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post #1 of 19
1/30/12 at 7:17pm
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Hey guys,

I have a Samsung pn59d8000, cisco png150n cable box and a Pioneer vsx 1021-x receiver. So I set up the watch a dvd with no problem. Tv turns on, bluray player turns on, receiver turns on and goes into input BD.

I am trying to setup watching cable tv. So remote turns on cable box, tv and receiver. TV goes to HDMI 2 (which is correct) and the Pioneer receiver starts at the right spot DVR/BDR and just about the time you hear the audio on the tv, the receiver switches to SAT/TV. I ran the troubleshooting and it suggested to add 1500 ms delays after receiver turns on and in between signals. Still switches to SAT/TV.
The easiest fix I imagine would be to switch cable box to SAT/TV input but that input is only component video and my cable box is only HDMI.
Anyone knows why this keeps happening and how I can rectify the situation?

Thanks in advance.

Les
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post #2 of 19
1/30/12 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by ljorges View Post

Hey guys,

I have a Samsung pn59d8000, cisco png150n cable box and a Pioneer vsx 1021-x receiver. So I set up the watch a dvd with no problem. Tv turns on, bluray player turns on, receiver turns on and goes into input BD.

I am trying to setup watching cable tv. So remote turns on cable box, tv and receiver. TV goes to HDMI 2 (which is correct) and the Pioneer receiver starts at the right spot DVR/BDR and just about the time you hear the audio on the tv, the receiver switches to SAT/TV. I ran the troubleshooting and it suggested to add 1500 ms delays after receiver turns on and in between signals. Still switches to SAT/TV.
The easiest fix I imagine would be to switch cable box to SAT/TV input but that input is only component video and my cable box is only HDMI.
Anyone knows why this keeps happening and how I can rectify the situation?

Thanks in advance.

Les

Turn off Anynet on the tv. Lose some functionality, but if yours is like my PN59D8000/Onkyo HT-RC370 combo it seems that the ARC wants to change settings on "watch tv" from cbl/sat to tv/cd (after starting up initially with cbl/sat, then changes to tv/cd). I did previously have a Pioneer receiver, but that was without the ARC capability, which seems to be the pivot app here. Battle of the brands' single control apps...

PS On my harmony, after it goes to tv/cd I press help and it changes it back, so that's how I leave it to retain the anynet functionality.
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post #3 of 19
1/30/12 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Turn off Anynet on the tv. Lose some functionality, but if yours is like my PN59D8000/Onkyo HT-RC370 combo it seems that the ARC wants to change settings on "watch tv" from cbl/sat to tv/cd (after starting up initially with cbl/sat, then changes to tv/cd). I did previously have a Pioneer receiver, but that was without the ARC capability, which seems to be the pivot app here. Battle of the brands' single control apps...

PS On my harmony, after it goes to tv/cd I press help and it changes it back, so that's how I leave it to retain the anynet functionality.

Thanks Lovin. Yeah I press the help and it puts it back on the correct input. What is lost with Anynet turned off?

Has anyone gotten past this problem without turning off Anynet or pressing the help button?

Les
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post #4 of 19
1/30/12 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by ljorges View Post

Thanks Lovin. Yeah I press the help and it puts it back on the correct input. What is lost with Anynet turned off?

Has anyone gotten past this problem without turning off Anynet or pressing the help button?

Les

Actually it was Brian6751 in the PNxxD8000 thread (and maybe the "official" thread for my receiver too, now that I think about it) who kept saying turn anynet off for this and various HDMI control issues with mixed brands particularly. I swear I had tried this before and without anynet it wouldn't allow some basic controls; I just tried it, turned everything off and on again and this time it didn't shift nor does it seem to be giving me any control issues. (yet? or d'oh? or wtf?) And that gets rid of the receiver displaying the volume changes on the tv, too.
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post #5 of 19
1/30/12 at 8:45pm
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What I don't understand is when I press watch dvd/bluray. It turns on the tv, the bluray player and then the receiver and puts the receiver on the BD input. That activity works perfectly. Why doesn't that also switch to SAT/TV?

Les
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post #6 of 19
1/30/12 at 9:01pm
Anynet is switching the input back to blu-ray. That's why you have to turn it off. If you don't want to turn it off, you'll need a different remote so you can modify the macros to work around it. With my non-harmony remotes, I leave Anynet on and take advantage of the automatic HDMI switching in my macros. With harmony, I have to turn that off so the remote and HDMI control don't fight each other because I can't control the content of the activity macros. HDMI always wins.
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post #7 of 19
1/30/12 at 11:33pm
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Originally Posted by ljorges View Post

What I don't understand is when I press watch dvd/bluray. It turns on the tv, the bluray player and then the receiver and puts the receiver on the BD input. That activity works perfectly. Why doesn't that also switch to SAT/TV?

Les

Heck if I know the technical explanation, but someone here probably does. Now I remember what happens when you turn anynet off...no more ARC (went to watch an app on the tv just now to remind me). Knew there was a hitch...better to just flip it back to cable/sat when it wants to change to the tv (which would be fine I suppose if I wanted to watch an app right off...). Oh well...
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post #8 of 19
1/31/12 at 7:25am
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I know that with the pn59d8000 ARC is carried only on the HDMI 2. Would I still get the ARC interference if I used a different HDMI input on the TV?

