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post #1 of 60
1/29/12 at 11:27am
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http://www.avguide.com/article/lycan...lric-subwoofer

Lycan Audio is proud to announce the release of the Ulric subwoofer. This subwoofer is a cost-no-object approach to designing the finest subwoofer possible. Weighing in at 712 pounds, this subwoofer exhibits fierce dynamics, unlimited resolution and extension down to 9hz with zero cabinet energy at 110db+ levels.

http://www.lycanaudio.com/Specs.html

The Lycan Audio "Ulric"

Driver : 18" Dynamic Anodized Aluminum Woofer

Enclosure type : Sealed

Sensitivity : 90.1db @ 1 watt/ 1 meter / 60hz

Impedance : 4 ohm / Minimum 3.9 ohms @ 21hz

Frequency Response Anechoic : +/- 1db 17hz - 150hz , -3db at 14hz , -10db at 9hz

Recommended Amplifer output : Min 250 watts RMS - Max 2,500 watts RMS / Dynamic : 7,400 watts

Group Delay : 1 ms @ 80hz , 2ms @ 40hz and 7ms @ 25hz with supplied amplifier.

Max SPL Anechoic : 121.3db

Weight : 712 lb / 322 kg ( just subwoofer, without amp and crossover ) 920 lb total package shipped.

Package Contents : Subwoofer, Aluminum Base, set of 4 Finite Elemente CERABASE Classic's, Amplifier, Crossover, Two pairs of gloves, Dolly for moving, Jack for lifting, Manual for Subwoofer and Electronics, SPL Meter and a Calibrated Test Tone Disc.

Width : 24 inches
Depth : 38 inches
Height : 34.5 inches ( with stand ) 32 inches ( without stand )

Finishes : Gloss black with matte black baffle ( color choices coming soon )

MSRP : Introductory price of $14,999
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post #2 of 60
1/29/12 at 12:09pm
Where do I start? That is ridiculous on so many levels.
Over 700 lbs, 4.5 to 10.5 inch thick walls to create an inert cabinet. A single 18" driver in a $15,000 sub?
This is for the uninformed ultra wealthy. The informed ultra wealthy still would not go for this thing. A single Submersive HP or powered Cap could keep up with this thing.
Instead of an extra 500 lbs of wood another driver on the opposite side of the existing one would make it inert and increase output.
Quad Submersives or sealed Caps would give much better FR and output and you could move them around yourselves instead of having to call Jeeves or Lurch to move it for you. Even dual Paradigm Sub 2's make a lot more sense.
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post #3 of 60
1/29/12 at 12:12pm
Im sure im going to get guff for this, but im actually trying a pair of these right now, to compare to my gothams.
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post #4 of 60
1/29/12 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by capecodorthopod View Post

Where do I start? That is ridiculous on so many levels.
Over 700 lbs, 4.5 to 10.5 inch thick walls to create an inert cabinet. A single 18" driver in a $15,000 sub?
This is for the uninformed ultra wealthy. The informed ultra wealthy still would not go for this thing. A single Submersive HP or powered Cap could keep up with this thing.
Instead of an extra 500 lbs of wood another driver on the opposite side of the existing one would make it inert and increase output.
Quad Submersives or sealed Caps would give much better FR and output and you could move them around yourselves instead of having to call Jeeves or Lurch to move it for you. Even dual Paradigm Sub 2's make a lot more sense.

So it's fair to say they don't need to mark you down for duals? I don't think they care if some MDF box from Seaton or duralined cabinet from JTR play louder. Wrong on so many levels? Maybe, but God bless them for doing it I say!!
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post #5 of 60
1/29/12 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by BassMasterG View Post

Im sure im going to get guff for this, but im actually trying a pair of these right now, to compare to my gothams.

Bud Bundy?

Pictures of them with the dual gothams or it didn't happen.
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post #6 of 60
1/29/12 at 12:21pm
lol @ "introductory price."

