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post #241 of 643
2/25/12 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by Chrisx510 View Post

I checked the pc networking properties and it's set to auto instead of 100mbs half/full.

How do you know if the cables are bad? I tried a different Ethernet cable to plug into unraid but still the same results.

slow down.

way too fast.

auto is fine.

was there a 1000M option on that drop down?

if not you dont have 1000M card.

thats problem #1

how are you copying from WHS to URAID.

if its via PC than that will never go fast.

Slow down. learn how your devices work. get each one working correctly one at a time. ignore the unraid for now.

get the PC dialed in.

them maybe the imac.

how do you know if cables are bad?

seriously?, swap cables!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #242 of 643
2/25/12 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

slow down.

way too fast.

auto is fine.

was there a 1000M option on that drop down?

if not you dont have 1000M card.

thats problem #1

how are you copying from WHS to URAID.

if its via PC than that will never go fast.

Slow down. learn how your devices work. get each one working correctly one at a time. ignore the unraid for now.

get the PC dialed in.

them maybe the imac.

how do you know if cables are bad?

seriously?, swap cables!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok,

Just went back and checked and no theres no 1000m

Yes I am copying using Teracopy on my PC. I was told on lime that it would be better on my PC than on my whs? Not sure why but thats what I was told.

On my cable hunt I found a cat5 that was connected. Took that out and replaced it with cat5e.
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post #243 of 643
2/25/12 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by Chrisx510 View Post

Ok,

Just went back and checked and no theres no 1000m

Yes I am copying using Teracopy on my PC. I was told on lime that it would be better on my PC than on my whs? Not sure why but thats what I was told.

On my cable hunt I found a cat5 that was connected. Took that out and replaced it with cat5e.

So Problem #1:

your PC has only 100M

regardless of what software you use teracopy, etc you dont want to use your PC to copy the data.

when you copy from WHS to unraid via your PC the data travels from the WHS through your PC to the UNRAID. Therefore you are inherently limited to 100M even if the WHS and UNRAID are working at GigE speeds (Which we dont know yet or can't assume).

so PC is 100M limted. now ya know.

what year is the iMAC? lets see if it has a GIGe. lets play with that next.

look at the network section of the resource tool and it will tell you what speed your currently negotiated at?

on teracopy. I read about it the same way you did and got very inconsistent results. It works well on small files on large file transfers its most always slower in my benchmarking. I use directory opus as my file manager personally and its no faster than regular explorer. great tool more status info but not faster.

There are many factors. I thought my unraid would only do 30MB/s writes for while and then I went from a Core2DUO Vista to quad core I5 sandy bridge and got 60MB/s. I have seen the network stack setting in windows get so hosed every basically was working at ISDN/Dial Up speeds. Tons of issues exist with auto negotiate on ethernet. Seen issues with spanning tree or flow control bugs beetween switches. its endless.

nail each peice down and then test the peices together. your off to a good start.

having an extra swich and 100FT ethernet cable are essential debug tools for me. especially the 100FT ethernet cable. so many times you can just whip that out and eliminate/confirm a wall run or wifi or a powerline adapter by having a giant long etherenet cable handy. (Pro tip).
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post #244 of 643
2/25/12 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

So Problem #1:

your PC has only 100M

regardless of what software you use teracopy, etc you dont want to use your PC to copy the data.

when you copy from WHS to unraid via your PC the data travels from the WHS through your PC to the UNRAID. Therefore you are inherently limited to 100M even if the WHS and UNRAID are working at GigE speeds (Which we dont know yet or can't assume).

so PC is 100M limted. now ya know.

what year is the iMAC? lets see if it has a GIGe. lets play with that next.

look at the network section of the resource tool and it will tell you what speed your currently negotiated at?

on teracopy. I read about it the same way you did and got very inconsistent results. It works well on small files on large file transfers its most always slower in my benchmarking. I use directory opus as my file manager personally and its no faster than regular explorer. great tool more status info but not faster.

There are many factors. I thought my unraid would only do 30MB/s writes for while and then I went from a Core2DUO Vista to quad core I5 sandy bridge and got 60MB/s. I have seen the network stack setting in windows get so hosed every basically was working at ISDN/Dial Up speeds. Tons of issues exist with auto negotiate on ethernet. Seen issues with spanning tree or flow control bugs beetween switches. its endless.

nail each peice down and then test the peices together. your off to a good start.

having an extra swich and 100FT ethernet cable are essential debug tools for me. especially the 100FT ethernet cable. so many times you can just whip that out and eliminate/confirm a wall run or wifi or a powerline adapter by having a giant long etherenet cable handy. (Pro tip).


