to right (could be because of that left banner shown in store mode?)
Is there any way to see how many hours the tv has been on, the box wasn't totally sealled when they gave it to me so I'm starting to think maybe they gave me one who was on exhibition?

Did you download break in "images" or just the flat color slides like most people use?
post #515 of 1288
Just be careful about not taking it easy on break in period... The warranty explicitly excludes damage by permanent image burn-in. I recommend not being cavalier about this. I took it easy and then calibrated and am very impressed with the picture. The blacks are great! Color rendition is the best I've seen. Grass at the Olympic Stadium looks naturally green and not neon-green as it can on some LCD sets. Reds are red and not fluorescent. The heat it gives off is nominal. I like that the frame is almost invisible.

As a good test for black levels, try looking at an episode of Through the Worm Hole with Morgan Freeman. The set is black and there is a key light on one side of his face. On the set you can see details on the shadow side of his black jacket. I wish I could put this set side-by-side with my old Sony Wega 55" 3LCD projection system just to compare how this scene looks.
post #516 of 1288
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Originally Posted by Builder 2010 View Post

... Just be careful about not taking it easy on break in period... The warranty explicitly excludes damage by permanent image burn-in. I recommend not being cavalier about this. I took it easy and then calibrated and am very impressed with the picture. The blacks are great! Color rendition is the best I've seen. Grass at the Olympic Stadium looks naturally green and not neon-green as it can on some LCD sets. Reds are red and not fluorescent. The heat it gives off is nominal. I like that the frame is almost invisible.
As a good test for black levels, try looking at an episode of Through the Worm Hole with Morgan Freeman. The set is black and there is a key light on one side of his face. .

I concur.

Great advise.
post #517 of 1288
Just a reminder...

Guys, please, don't go for a more expensive model with Smart TV capabilities. It is not worth the extra money. The smart functionality on TV's is very bad... very slow, sluggish. You guys better buy an Apple TV 3. It is only $99, it has 1080p with iTunes integration for movie rentals, Netflix, Vimeo, YouTube, WSJ, MLB, NHL, radio, etc... plus, it is so small that you can put it behind the TV and it will be unnoticeable.

Plus, you will get updates way more often.

Just take my advise.

I returned two weeks ago the LG 42LM6200 Smart TV. It was $780 on Amazon. It was slow, unresponsive and the black levels were awful. Plus, the Magic Remote is a pain in the ass.

Then, with the refund, I bought the the 50LP6500 for $700 at Amazon + Apple TV 3 for $100. That's $800... just $20 more than the previous set, but this set is way way better. Not only is bigger, but the frame is nicer (very thin), the black levels are gorgeous and the color is excellent.

I just want people to avoid the same mistake I did at first.
post #518 of 1288
Hi All;

Recently bought the LG 50PA6500.
I've tried many of the calibration settings posted on tjhis thread..but I still have a problem with facial skin tones.....they are too pink.

My standard for good facial tones is my 27" CRT. Its facial tones are more tan/orangish which looks more natural to me. The lg's facial skin tones are too pinkish.

I would appreciate any advise as to how to manipulate the calibration settings to get a more tan/orangish facial skin tone.
post #519 of 1288
First thing you want to do is set the Brightness to 50, then set to User/Off and run the Wizard II. Hopefully it won't save them to Expert Settings 1 or 2. If it does, copy the settings from E1 or E2 to the Standard/Off settings making sure that you turn off Edge Enhancement and Dynamic Contrast. Now re-run Wizard II. Don't be surprised if you end up with something like Brightness 43 and Green +8. (I'll check my broadcast settings tonight and post them).
post #520 of 1288
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Originally Posted by ocellaris View Post

Did you download break in "images" or just the flat color slides like most people use?

20 jpg on a zip called BreakIn_Images
post #521 of 1288
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Originally Posted by wallijonn View Post

First thing you want to do is set the Brightness to 50, then set to User/Off and run the Wizard II. Hopefully it won't save them to Expert Settings 1 or 2. If it does, copy the settings from E1 or E2 to the Standard/Off settings making sure that you turn off Edge Enhancement and Dynamic Contrast. Now re-run Wizard II. Don't be surprised if you end up with something like Brightness 43 and Green +8. (I'll check my broadcast settings tonight and post them).

