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post #31 of 43
2/9/12 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Dahwoo View Post

I guess I should have pointed out that I am relaying second hand information (maybe even poorly) but I was told this by some people who are up there in the automation world(I'd rather not say which company). And what I was told was that the basic architecture and internal control was from Extron MAV series switchers and then modified at crestron with much more emphasis then they did with their AAS media players.

But in any event, This is why I try to never relay information that I am not 100% sure about :/ Sorry if I'm incorrect.

Extron OEM'ing to Crestron (or vice versa) is about as likely as Michelle Bachmann deciding to campaign for Obama!

those two companies are mortal enemies.
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post #32 of 43
2/11/12 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by Dizzman View Post

Extron OEM'ing to Crestron (or vice versa) is about as likely as Michelle Bachmann deciding to campaign for Obama!

those two companies are mortal enemies.

I love how I said that this information came from a 3rd party and it's still the highlight of the conversation. I know to some of you crestron is like Apple to the home automation world and they can do no wrong but they did that very thing with lutron (Get the product flip it a little bit and come out with "the crestron" version which is identical to lutron). I can not confirm what I said earlier because as I told you it's second hand info but from one of the top 3 competitors to crestron and not a tech support person.

Frankly, I don't care if they did or didn't as long as the product is good and works when I'm ready to use it.
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post #33 of 43
2/11/12 at 1:19pm
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Getting back to my question: the AMX HDMI-UTPRO-0808 seems like it will do what I need. The manual says that some commands are not available via RS232 that are available with NetLink. Any opinions/pitfalls on using and/or controlling this unit?
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post #34 of 43
2/29/12 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by GoGo Delicious View Post

You will have a lot of difficulty controlling Crestron from another "automation" system. Crestron does not have a protocol, i.e. RS232, IP, and IR, that you you can use in another system to control a Crestron system.

Actually, it does - it's called XSIG :-) But that's really not necessary, and would require custom programming on the other system.

You can definitely control a DM switcher from another control system, using a QM-RMC (or other Crestron processor). It has been done several times with AMX, Control4, and ElanG - those are the ones I know of, but there are probably others as well.

It's actually quite simple. A small program is written for the QM-RMC so that it will respond to commands for another switcher, such as Extron, Autopatch, etc. Then, in the other control system, you just add the driver for an Extron (or whatever) switcher.
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post #35 of 43
2/29/12 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by GoGo Delicious View Post

As a Crestron Dealer, Programer and DM Engineer I will tell you to buy something else.

The type hodgepodge system you are trying to create will be a PITA. You will have to find a dealer/programmer who has time on their hands and needs the job, i.e.$$, to take on this type of system.

Not necessarily.

The Crestron programming (for control of the DM only) is super-simple, and any experienced programmer could do it in a couple of hours tops.

A dealer, installer, and/or DMC-E will be needed for the initial setup, but that shouldn't take long, provided there are no wiring issues. I've worked on many DM systems, and over 90% of any problems are related to wiring or connectors.

If the wiring is good, it is literally almost plug and play. There are occasionally issues with a strange source device or display, but another awesome aspect of DM is the troubleshooting utility in Toolbox. With DM Tools, you can quickly see what resolutions are supported by all displays, devices, and lots of other information.
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post #36 of 43
2/29/12 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by shaun5 View Post

I don't need a control system (already have that

How about telling us what this mysterious "other control system" is? What's the big secret?

Someone might already have a solution, if they knew what you were talking about... :-)
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post #37 of 43
2/29/12 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by Dahwoo View Post

I can not confirm what I said earlier because as I told you it's second hand info but from one of the top 3 competitors to crestron and not a tech support person.

Oh yeah, and a competitor would never lie - right?
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post #38 of 43
3/4/12 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by shaun5 View Post

Getting back to my question: the AMX HDMI-UTPRO-0808 seems like it will do what I need. The manual says that some commands are not available via RS232 that are available with NetLink. Any opinions/pitfalls on using and/or controlling this unit?

I wouldn't use this device. It doesn't manage keys for different devices, so you're limited on output devices whatever number the source allows. Not to mention, you're paying a big premium for the AMX brand (as well as Crestron).

Why don't you buy a "generic" switcher? I.e. one that isn't made by a control company?
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post #39 of 43
3/4/12 at 6:51pm
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DDave: Are you sure about the keys? The documentation seems to indicate that you can assign and redefine keys with the software?? I am open to any suggestions on quality equipment.

Tony: Other than not being Crestron, the ability to control IR, IP, and serial devices and they don't make a switcher, I thought (and still think) any other aspect of my control system is irrelevant.

For anyone interested: My control system is primarily a web app interface for iOS devices that I developed for Girder 5. The level of sophistication is beyond anything I was willing to pay for. With expressed interest, I will gladly go into any level of detail on any aspect of the system.
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post #40 of 43
3/5/12 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by shaun5 View Post

DDave: Are you sure about the keys? The documentation seems to indicate that you can assign and redefine keys with the software?? I am open to any suggestions on quality equipment.

Pretty sure, yep.

Why not just use something less expensive that provides the same performance? Atlona, Binary, and Intellix are just a few options.
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post #41 of 43
3/5/12 at 3:58pm
Thread Starter 
Do any have the same key functionality as crestron? The AMC is available discounted from MSRP, so it seems reasonably priced.
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post #42 of 43
1/24/13 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by studiocats View Post

The DM switchers are built in NJ by Crestron. Extron has nothing to do with them. The only way you can control them from another control system is to insert a small processor like the QM-RMC and then connect the RS-232 port to the other control system. I have done this with AMX control system to control 32X32 DM switchers.

Hi Studiocats, i've a question for you, reading your post you've control a creston DM switcher via an AMX controler? Using the IP connection? Crestron UK told me that was maybe not possible...
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post #43 of 43
1/24/13 at 10:37am
I believe he's saying he wrote a basic protocol for the AMX controller to speak to the QM-RMC, allowing basic signal routing commands/feedback. This wouldn't be terribly complicated, but changes down the line might require changes to both Crestron and AMX programming (which could be a PITA).

I don't know AMX but on the Crestron side this would be as simple as a TCP/IP client and a SIO signal with some basic strings being sent back and forth to trigger events. Or same over RS232.
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