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post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 
I think I just threw up a little.

I have Polk RTi6 bookshelf speakers in my living room connected to an Onkyo TX-8050 networked receiver. I've just added my PC via S/PDIF and popped in a CD, and when I walked back into my office I realized that sad noise I was hearing was from a set of 15+ year old Altec Lansing multimedia speakers. Not bad on their own, but it was like walking off the beach into a mud puddle. This is only going to get worse next week when the RTi6 are replaced by Polk LSi9s powered by an Anthem amplifier.

I've been searching for decent mini bookshelf/monitors for my desk, I plan to now run computer audio through the Onkyo (for most computer functions I use a headset, this will be for music only). However, there doesn't appear to be a tremendous amount of choice for small desktop sized passive speakers. I would have thought that going through the receiver with passive speakers would provide superior sound, but its looking like there are better active choices, like Swan M200MKII and Audioengine 5+.

I'd like some recommendations and opinions if you don't mind giving them, in the $500/pair range.

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 38
How small do they need to be? Why not use the RTi6 in there since you already have them?
post #3 of 38
Two NHT SuperZeros. They really need a small sub, such as an HSU STF-1 or Outlaw M8 subwoofer. If you don't mind b-stock, the M8 can be had for $225 shipped. Or, I really like my Energy RC-10s with my PC setup, which are a little smaller than the Polk RTi6.
post #4 of 38
I would recommend the Boston Acoustics VS-260 speakers. The soundstage and clarity are phenomenal. They are extremely neutral sounding speakers. There is no coloration in them what-so-ever .They are on clearance for $250 each ($500 a pair), originally they were $700 each ($1400 a pair). The piano black gloss looks great as well. You will not find a better pair of speakers for that price. The link is Boston Acoustics VS-260.
post #5 of 38
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the recommendations so far. Now that I have dug in and started research I realize there is quite a number of choices available. Unfortunately, I prefer soft dome tweeters, which has narrowed what I think my favorites might be, and as well, since these are to be on a desk against the wall I need to be aware of placement and rear-firing speakers. Preferences aside, I hope to audition as many as possible.

The short list of those I am considering:

KEF C1 Black Ash
Energy RC-10
Monitor Audio M1 or M2
PSB Image B4 or B5
Boston Acoustics A 26 or VS260
Jamo c803
Cambridge Audio S30
Mordaunt-Short Carnival 2

The ones I want, Dynaudio Excite X12. However, this won't happen until I win the lottery this weekend.

I am local to Crutchfield and will be able to audition a few on the list. For the rest, it will take awhile.

Further opinions appreciated, if you'd like to help me narrow it down further.
post #6 of 38
The Boston E60 will do a good job on the desktop. It has a lot of
detail, definition and depth.
http://www.amazon.com/Boston-Acousti...8310366&sr=8-1

The VS260, can overwhelm you on a desk. And, I do not reccomend the
Cambridge S30 for desktop.

Also, take a look at Emptek E41 speakers
http://www.emptek.com/e41b.php
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...mp-tek-vt-40.2
post #7 of 38
The RC-10s come with rear port plugs in case you find that your placement is too close to the wall. I have mine about six inches out and haven't felt the need to use the port plugs.
post #8 of 38
I am using the Audioengine A2 speakers, which are only $200, with a small subwoofer. It is a great setup and the little guys are small enough to sit next to my monitor on the computer table (a recycled crappy old dining room table, actually...lol).

They are very good little speakers. I like them better than the larger Audioengine speakers. Did you by any chance read the Stereophile review of them recently?

I just run the stereo sound output of my motherboard direct to them, and the sound is surprisingly good. I suffered with a crappy little pair of powered speakers for years, and just didn't think the sound from the motherboard would be worth spit, but boy was I wrong! I really didn't listen to music at the computer before I bought these, and now I do it all the time.

I am using the Sony SA-W2500 subwoofer, which only cost me $70 and is OK for the small power I require of it, but if I had to do it over I would spend $130 for the SA-W3000, which has twice as much power.

I have a $25,000 main stereo system, and listening to these guys doesn't make me the least bit queasy (of course I am not playing Beethoven's 9th on them, either; there ARE some limits...rofl).