Tonight is calibration night for my set. I left the slide show running this morning with 98 hours of useage showing. I have the Disney WOW disc for calibration but I understand from reading after the purchase that the Wizard II settings wind up being almost identical. I guess I could have saved myself some $.
post #522 of 1288
The 60PA6500 allows the Wizard II to be run separately on each input. When watching DTV and you run the Wizard Ii it will save its setting in 'Expert 1' (E1) so long as you only select the settings to be applied to the DTV input via the 'Fav' button (do NOT apply to 'All Inputs').

My DTV settings:
Contrast 93
Brightness 50
H Sharpness 27
V Sharpness 10
Colour 51
Tint R10

A good test, I find, is the TV show "TMZ," so long as it is being broadcast at 1080i and it's a strong signal (naturally).

I still suspect that the Wizard II has some hidden settings, perhaps the Black Level being set to 'Auto'?, because just turning off Dynamic Contrast and Edge Enhancement does not give the same picture as manually entering the same values from Wizard II result.

I would like someone to set their set to 20 Point IRE and then run the Wizard II and see if the picture is different than if he runs the Wizard II with 2 Point IRE (and re-setting the values on the second to the first settings.)

Regarding 'The Mummy' (1999) at 1:30:34 - changing sharpness did indeed change the sand artifacts. I found HS 9 / VH 9 (Horizontal and Vertical Sharpness) to give an acceptable picture while keeping Evelyn's face at 34:14 natural looking (from 15/9 H/V Sharpness).

BD, HDMI1:
Contrast 92
Brightness 48
HS 9
VS 9
Colour 59
Tint R7

still produced a beautiful picture while watching "The Priest". No Black Crush was visible and the blacks looked nice and deep.

Anyone want to volunteer to see if they can set their DTV input to Day on Expert 1 and Night on Expert 2? You'd have to try it two ways: 1] Set to 'Off' (instead of Cinema, Game E1 or E2), run the Wizard II, which should save to E1 and then re-run the Wizard II while 'Off' is selected and when E1 is selected. I'd like to know if it re-sets E1 when E1 is selected or if it re-writes it to E2.
post #523 of 1288
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Originally Posted by FernandoRocker View Post

Just a reminder...
Guys, please, don't go for a more expensive model with Smart TV capabilities. It is not worth the extra money. The smart functionality on TV's is very bad... very slow, sluggish.

I will second this comment. Luckilly, I needed a blu-ray player as well so I purchased one of those with the Smart TV wi-fi. The wi-fi enabled blu-ray players don't demand the premium that the TV's do... and I'm glad that I went that route.

I have not tried streaming video on it yet but the loaded apps outside of video streaming are slow, clunky and pointless.

Don't buy into the hype just yet..
post #524 of 1288
While the WOW disc may seem redundant, some of the imagery on it is spectacular and really shows what the TV can do. That's reason enough to have it... to show the TV off to your friends.
post #525 of 1288
Can anyone tell me whether or not the image retention I see on the blacks of end credits and whatnot will lessen as I get through my burn in period. Within a second or two, the words will burn in temporarily but go away soon. Same with menu screens and whatnot. Still kind of annoying and would like to see it gone asap.
post #526 of 1288
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Originally Posted by Builder 2010 View Post

some of the imagery on it is spectacular and really shows what the TV can do. That's reason enough to have it... to show the TV off to your friends.

Woah.... you aren't lying. Some of that imagery on the second disc is breathtaking. Those waterfall scenes seem as though you could walk right into the picture (and that my living room is soon going to flood). eek.gif
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Originally Posted by comicnerd83 View Post

Can anyone tell me whether or not the image retention I see on the blacks of end credits and whatnot will lessen as I get through my burn in period. Within a second or two, the words will burn in temporarily but go away soon. Same with menu screens and whatnot. Still kind of annoying and would like to see it gone asap.

I noticed that too during the earlier phases of break in but I have not noticed any tonight.
post #527 of 1288
Another question. I am fairly new to calibrating HD imagery and whatnot, but I notice that upon close inspection, my plasma screen has a weird greenish grain to all of the picture except for the deep black portions of the screen, usually at the top. Will calibrating the TV fix that once I pass my burn in period? Or is that just the norm for plasmas? I don't feel that it really hurts the picture much. It's sharp as hell, even not calibrated completely. I have noticed the difference between the blacks and greenish grain near the top of the picture the few times I watched wide screen movies with black bars at top and bottom. Of course, since reading about burn in periods, I quit doing that til its done.
post #528 of 1288
It's not always a greenish grain. Usually is, but its occasionally reddish. The degree of it has changed depending on if I adjust the picture mode from standard, cinema, game. So I am figuring that once I calibrate the TV fully, I wont notice it really?
post #529 of 1288
Just to be clear, though, I only notice the "grain" when I am really close to TV. Except for where I noted with the black bars.
post #530 of 1288
I got my 60PA6550 at Costco a couple of weeks ago for $899 and the extended warranty for $59 for a total of 5 years. My HDTV history started with my Panasonic 50" S1 1080P almost three years ago. I do a fair amount of 360 and PS3 gaming, so when it came time to move the Panasonic upstairs to my bedroom, I decided to try the LED route and bought the Panasonic L55E54 from Costco. It took about three weeks before I threw in the towel and exchanged it for the LG Plasma. It had a nice picture for LED, but I just couldn't go from the great plasma viewing angles and perfect picture to LED and remain content. The flashlighting, clouding, and poor SD picture just killed it for me. Not to mention, there was a serious lip sync issue, particularly on hi-def channels. I knew it was a problem with the processing in the set itself, because I don't even have a cable box, the coaxial just routes directly into the television.

