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post #31 of 537
Wow, nice news then...
About the 450, too bad that doesn't have wifi built-in, most of their concurrent today have this feature... If I get the 450 I definitely have to buy another switch (another expense...)
Two questions, does the 450 will come in-built memory for the BD Live ?!? (does the 440 come with this?)
About the Qdeo video processing, any thoughts how will it compare in terms of performance and PQ with other BD models??!

And what about prices?!? Can we say that probably this will come with similar prices of the 440 (when was out of course)??
post #32 of 537
some BDP-450 pics
2012-07-11-Pioneer-BDP-450.jpg
BDP-450_EUNAGA_L@120511@L.jpg
the link for a better quality pic http://wellcom.fr/presse/pioneer/files/2012/07/BDP-450_EUNAGA_L@120511@L.jpg wink.gif
post #33 of 537
strange there´s still no track/chapter displayed...just like BDP-440 after 10 months since its release and FW update promised months ago:D
nevertheless, I´m guessing the BDP-450 could be a really good universal player, if Pioneer took their time and fixed some catastrophic bugs of the 2011 BDPs...like the pathetic remote controls/sensors, pretty frequent freezing at most conditions (DLNA searching/media playing, USB sticks plugging in/out...., open/close mechanism issues, inability to play some discs/media properly without initial reboot, etc...
If they stick to quality Marvell chip integration with proper adjustments and keep their words about high-grade audio parts, 32-bit/192 KHz DAC and PROPER remote operation at a reasonable price (up to 300 EUR), I´m in...
post #34 of 537
it's better wait the pro reviews wink.gif
post #35 of 537
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Originally Posted by onesolo View Post

... And what about prices?!? Can we say that probably this will come with similar prices of the 440 (when was out of course)??
Yes, at least in Europe it will have the same MSRP of 299 Euros as the 440 last year.
post #36 of 537
Elite entry model will be 62FD, instead of 61FD. May want to change the thread title.
post #37 of 537
the BDP-150 in Silver

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0o1G5vdKduFMxYPw1pnlLru2cbR0sNcfzQs2vZ0c7s9b6CKmHKOpPE8PHpQ
post #38 of 537
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Originally Posted by realzven View Post

the BDP-150 in Silver
images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0o1G5vdKduFMxYPw1pnlLru2cbR0sNcfzQs2vZ0c7s9b6CKmHKOpPE8PHpQ


Gross...
post #39 of 537
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Originally Posted by realzven View Post

the BDP-150 in Silver

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0o1G5vdKduFMxYPw1pnlLru2cbR0sNcfzQs2vZ0c7s9b6CKmHKOpPE8PHpQ

Love it!!biggrin.gif
post #40 of 537
It's already on pre-sale on some stores in germany http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/3488286_-bdp-450-pioneer.html and on uk...
It starts on €300, hopefully more stores will sell it and the prices come down a bit...

Need to see some reviews to make my mind
post #41 of 537
Don't believe for a second that Pioneer BD players are designed in-house. In order to do so, they will need to have an in-house R&D team... which they don't have. It's still TCL based that are used by various manufacturers. Don't get me wrong, I love my BDP-53. But at this day an age, not including wifi dongle for their asking price of $499 MSRP (and this goes to other brands too) is pathetic.

The new BDP-62 is identical to the current BDP-53 with the exception of Sound Retriever Link which is essentially an HDMI CEC command to tell your 6-series receiver to turn on Sound Retriever when a lossy codec is being played

PS: based on Pioneer Japan site, the new BD players can no longer play PAL and 1989/50i discs frown.gif
post #42 of 537
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

The new BDP-62 is identical to the current BDP-53 with the exception of Sound Retriever Link

No more 480i/576i support.
Added 3GP and FLV file support.

Also it now says in the US 62FD manual that digital output can output 2CH PCM from SACD(DSD). My 140 can and I think the Elites from last year too but no mention in the manuals so this is the first time it is official in writing.
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

PS: based on Pioneer Japan site, the new BD players can no longer play PAL and 1989/50i discs frown.gif

But the US 62FD manual says there is a 50Hz indicator on the front panel and you can select 576p output resolution.
post #43 of 537
Will the 62 have built-in wifi or we still have to pay yet another $80 for their monstrously oversized dongle?
post #44 of 537
According to the manual, separately sold. The 62FD at USD399 is $100 cheaper than the 53FD so think of it as an allowance towards the dongle.
post #45 of 537
Thanks for the info. I guess due to the lack of improvements I'd stay with my BDP-53.