For really great headphone sound, a dedicated headphone amplifier like the Musical Fidelity V-CAN MarkII for $199 is a good idea.







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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

I think I just threw up a little.

However, there doesn't appear to be a tremendous amount of choice for small desktop sized passive speakers. I would have thought that going through the receiver with passive speakers would provide superior sound, but its looking like there are better active choices, like Swan M200MKII and Audioengine 5+.

I'd like some recommendations and opinions if you don't mind giving them, in the $500/pair range.

Thanks in advance.
post #9 of 38
Thread Starter 
Audioengine has been on the radar, and I initially considered either their active speakers or those from Swan. I've since decided to run passive speakers from the receiver in my office instead, for additional flexibility. Audioengine P4 fits most of the criteria on my list, but reports are that they are rather bright, and therefore dismissed.
post #10 of 38
Thread Starter 
afrogt, apologies for not addressing your question. The Polk RTi6 are great speakers, just not so good where I need speakers at this time. They are 14" deep, too big for a desktop, and have a rather forward image. I question their ability to perform as nearfield monitors. Thank you for the suggestion though.
post #11 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

The RC-10s come with rear port plugs in case you find that your placement is too close to the wall. I have mine about six inches out and haven't felt the need to use the port plugs.

Honestly I probably wouldn't need them either, but out of curiosity have you ever plugged the ports for a sound comparison?
post #12 of 38
Have you looked at NHT Absolute Zero? They're mentioned quite often by members here when it comes to small quality speakers.
post #13 of 38
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Honestly I probably wouldn't need them either, but out of curiosity have you ever plugged the ports for a sound comparison?

As you would guess, it changes the mid-bass; makes the low end roll off faster. But I just did a quick comparison and decided I liked the ports open better. I can't really characterize it more than that other than I see how it would help if someone was placing them very close to a wall or in a cabinet.
post #14 of 38
Thread Starter 
Thanks, as I suspected.

I'm excited about the Energy RC-10 the more I read, they are certainly at the top of the list, although Monitor and PSB are right up there with them. Unfortunately I don't think I will have an opportunity to listen to the Energy speakers, which is a minor complication in deciding. I'm hoping to discern enough from listening to the other two to make a final decision.
post #15 of 38
I have the RC-10, and even in my main room, with them on stands away from the wall, I prefer to plug the ports.

With the port open, the bass is impressive for a speaker that size, but it is just a little "thick" sounding. If you look at the Soundstage measurements of the RC-10 you can see there is some upper bass emphasis.

Plugging the port does the low end roll off higher, but to my ears, makes the sound more balanced overall.

When I used them on my desktop a couple years ago, before putting them in my main room... I plugged the ports because they sounded boomy sitting on the desk right up to the rear wall.
post #16 of 38
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

And, I do not reccomend the
Cambridge S30 for desktop.

I may have asked you before... but is it desktop placement specifically, or nearfield use, that you're not recommending?

It's been awhile since I had them, but I seem to remember them sounding pretty good nearfield, if a little forward at times.
post #17 of 38
If for nearfield listening and you have some DIY skills i would highly recommend these...
http://meniscusaudio.com/continuum-pr-p-1324.html


which are modeled after these...
http://www.harbeth.co.uk/uk/index.ph...020%20domestic
http://www.harbeth.co.uk/uk/index.ph...sr&model=P3ESR


Salk Sound sells the Continuum for $1200...
http://salksound.com/continuum%20-%20home.htm
post #18 of 38
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

I may have asked you before... but is it desktop placement specifically, or nearfield use, that you're not recommending?

It's been awhile since I had them, but I seem to remember them sounding pretty good nearfield, if a little forward at times.

I remember, that they were OK for you on a desktop.

I for one, do not reccomend for nearfield use. The speaker really
shines when placed on stands, to perform in an open room.

It may work for some people - I am mainly talking about desktop
placement. The strong bass of the speaker, the somewhat lively
and somewhat forward nature of the speaker. This can rob you of
the true benefit, in the imaging and soundstage presentation, that
this speaker can do.
post #19 of 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

I have the RC-10, and even in my main room, with them on stands away from the wall, I prefer to plug the ports.