I have 145 hours on the LG with the first 108 being strictly D-Nice's 120 1080p color slides with the same settings I used on the Panasonic set 3,800 hours ago - Vivid - Contrast 100%, Brightness 55%, Color 65, Sharpness 50%, etc. That's how I broke in the Panasonic and I have yet to experience anything other than temporary image retention even after some crazy long gaming sessions. There are some things I really like about the LG over the Panasonic - slim frame, as good or better audio, and an orbiter that I can actually see moving the screen. I'm still taking it easy on any static images, but those that I have thrown at the LG for 20-30 minutes here and there haven't left a hint of IR, which is a better place than the Panasonic was at with a comparable number of hours on it. I also really the variety of options that LG allows you to tweak. The Panasonic is pretty deficient in this area. Also, the only color temperature setting that I really like on the Panasonic is "Cool", as it makes the whites white and the sky, for instance, a true blue, compared to the "dingier" appearance of the normal and warm settings. I've found that to achieve this same look on the LG as the Panasonic, I've had to use the standard or game picture modes and set the color temp to "C40". Anything higher and the screen leans towards the blue side of the spectrum, but at this level all of the traits that I've come to appreciate on the Panasonic's cool setting I now have on the LG. My girlfriend commented right away how much better the shows we watch began to look after making all of my changes.

I do have one question for the person that bricked his set with the firmware update. . . What keys did you have to press to initiate the update? I have tried putting the "epk" firmware file on a Corsair USB stick by itself in both FAT32 and NTFS formats, as well as creating an "LG_DTV" folder and putting it in there, but when the set's powered on, nothing ever initiates. I called LG and the girl I spoke with had no additional info. She just told me to try another USB stick - a lot of good that did me. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated. She confirmed that the 03.01.06 update is newer than my 03.19.05 firmware.
post #531 of 1288
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Originally Posted by comicnerd83 View Post

Another question. I am fairly new to calibrating HD imagery and whatnot, but I notice that upon close inspection, my plasma screen has a weird greenish grain to all of the picture except for the deep black portions of the screen, usually at the top. Will calibrating the TV fix that once I pass my burn in period? Or is that just the norm for plasmas? I don't feel that it really hurts the picture much. It's sharp as hell, even not calibrated completely. I have noticed the difference between the blacks and greenish grain near the top of the picture the few times I watched wide screen movies with black bars at top and bottom. Of course, since reading about burn in periods, I quit doing that til its done.

It's not always a greenish grain. Usually is, but its occasionally reddish. The degree of it has changed depending on if I adjust the picture mode from standard, cinema, game. So I am figuring that once I calibrate the TV fully, I wont notice it really?

Just to be clear, though, I only notice the "grain" when I am really close to TV. Except for where I noted with the black bars.

I don't have any areas of my screen that show color when they should show black but I wouldn't worry about it too much until a calibration is done.
post #532 of 1288
this tv is so good, i actually see the compression artifacts on my CATV. Never saw that before. Watching olympic soccer on NBC Sports HD and its obvious Brighthouse compresses this feed more than the broadcast NBC - fast action has artifacts big time - why? the tv is showing the EXACT picture, and what's generated is not true 720p, let alone 1080p - too many compressions/decompressions along the way to my TV. This TV shows EVERYTHING (good or bad) - put in a Blu Ray and it will blow your mind.
post #533 of 1288
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Originally Posted by Bryan Sanders View Post

I do have one question for the person that bricked his set with the firmware update. . . What keys did you have to press to initiate the update? I have tried putting the "epk" firmware file on a Corsair USB stick by itself in both FAT32 and NTFS formats, as well as creating an "LG_DTV" folder and putting it in there, but when the set's powered on, nothing ever initiates. I called LG and the girl I spoke with had no additional info. She just told me to try another USB stick - a lot of good that did me. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated. She confirmed that the 03.01.06 update is newer than my 03.19.05 firmware.