I was hoping that they upgraded the upscaler to K2H and/or wicked 2D-3D conversion.
post #46 of 537
Here is a review of the 450
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2012/pioneer_bdp450.shtml

I think we have a winner...
One negative thing that I only saw after I read the review. This player cuts from the past, no analog outputs!!! It's the right way but still I would love to see some good old analogue outputs...
post #47 of 537
The link doesn't work for me.
post #48 of 537
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Originally Posted by Rschissler View Post

The link doesn't work for me.
Works for me fine... from my several PCs, w/firefox, and android mobile...

Guys I saw a bargain on the LX55, same price of the 450, what you Guys think between the 450 and the LX55??? From what model u choose??
I think that LX55 was with several problems, are those already iron out with the latest firmware???
post #49 of 537
I tried the link today and it worked? Do you think the basic blu ray disc playing part is the same with the 450 and 150?
post #50 of 537
I watched a movie on my new BDP-150 (latest firmware) for the very first time last night. Halfway through the movie I paused it to get a drink and a snack. When I came back I pressed play again and the thing got totally stuck and didn't respond to the remote anymore. All I could do was turn it off and on again.
Not a great experience when using it for the very first time. Anyone else tried pausing it for a longer period of time and resuming play after that?
Also, the display is located so deep inside the player that it's of no use when you look at it from a vertical angle.
post #51 of 537
Does BDP-150 shows subtitles over DLNA?
post #52 of 537
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Originally Posted by Nisei View Post

I watched a movie on my new BDP-150 (latest firmware) for the very first time last night. Halfway through the movie I paused it to get a drink and a snack. When I came back I pressed play again and the thing got totally stuck and didn't respond to the remote anymore. All I could do was turn it off and on again.
Not a great experience when using it for the very first time. Anyone else tried pausing it for a longer period of time and resuming play after that?
Also, the display is located so deep inside the player that it's of no use when you look at it from a vertical angle.

FWIW, I had the same problem with a Sony BDP-S590 w/ a particular BD that had a Java-based screen saver that crashed after a lengthy pause. I'm just saying that the problem may not be the player.
post #53 of 537
Yeah you could be right. I hate those discs which come with their own screensavers. I want to decide for myself if I use one or not.
post #54 of 537
FYI - if you are talking about Universal Studios movies, that screensaver is the same they had used with the failed HD DVD movies. Pressing play will do nothing. On my Harmony One remote, I start it back playing again by pressing the up arrow key. That will wake up the player, turn off the screensaver, and begin the playback. Hope this helps.
post #55 of 537
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Originally Posted by WRX_Rocky View Post

FYI - if you are talking about Universal Studios movies, that screensaver is the same they had used with the failed HD DVD movies. Pressing play will do nothing. On my Harmony One remote, I start it back playing again by pressing the up arrow key. That will wake up the player, turn off the screensaver, and begin the playback. Hope this helps.

Thanks for that... it was as you suggest and when it happened again I started playing with the remote, but I couldn't recall which key brought the player back to life. Up arrow it is...
post #56 of 537
A while back there was a review of a great combo of a universal player (prior to the full proliferation of blu-rays and their players being well under $1K+) and pre-amp: Oppo DV-980HD and Integra DTC-9.8 (aka Onkyo PR-SC885p).

In fact, for multichannel SACD and DVD-A playback, I would take the Integra-Oppo combo over anything else I've had in this system. I'd been waiting years to experience SACD and DVD-A with decent room EQ and competent bass and channel management without redundant A/D/A conversions, and the experience came up to my expectations.

I still have the Onkyo version of that receiver (PR-SC885p) and I'm trying to ween myself off that Oppo DV-980HD that's been so faithful. I recently purchased for $129 on Cyber Monday the Pioneer BDP-150, and was so upset that DVD-A was not supported, nor was network drive FLAC. The trade-off was being able to play more of the content I've amassed that the 980 couldn't, without having to pay the $500+ premium their new line carries.