My iMac is a 2010 I think.. Mayb 2011.. Not sure but its the 27" iMac. So if I go into the Network Utility it shows Link Speed at 100mbs. When i go into Network Settings>ethernet>speed>100baseTX is selected. Under that it has 1000baseT

It was on configure- automatically but to check the speeds I switched it to manual. fyi
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post #245 of 643
2/25/12 at 7:32am
Chris,

Sucks about all the issues you are going through. Right now, you should try to fix one problem at a time.

I never have used Teracopy, I preclear all my drives with the unRaid preclear scrip because I was told that would be the best way to preclear the drives.

So, if I was you I would just start from scratch, and preclear all the drives just to make sure there won't be any future issues.

Network issues:

I would test each cable at a time, and check it speed. I too use Trendnet switches, but I've got the unraid server connected directly to my router WNDR3700. The 8 port gigabit switch is use for extra connections only.

You can check the gigabit switch lights for speed / connection purporses:

Green: connection is 2000mgps (full)
Amber: connection is 100/200 mgbs (half/full)
No Illuminated: connection to the port is 10/20 mbps or nothing is connected to this port.
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post #246 of 643
2/25/12 at 7:39am
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"having an extra swich and 100FT ethernet cable are essential debug tools for me. especially the 100FT ethernet cable. so many times you can just whip that out and eliminate/confirm a wall run or wifi or a powerline adapter by having a giant long etherenet cable handy. (Pro tip)."

Nice tip Sean! Next time I order some stuff from Monoprice I'll order a 100ft cable for troubleshooting purposes.
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post #247 of 643
2/25/12 at 7:42am
Sean,

Its on the right track. I concur!

I got lucky and the comcast cable guy gave me a 1000ft cat5e box for free. He said he only used less than 300 ft, and he didn't need it anymore. Got lucky on that one.
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post #248 of 643
2/25/12 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Sean,

Its on the right track. I concur!

How did you transfer your files?
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post #249 of 643
2/25/12 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by Chrisx510 View Post

How did you transfer your files?

My W7 PC and unRaid are connected directly to my netgear WNDR3700 router, and both of them have static IP addresses.

I simply access my unraid server from my computer / network / media / movies and i just drag them to the folder and let it transfer.

When I didn't have the parity drive I had speed of 80 to 110 mbps. Now, I only get 35 to 45 mbps, which is fast enough for me.
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post #250 of 643
2/25/12 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by Chrisx510 View Post

My iMac is a 2010 I think.. Mayb 2011.. Not sure but its the 27" iMac. So if I go into the Network Utility it shows Link Speed at 100mbs. When i go into Network Settings>ethernet>speed>100baseTX is selected. Under that it has 1000baseTX

It was on configure- automatically but to check the speeds I switched it to manual. fyi

I have no idea what you just said.

if its set to auto and negotiating 100 then set it to 1000

does it work at 1000m

copy some files from your WHS once that works. how fast?
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post #251 of 643
2/25/12 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

I have no idea what you just said.

if its set to auto and negotiating 100 then set it to 1000

does it work at 1000m

copy some files from your WHS once that works. how fast?

Let me check...

Any idea what TX stands for? on my PC there's no TX.
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post #252 of 643
2/25/12 at 10:18am
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found the Activity Monitor. Says I'm getting 10Mb/s.

When I switch ethernet to manual and select 1000baseT my internet stopped and a message came up saying no ethernet connection.

Could this be because the cat cable that goes to my Mac is only cat5?
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post #253 of 643
2/25/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Chrisx510 View Post

found the Activity Monitor. Says I'm getting 10Mb/s.

When I switch ethernet to manual and select 1000baseT my internet stopped and a message came up saying no ethernet connection.

Could this be because the cat cable that goes to my Mac is only cat5?

bad cable or compatibility issue with the swtich. start swapping.
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post #254 of 643
2/25/12 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

bad cable or compatibility issue with the swtich. start swapping.

Yeap. Test cable first. Then the switch. Then test by directly connecting to router.
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post #255 of 643
2/25/12 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

bad cable or compatibility issue with the swtich. start swapping.

I switched out the cat5 cable and put a cat5e to test out.

My iMac doesn't connect to a switch. It goes directly into the gateway 2wire router from U-verse.

Living Room Tv cables checked and they are all cat5e. One was a cat5 and I replaced it with cat5e. All cables in my av cabinet and in the walls are cat5e also. So good on those 2 zones on proper cabling.

I still have to check all the cables at the Computer Desk. There might be some standard Cat5 cables there that need to be switched out.


Attached a pic of my Network Activity on my iMac while transferring a file from the HP MediaSmart Server.
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post #256 of 643
2/26/12 at 4:49am
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Originally Posted by Chrisx510 View Post

I switched out the cat5 cable and put a cat5e to test out.

My iMac doesn't connect to a switch. It goes directly into the gateway 2wire router from U-verse.

Living Room Tv cables checked and they are all cat5e. One was a cat5 and I replaced it with cat5e. All cables in my av cabinet and in the walls are cat5e also. So good on those 2 zones on proper cabling.