The sub should be called the "Profit Margin."
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post #7 of 60
1/29/12 at 12:26pm
That driver also looks a lot like the LMS 5400...
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post #8 of 60
1/29/12 at 12:40pm
Definitely looks like a debadged lms5400
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post #9 of 60
1/29/12 at 12:44pm
Here's a shot of one with one of my V3's ( sorry but my iphone's lens isnt capable of capturing the whole system ) The finish reflects everything so i took kind of a top shot so you wont be blinded by it and my gothams are put away in there boxes for protection. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...mg0833524.jpg/
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post #10 of 60
1/29/12 at 1:10pm
Over 700lbs, good lord. You could use it to anchor your house down in case of tornado.
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post #11 of 60
1/29/12 at 4:06pm
That's mild compared to what some of us that are in the DIY forums build and run for LFE......

Check out these monsters! ( Post 1403 ) "Potentius Maximus"

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...880571&page=47



"I really could not imagine my house or my ears being able to sustain a whole lot more down low. I have experienced chest compression, shortness of breath, eye blur and a host of other things since adding the new cabs. "
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post #12 of 60
1/29/12 at 4:20pm
I don't object to the performance I object to the price and weight. Absurd. The extra 300 or 400 lbs and $10000 do not make it better.
Tim
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post #13 of 60
1/29/12 at 4:33pm
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The Lycan Audio "Ulric"
Driver : 18" Dynamic Anodized Aluminum Woofer
Enclosure type : Sealed
Frequency Response Anechoic : +/- 1db 17hz - 150hz , -3db at 14hz , -10db at 9hz
Recommended Amplifer output : Min 250 watts RMS - Max 2,500 watts RMS / Dynamic : 7,400 watts
Weight : 712 lb / 322 kg ( just subwoofer, without amp and crossover ) 920 lb total package shipped.
MSRP : Introductory price of $14,999

Hmmm...Paradigm's SUB 25 will hit 9Hz @ -3dB with 3000W RMS and a 15" driver in a 114lb sealed sub...for only $5,500 (MSRP). I'll take two SUB 25s and put $4K in my pocket, thanks.
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post #14 of 60
1/29/12 at 5:23pm
Here is the driver.
http://www.lycanaudio.com/
LL
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post #15 of 60
1/29/12 at 5:53pm
My DTS-10 gets down to 12 Hz, is more efficient, and can get louder!
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post #16 of 60
1/29/12 at 5:53pm
I'm calling total BS on the 700 pounds.
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post #17 of 60
1/29/12 at 6:01pm
What on earth would cause it to weigh so much? Lead bracing perhaps??? I'll keep my Ultras...
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post #18 of 60
1/29/12 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by Sidewayz View Post

So it's fair to say they don't need to mark you down for duals? I don't think they care if some MDF box from Seaton or duralined cabinet from JTR play louder. Wrong on so many levels? Maybe, but God bless them for doing it I say!!

+1. Afterall, people still buy Bose.
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post #19 of 60
1/29/12 at 6:57pm
I could take 2K and outperform that sub in every possible way. What a waste.
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post #20 of 60
1/29/12 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by capecodorthopod View Post

A single Submersive HP or powered Cap could keep up with this thing.

How were you able to discern that? It seems a rather bold statement to make considering you've never heard it for yourself, nor has anyone even tested it yet to determine what it's true capabilities are. I'm not saying it makes sense -- or there's a market for it -- but categorically stating what it can/can't do based solely upon conjecture strikes me as a bit premature.
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post #21 of 60
1/29/12 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by BassMasterG View Post

Im sure im going to get guff for this, but im actually trying a pair of these right now, to compare to my gothams.

Why should anyone give you crap for that? It's your money, do with it what you'd like. That beast is certainly not for everyone, but it may be exactly what you're looking for.

What I'd like to know is how does it sound? In your estimation, was it worth the price?
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post #22 of 60
1/29/12 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by ratm View Post

I'm calling total BS on the 700 pounds.