Is there anything in the $200 transport range that can do everything the Oppo could, plus Bluray, network file browsing, and has a decent DAC? I thought the Pioneer BDP-52FD, on clearance at Best Buy for $150, could be it, but in gaining DVD-A with a 2011 model, you lose FLAC. This is getting ridiculous on all the variant versions of mutual exclusivity Pioneer, Panasonic, and others throw out there for us to sift through.

Thanks a million,
///Arash
post #57 of 537
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

A while back there was a review of a great combo of a universal player (prior to the full proliferation of blu-rays and their players being well under $1K+) and pre-amp: Oppo DV-980HD and Integra DTC-9.8 (aka Onkyo PR-SC885p).
In fact, for multichannel SACD and DVD-A playback, I would take the Integra-Oppo combo over anything else I've had in this system. I'd been waiting years to experience SACD and DVD-A with decent room EQ and competent bass and channel management without redundant A/D/A conversions, and the experience came up to my expectations.
I still have the Onkyo version of that receiver (PR-SC885p) and I'm trying to ween myself off that Oppo DV-980HD that's been so faithful. I recently purchased for $129 on Cyber Monday the Pioneer BDP-150, and was so upset that DVD-A was not supported, nor was network drive FLAC. The trade-off was being able to play more of the content I've amassed that the 980 couldn't, without having to pay the $500+ premium their new line carries.
Is there anything in the $200 transport range that can do everything the Oppo could, plus Bluray, network file browsing, and has a decent DAC? I thought the Pioneer BDP-52FD, on clearance at Best Buy for $150, could be it, but in gaining DVD-A with a 2011 model, you lose FLAC. This is getting ridiculous on all the variant versions of mutual exclusivity Pioneer, Panasonic, and others throw out there for us to sift through.
Thanks a million,
///Arash

Update...

I cracked open the Pioneer BDP-150 and found the following DAC: AK4430ET by AKM (http://www.akm.com/datasheets/ak4430_f00e.pdf)
Apparently, it is also used in the ROKU 2 XS 3100R (http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Roku_2_XS_3100R_Streaming_Media_Adapter-whatsinside-120.aspx)

So, it seems that Oppo's old unit still wins on sound quality when going from bit-stream to analog. I assume this only matters when you are playing MP3, FLAC, and CDs?

Here are the specs:
FEATURES
􀂆 Sampling Rate Ranging from 8kHz to 192kHz
􀂆 128 times Oversampling (Normal Speed Mode)
􀂆 64 times Oversampling (Double Speed Mode)
􀂆 32 times Oversampling (Quad Speed Mode)
􀂆 24-Bit 8 times FIR Digital Filter
􀂆 Switched-Capacitor Filter with High Tolerance to Clock Jitter
􀂆 Single Ended 2Vrms Output Buffer
􀂆 Soft mute
􀂆 I/F format: 24-bit MSB justified, I2S
􀂆 Master clock: 512fs, 768fs or 1152fs (Normal Speed Mode)
256fs or 384fs (Double Speed Mode)
128fs or 192fs (Quad Speed Mode)
􀂆 THD+N: -91dB
􀂆 Dynamic Range: 104dB

􀂆 Automatic Power-on Reset Circuit
􀂆 Power supply: +3.0 ∼ +3.6V
􀂆 Ta = -20 to 85°C
􀂆 Small Package: 16pin TSSOP (6.4mm x 5.0mm)

The Oppo comes with a Cirrus Logic CS4361. It's specs are (http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/cs4361.html):


Advanced multibit Delta-Sigma architecture
24-bit conversion
105 dB dynamic range
-95 dB THD+N

Up to 192 kHz sample rates for DVD-Audio equipment
5 V power supply
1.8 V to 5 V interface power
Single-ended outputs
Mute control output
Filtered line-level outputs
On-chip digital de-emphasis
Popguard® technology for control of clicks and pops
Low-clock-jitter sensitivity
Consumer and automotive grades
Available in a 20-pin TSSOP; lead-free assembly
post #58 of 537
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

Update...
I cracked open the Pioneer BDP-150 and found the following DAC: AK4430ET by AKM (http://www.akm.com/datasheets/ak4430_f00e.pdf)

Right, but since you want to play multi-channel SACDs (as mentioned in your post), you shouldn't care about the DAC - you will be bitstreaming via HDMI to your AVR, which will handle the decoding and conversion.