Les
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post #9 of 19
1/31/12 at 7:33am
No. ARC is audio, not control. So you'll have to work around it by adding some extra commands and delays. At the end of your watch movie activity, add an extra discrete off for the player and a delay, and make sure you are using input method 2 (assuming your tv has discrete input commands).
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post #10 of 19
1/31/12 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

No. ARC is audio, not control. So you'll have to work around it by adding some extra commands and delays. At the end of your watch movie activity, add an extra discrete off for the player and a delay, and make sure you are using input method 2 (assuming your tv has discrete input commands).

Oh, gotcha on the first part but now I'm gonna have to revert to newbie mode.

Right now my sequence for "Watch Cable" on the Harmony One looks something like this:
Cable box on
Pioneer 1021 on
Samsung pn59d8000 on
Samsung to HDMI input 2
Pioneer to input DVR/BDR

I guess this is where the whole ARC thing comes into play and switches the receiver's input to SAT/TV.

I know what a delay is but what is "a discrete off"

What would you add to this sequence to get the pioneer back to the DVR/BDR input?

Thanks for your patience,

Les
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post #11 of 19
1/31/12 at 1:49pm
OK, it looks like the ARC is just a red herring. You simply have the wrong input in the last step of your activity. Run the wizard again and set the Pio to SAT/TV.
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post #12 of 19
1/31/12 at 1:56pm
A "discrete off" is when the remote sends a POWER OFF command rather than a power toggle. This is the preferred way to do things, because if your TV is OFF and it gets a discrete off command, it stays off, rather than acting like a Monty Python sketch.

Also, I have a Sammy LED TV and am convinced that Anynet+ is the devil. I've turned it off without incident. Though I don't use my TV for web apps either. I'm guessing I would lose that portion of it . . .
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post #13 of 19
1/31/12 at 3:32pm
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Thanks for all the input guys. I read about Harmony and Anynet on the Logitech forums and some of the guys turned off Anynet and others suggested adding a delay and then the command for the correct input. I think this is what mdavej suggested in an earlier post. So I added a 15 sec delay to the end of the activity and then had it switch to the correct input. So it works. I wish it didn't mean adding the delay but I really didn't want to turn off Anynet.

Les
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post #14 of 19
1/31/12 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

OK, it looks like the ARC is just a red herring. You simply have the wrong input in the last step of your activity. Run the wizard again and set the Pio to SAT/TV.

Hey Mdavej,
The receiver would switch to SAT/TV when I wanted DVR/BDR. I'm not sure why that last line would be incorrect.

Thanks,

Les
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post #15 of 19
1/31/12 at 4:00pm
I was confused. I thought you wanted Watch TV to switch to SAT/TV. But I see now that's not the case.

Anyway, if you want Watch TV to switch to DVR/BDR, then it sounds like the inputs are mislabeled or in the wrong order in the harmony s/w. If you're using method 2, then go into device mode and try every input command and note which input it really goes to, then choose the correct one in the activity wizard. If you're using method 1, then you'll need to verify that the input order when you press input on the pio remote matches the order on harmony.

Method 2 uses discrete input commands, i.e., you can go directly to any input with a single discrete command. Method 1 simply sends the input command a certain number of times and stops at the right input. The input method is part of the device setup.
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post #16 of 19
1/31/12 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I was confused. I thought you wanted Watch TV to switch to SAT/TV. But I see now that's not the case.

Anyway, if you want Watch TV to switch to DVR/BDR, then it sounds like the inputs are mislabeled or in the wrong order in the harmony s/w. If you're using method 2, then go into device mode and try every input command and note which input it really goes to, then choose the correct one in the activity wizard. If you're using method 1, then you'll need to verify that the input order when you press input on the pio remote matches the order on harmony.

Method 2 uses discrete input commands, i.e., you can go directly to any input with a single discrete command. Method 1 simply sends the input command a certain number of times and stops at the right input. The input method is part of the device setup.


Mdavej,

Here is a snapshot of what I did to get it to work without turning off Anynet. Essentially I just added delays and then sent the input command again to put it on the correct input. I'm not crazy about how long it takes to get to where I want but for now that's the only thing I have working.

Can you - or anyone else actually - think of any other way I could do this? You guys know by now that I'm a newbie (lol), so please be as specific as you can so that I can try to replicate what you guys suggest. Also, when it says that a component is "Set to DVR/BDR" is that a discrete command?



Thanks,

Les
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post #17 of 19
1/31/12 at 7:28pm
When mine switches to tv/cd from cbl/sat at startup as soon as it goes to tv I hit the help button and it goes back to cbl/sat fairly quickly....faster than waiting 15 seconds. So, this is what I'll do until I play around with the remote...no biggie.
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post #18 of 19
1/31/12 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

When mine switches to tv/cd from cbl/sat at startup as soon as it goes to tv I hit the help button and it goes back to cbl/sat fairly quickly....faster than waiting 15 seconds. So, this is what I'll do until I play around with the remote...no biggie.

LOL! Yeah that's what I might go back to if there is no other way.

Les
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post #19 of 19
2/3/12 at 12:48pm
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Just an update, Logitech's response was to disable Anynet.

Les
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