With the port open, the bass is impressive for a speaker that size, but it is just a little "thick" sounding. If you look at the Soundstage measurements of the RC-10 you can see there is some upper bass emphasis.

Plugging the port does the low end roll off higher, but to my ears, makes the sound more balanced overall.

When I used them on my desktop a couple years ago, before putting them in my main room... I plugged the ports because they sounded boomy sitting on the desk right up to the rear wall.

Good points. I did end up using the EQ on my Xonar Essence STX in my PC 2.1 setup to drop the 60hz range about 2db and the 125hz slider by 3db, as well as the 16k down 1 or 2db for the RC-10s. However, even flat, I still preferred them with the port open. It's really up to the room acoustics and the individual's taste, but what's nice is someone has that option with the port plug.

Also, with the Onkyo TX-8050 receiver Nethawk has, Audyssey MultiEQ XT can help to tame the mid-bass response. If a speaker has mostly the sonic character one wants, but is just a little bit weak or strong in a certain frequency range, Audyssey may help and the room acoustics/placement can make it respond differently.
post #20 of 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

I remember, that they were OK for you on a desktop.

I for one, do not reccomend for nearfield use. The speaker really
shines when placed on stands, to perform in an open room.

It may work for some people - I am mainly talking about desktop
placement. The strong bass of the speaker, the somewhat lively
and somewhat forward nature of the speaker. This can rob you of
the true benefit, in the imaging and soundstage presentation, that
this speaker can do.

There was a caveat though - the integrated amp I was using had a 100Hz, 12dB/octave high pass filter... So the S30 wasn't handling bass duties.

If I had been running them full range, on a desk, and close to the wall - the results may have been very different.

I do remember them being more forward than the NHT Absolute Zero. That, and the depth of the speaker, led to me not keeping them on my desktop.
post #21 of 38
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Good points. I did end up using the EQ on my Xonar Essence STX in my PC 2.1 setup to drop the 60hz range about 2db and the 125hz slider by 3db, as well as the 16k down 1 or 2db for the RC-10s. However, even flat, I still preferred them with the port open. It's really up to the room acoustics and the individual's taste, but what's nice is someone has that option with the port plug.

Also, with the Onkyo TX-8050 receiver Nethawk has, Audyssey MultiEQ XT can help to tame the mid-bass response. If a speaker has mostly the sonic character one wants, but is just a little bit weak or strong in a certain frequency range, Audyssey may help and the room acoustics/placement can make it respond differently.

Yeah, it will come down to personal preference and room/placement.

I think if, in my main room, the R speaker was further from the corner of the room (it's about 3ft from the size wall, 16" or so from the rear wall), the upper bass would be less emphasized, and I'd probably leave the ports open.

Unfortunately, my room layout sucks, and I just have to deal with it for the time being.
post #22 of 38
Thread Starter 
I'm adding Mordaunt-Short Carnival 2 to the list, but like Energy this will be a difficult choice to audition. From reviews and design though this appears to be very close to what I am looking for. It also helps that they are $249 a pair through Amazon Prime.

I posted in the Mordaunt-Short forum, but since it's a ghost town over there I wonder if any of those active on this thread might have a comment or two to spare.

Thanks.
post #23 of 38
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

I'm adding Mordaunt-Short Carnival 2 to the list, but like Energy this will be a difficult choice to audition. From reviews and design though this appears to be very close to what I am looking for. It also helps that they are $249 a pair through Amazon Prime.

I posted in the Mordaunt-Short forum, but since it's a ghost town over there I wonder if any of those active on this thread might have a comment or two to spare.

Thanks.

Mordant Short and Cambridge Audio are owned by the same company.
They pretty much have the same woofer and both have 1st order cross
overs. They should sound real close to one another. With the Carnival
being front ported - this could make for better desk top placement. This
may be a good option for you.

Have you been here?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...mordaunt+short
post #24 of 38
Some of the new ones that are on my radar to hear out

Emotiva Pro Airmotiv 5
Focal CMS50 (not new but I really want to hear these)
Paradigm Shift Active Atom

I think the above would be suitable without a sub.