Also, are you sure the BDP-150 won't play FLAC via DLNA streaming? I just bought a BDP-62FD which states the same restriction in the user manual, but I am able to stream even 24/192 FLAC files without any difficulties.
post #59 of 537
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

Right, but since you want to play multi-channel SACDs (as mentioned in your post), you shouldn't care about the DAC - you will be bitstreaming via HDMI to your AVR, which will handle the decoding and conversion.
Also, are you sure the BDP-150 won't play FLAC via DLNA streaming? I just bought a BDP-62FD which states the same restriction in the user manual, but I am able to stream even 24/192 FLAC files without any difficulties.
I have two hard drives connected

I have Burr Brown PCM 1796 DAC in my pre/pro Onkyo 885p, so you are right on the bitstream point. But Flacs are not output bitstream, I thought irregardless of your settings in this unit. They are converted to PCM and sent over to the receiver/preamp?
Also, I can't seem to get this unit to understand DLNA correctly. Maybe there is a link out there that I have not read correctly. I have an Asus RT-n16 with Media Server activated on the USB hard drive connected. The Buffalo Linkstation seems to be recognized, but browsing for the FLAC files in with the MP3 files is a disaster with this bluray player, as the folder structure is not displaying as identical to Windows. Any suggestions are appreciated on both topics.

Thanks,
///Arash
post #60 of 537
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

I have two hard drives connected
I have Burr Brown PCM 1796 DAC in my pre/pro Onkyo 885p, so you are right on the bitstream point. But Flacs are not output bitstream, I thought irregardless of your settings in this unit. They are converted to PCM and sent over to the receiver/preamp?
Also, I can't seem to get this unit to understand DLNA correctly. Maybe there is a link out there that I have not read correctly. I have an Asus RT-n16 with Media Server activated on the USB hard drive connected. The Buffalo Linkstation seems to be recognized, but browsing for the FLAC files in with the MP3 files is a disaster with this bluray player, as the folder structure is not displaying as identical to Windows. Any suggestions are appreciated on both topics.
Thanks,
///Arash

Two separate issues on this topic:

- Bitstream versus LPCM - Linear pulse-code modulation (LPCM) is a method of encoding audio information digitally; it represents an audio waveform as a sequence of amplitude values recorded at a sequence of times, which is what differentiates it from bitstream.

LPCM is simply a decoding of the bits within the audio data file; it's not the same as converting from the digital to the analog domain, which is what your DAC does. My Pioneer player (BDP-62FD) doesn't even have a DAC built into it - it outputs only digital audio. The BDP-150 does have a DAC, but it's only used with the analog outputs (the white and red RCA connectors on the back of your player). So, even if you stream a FLAC audio file from a USB stick or a DLNA server and output LPCM from the HDMI or digital out (the 150 has only coaxial S/PDIF), the receiver is doing the digital to analog conversion (which is what you likely want for the best sound quality). BTW, this where jitter can become a problem - transmitting LPCM from your BD player to the AVR w/ LPCM because of the timing dependencies noted above in bold.

But I digress... and just don't worry about it; use the connector that works best for you (which will likely be the HDMI cable) and enjoy great sound and video from your new BDP-150.

- DLNA servers and folder structures. This is a very long topic and it would be hard for me to really help, since I don't use a Buffalo link station (and I don't even know which third-party DLNA server Buffalo uses). However, the two servers I use (Serviio for video and Twonky for music) each present their own folder structures based on metadata and their own configurations. It's not just a mirror of the physical file system, although it's usually possible to browse by folder. Look in your Buffalo setup and see if there are options that change the presentation of media to your liking. Be prepared, however; using DLNA to stream media is a learning curve and it will take some time for you to get things setup they way you want it.
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