Frankly that does come across as a bit exaggerated, given it's physical dimensions. Wonder if there's any sand or concrete fill used as well, because it does seem like an awful lot of weight given the materials being utilized.
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post #23 of 60
1/29/12 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by johnbr View Post

Here is the driver.
http://www.lycanaudio.com/

That's a 5400.

That one sub is over twice the cost of my entire system...
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post #24 of 60
1/29/12 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Frankly that does come across as a bit exaggerated, given it's physical dimensions. Wonder if there's any sand or concrete fill used as well, because it does seem like an awful lot of weight given the materials being utilized.


The extreme weight seems to be due to the fact that the enclosure is essentially cored out of a block of baltic birch vs. individual ply cuts being screwed/glued together. That's about the only way, in my estimation, they could end up with the thicknesses they're describing on the website. Also, the bottom is described as having a solid 1" block of aluminum.
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post #25 of 60
1/29/12 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by _Avarice_ View Post

The extreme weight seems to be due to the fact that the enclosure is essentially cored out of a block of baltic birch vs. individual ply cuts being screwed/glued together. That's about the only way, in my estimation, they could end up with the thicknesses they're describing on the website. Also, the bottom is described as having a solid 1" block of aluminum.

I did indeed notice that when I looked at their website. That's a bit of engineering I'm intimately familiar with too; I helped design satellites using that exact construction style and material. Even with that knowledge I still find the weight claims rather suspect. But who knows, maybe it does actually weigh that much. Perhaps BassMasterG will chime in with a more authoritative response.
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post #26 of 60
1/29/12 at 9:19pm
Honestly now, what's the big deal with weighing 700 pounds? We used to carry keyboards in flight cases, like the Hammond B3 and Synclavier, that weighed at least that much up and down tight staircases all the time.

700 lbs. sitting on the floor is nothing compared to a 700 tons flying overhead!

At least they got one thing right by using a single 18" driver in a sealed enclosure...
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post #27 of 60
1/29/12 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by Speed Daemon View Post

Honestly now, what's the big deal with weighing 700 pounds?

There may not have ever been a consumer-grade subwoofer weighing anything close to that, so it would be a big deal if it turns out to be true. If nothing else it's certainly noteworthy. Try doing a sub crawl with that boat anchor...
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post #28 of 60
1/29/12 at 10:16pm
The 700 lbs may no be to far off the mark. Given their dimensions if it were solid birch at 45 lbs per cubic ft (one of the most dense figures I could find for birch) it would weigh ~818 lbs.

IN=FT
24=2
38=3.16
34.5=2.875
2X3.16X2.875= 18.17 cubic feet X 45lbs/cu.ft=~818

Now given they mill some of this out the figure would be less. However, they have a 1in thick sheet of aluminum on it which is much more dense. I could do the math on all of that to but, I think you guys kind of see the point by now. Not to mention they then have to add a heavy driver and amp.

While I agree it's ridiculous, I don't think they are lying about the weight.
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post #29 of 60
1/29/12 at 10:28pm
From 2nd link: Weight : 712 lb / 322 kg (just subwoofer, without amp and crossover ) 920 lb total package shipped.

Package Contents : Subwoofer, Aluminum Base, set of 4 Finite Elemente CERABASE Classic's, Amplifier, Crossover, Two pairs of gloves, Dolly for moving, Jack for lifting, Manual for Subwoofer and Electronics, SPL Meter and a Calibrated Test Tone Disc.
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post #30 of 60
1/29/12 at 10:33pm
From the FAQ's:

Why does the Ulric weigh 712 pounds?
Due to its massive construction and over the top internal bracing. The smallest side wall is 4.5 inches thick with the average side wall being 6.75 inches and the corners being at 10.5 inches thick. We use the highest quality Baltic birch available that uses a phenolic resin as a partial adhesive along with other adhesives. We also use aluminum for the front baffle for the driver to mount to, stainless steel clamping parts and an aluminum plate for the binding post. Also add in the fact that the driver weighs near 90 pounds and that the subwoofer comes with a solid aluminum base that is an inch thick and you can kind of see why it's so heavy.
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