NHT Superzero Active (would require a sub)

Personally, I'm happy as clams with my Dynaudio MC15...I will never sell or replace them with anything else (except maybe the Dynaudio Focus 110A)

I would also consider a small amp + something like the new GoldenEar Aon 2 which were originally designed for nearfield use
post #25 of 38
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

Have you been here?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...mordaunt+short

No I hadn't Jim, thanks for sharing. It was a bit like the Super Bowl - the suspense of waiting for the comparison with the Energy speakers

His report surprised me, I would have expected the two to be much more similar given both design and components, particularly in low and mid ranges. Yet another great endorsement for the Energy RC-10's though, but I wonder whether the more natural sound might be better from 3-5 feet away.
post #26 of 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

His report surprised me, I would have expected the two to be much more similar given both design and components, particularly in low and mid ranges. Yet another great endorsement for the Energy RC-10's though, but I wonder whether the more natural sound might be better from 3-5 feet away.

If you can do it, buy both and send the loser back. I have not listened
to the RC-10. However - I have owned the C-1, which is said to be real
close to the RC-10. I am not a big Energy fan - however, based on your
budget and the Energy character, they may be the one for you on your
desktop.
post #27 of 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

. . . but I wonder whether the more natural sound might be better from 3-5 feet away.

I have seen a few other people running the RC-10s in a desktop setup for near field listening in the Energy Owners Thread. You might post in there and see if anyone was not happy with that kind of usage.
post #28 of 38
Thread Starter 
I've just ordered the Mordaunt Short Carnival 2 from Amazon.
post #29 of 38
Thread Starter 
I will start by stating that I am by no means an audiophile, and while I enjoy poring over posts and measurement charts, I pretty much go with what I like. I'm not the type to upgrade every year, I try to buy decent gear that's going to please me for several years.

On a whim I decided to abandon computer speakers and drive sound from my computer through a two channel receiver, conveniently located in my office closet. For whatever reason I was skeptical of finding a decent speaker that I would feel comfortable sitting 3 feet from (particularly after auditioning B&K *flamesuit on*).

The Mordaunt Short Carnival 2 arrived yesterday, and I spent way too much time listening, finally tearing myself away at 3AM.

First impression - whether its because I'm closer to the sound, or the stellar imaging from these speakers is creating an illusion, its the first time I've realized I was listening to music and not speakers. The best analogy I can come up with - its like little winged creatures sprinkled faerie dust in the air, right in front of my monitor. Wonderful midrange, incredible clarity. One song, Noir Désir - Le Vent Nous Portera, closes with a beautiful clarinet solo and I could clearly hear the initial vibration of the reed as the musician began playing. That half-second was magical.

Yeah, I'm starting to sound like Steve Jobs. Sorry.

Highs are crisp and bright, but not overly so. This was a major concern of mine. I did not detect any deficiencies in high range, and tried to throw as much at it as possible. From female vocals to electric and acoustic guitar solos, to violin and piano everything fell properly within its range, my amateur ears detected no flaws. From Nina Simone to Chrissie Hynde, Baaba Maal to Shaggy, The Allman Brothers to Axl Rose, Dvorak to Gorecki I smiled all night. Kelly Jones, the lead singer for Stereophonics, really should quit smoking.

The only obvious and acknowledged gap is deep bass, for those in need of booming lows a subwoofer will be necessary. For now minor EQ tweaks has provided improvement, but I will likely be pairing this with a small sub in the near future.

Imaging, clarity, range and delicate, crisp highs (without being overly bright) are most impressive, exactly what I was looking for. If this is Mordaunt Short's entry speaker, their Performance and Aviano lines must be something special, and I'm surprised the M-S owners thread here on avsforum is only 2 pages of posts.

Energy RC-10 arrives tomorrow, they've got a tough job nudging the Carnival 2's off my desk.
post #30 of 38
Nice! Thanks for the review. I wonder how the Mordaunt compares to the s30. I look forward to part II when your rc-10 arrives
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