Can your TV read image files off the thumb drive? If the problem is the drive, it would show up as blank when you try viewing the contents on the TV.
post #534 of 1288
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Originally Posted by comicnerd83 View Post

Can anyone tell me whether or not the image retention I see on the blacks of end credits and whatnot will lessen as I get through my burn in period. Within a second or two, the words will burn in temporarily but go away soon. Same with menu screens and whatnot. Still kind of annoying and would like to see it gone asap.

If it's gone in a second or two - learn to live with it. Or get an LCD or LED tv. Try turning down your contrast - does it lessen? Your brightness shouldn't be over 50, does it lessen with lower brightness? Turn off Dynamic Contrast.
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I only notice the "grain" when I am really close to TV.
Grain or dithering? If it's dithering your brightness is too high. It's it's grain - you're too close or it's in the source. Turn down the sharpness. If it's blocking or smudging - it's probably the source.
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my plasma screen has a weird greenish grain to all of the picture except for the deep black portions of the screen, usually at the top.

Yep - sounds like your brightness is too high. Insert a BD movie with top and bottom black bars. Let it play normally and adjust the brightness. The green dithering will go away at some point - that's your max brightness. On the 60 PA6500 it should be at 48 - 50. At 51 you should see green dithering (noise).
Edited by wallijonn - 8/9/12 at 3:32pm
post #535 of 1288
Hey Guys, I'm planning on picking this TV up at Costco in the morning. I don't know a whole lot about all this stuff, but have been intensively researching during the last week. I basically have decided on this, although it's tempting to lay down more $$$ (double..?) for the PN60E7000.. We have an old 42" LG 720 plasma now that's actually been pretty good for us, so I figure the 60PA6500 will work fine. My main concern is glare, but I guess it can't be any worse then our current LG, right?

Any other last minute suggestions? I've kinda given up, read too much and made my mind up, but I figure I'll see what you guys think..
post #536 of 1288
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Originally Posted by stl717 View Post

Hey Guys, I'm planning on picking this TV up at Costco in the morning. I don't know a whole lot about all this stuff, but have been intensively researching during the last week. I basically have decided on this, although it's tempting to lay down more $$$ (double..?) for the PN60E7000.. We have an old 42" LG 720 plasma now that's actually been pretty good for us, so I figure the 60PA6500 will work fine. My main concern is glare, but I guess it can't be any worse then our current LG, right?
Any other last minute suggestions? I've kinda given up, read too much and made my mind up, but I figure I'll see what you guys think..

To me how bad the glare is in the afternoon daylight depends on the material you are watching.

If you are watching Aliens or Tron, yeah you will see your reflection in the set. If you are watching something animated like Akira or a show like The Big Bang Theory you will not notice it unless you look for it.

At night when the sun goes down and you turn off the lights you will not notice any glare no matter what you watch.
post #537 of 1288
I am starting to run a slide show I downloaded to speed up the break in process. I also read that it helps even out the picture break in since the slides are the same color solid across the whole screen. Has anyone here done the slide show? I have the slide show on fast speed, but might slow it down to medium
post #538 of 1288
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Originally Posted by comicnerd83 View Post

I am starting to run a slide show I downloaded to speed up the break in process. I also read that it helps even out the picture break in since the slides are the same color solid across the whole screen. Has anyone here done the slide show? I have the slide show on fast speed, but might slow it down to medium

Currently on my 100 and something hour doing a slideshow of 20 pictures on slow
post #539 of 1288
Yes, as mentioned, I ran 108 hours of slides with the USB drive in question. No problem reading from it at all. The firmware file doesn't show up at any point. The poster that bricked his set said that there was a keypress that initiated the update. I'd like to try it as 03.01.06 is supposed to improve the appearance of 480i sources.
post #540 of 1288
Run your Slideshow on slow speed and the best one out there was posted on a Panasonic forum a while back with 120 full screen 1080p slides of all colors. The more of your initial viewing that you can allocate to slides, the better. It provides a completely even aging of the phosphors. Per D-Nice's advice, setting the photo video setting to Vivid with contrast @ 100, brightness at 55, color at 65, sharpness at 25, tint at 0, and energy saving off. ONLY use these settings for slides, not for normal viewing of any other type of content.
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