I still have to check all the cables at the Computer Desk. There might be some standard Cat5 cables there that need to be switched out.


Attached a pic of my Network Activity on my iMac while transferring a file from the HP MediaSmart Server.

router from uverse is NOT GIGE. Its only 100M. so you mac will never run fast as it can on the network until you connect it to one of your GIG Switches.

cat5 versus cat5E is not your issue.

Do you have any other computers left besides the unraid and the WHS?

Once you get the mac plugged into a Gig Switch correctly test the speed copying from the WHS. Activity monitor should show you getting well above 12Mb/s which is the max for 100M.

Did you verify the correct light colors on the switch as indicated by the other poster for the unraid. I would also be looking at that now.....
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post #257 of 643
2/26/12 at 5:42am
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I have a spare dlink switch. I can put that at the iMac and plug the iMac and uVerse Router into the Switch. I will try and transfer a movie and let you know what speeds I am getting.
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post #258 of 643
2/26/12 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

yet? Why would I want it to shutdown nightly.

does it need restarted. absolutely not.

turn it on and leave it running. Mine has been up for 9 months.

This is what I like to hear.

So theres no slowdown or anything from not shutting it down, or transfering files to it? Again im completely new to this, i was just relating to my windows pc which needs to be restarted once in awhile.
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post #259 of 643
2/26/12 at 5:55am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

router from uverse is NOT GIGE. Its only 100M. so you mac will never run fast as it can on the network until you connect it to one of your GIG Switches.

cat5 versus cat5E is not your issue.

Do you have any other computers left besides the unraid and the WHS?
Just the PC that we figured out isn't Gige and the Mac Mini which is on wireless so not an issue.

Once you get the mac plugged into a Gig Switch correctly test the speed copying from the WHS. Activity monitor should show you getting well above 12Mb/s which is the max for 100M.
Ok I will go test this out right now.

Did you verify the correct light colors on the switch as indicated by the other poster for the unraid. I would also be looking at that now.....

Just went and looked now. The switch at the Tv location has the unRAID hooked up. The port unRaid is plugged into has both green lights blinking. Also the port that has the cat5e cable running to the computer desk switch also has 2 green lights blinking



UPDATE!


We're getting increased speeds now. Took 15 minutes to transfer a 31GB movie from whs to the iMac. Speeds are between 28-29mb/s.

Then copied the file from iMac to whs and have had peaks of 51mb/s. Its jumping around 9,20,31mb/s but 51mb/s has been the peak so far during the transfer.

I copied the same file from iMac to unRAID and have had a peak of 45mb/s. It's been steady at 40-43mb/s pretty much. Took 11 minutes to transfer a 31GB movie.

24GB file from WHS to unRAID took 12 minutes. It doesn't tell me how many mb/s I'm getting though.

WHS to unRAID using Teracopy with Test copy selected I'm getting 89MB/s. Took 6 minutes to transfer a 30GB file.

Now I'm transferring 1TB of files from whs to unRAID with Teracopy with Test Copy selected and I'm getting 67mb/s. Should be done in a little over 4hr's it says.

Attach pic is of the whs to iMac transfer
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post #260 of 643
2/26/12 at 5:56am
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Originally Posted by Chrisx510 View Post

Your unRAID server is meant to stay on 24 hours a day.

But you don't have to. I only turn mine on when needed. I have mine set to transfer the content of the cache drive at 12AM, 8AM, and 4PM. If it hasn't been transferred when I turn it off, it will be transferred at some point later. Or I can just go into the menu, and select the move option, to move the content.
My unRAID box is typically only on for a few hours a day in the middle of the week, although I might run it over the entire weekend, especially when my PCs are being backed up.

I used to leave all my PCs and servers on 24/7, but I've become more power conscious over the last year or so(since electric rates have gone up so much). So I don't run alot of devices 24/7 like I used to in the past. Back in 1999 to 2001 I used to have six PCs running 24/7 for almost two years running the SETI program. I woudl never do that today.
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post #261 of 643
2/26/12 at 8:47am
Quick question:

I was going to buy the plus license, but I just found out that the USB flash drive I am using cannot be registered. I've got another Lexas 8 gb. USB flash drive that I can try to use, but I was wondering how do I make the change?

Do I just turn off my server, take the USB out, connect both flash drives to my computer and just transfer the file to one another?
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post #262 of 643
2/26/12 at 8:54am
Never mind found the answer at wiki:

How do I upgrade my unRAID flash drive to a larger size drive?
If you do not have an unRAID license (Plus or Pro), then it is simple. Just copy the contents, including config folder, of the current flash drive to the new and larger flash drive, and reboot with the new drive.
If you have an unRAID license, then it is tied to the GUID of that flash drive, and you will need to first apply by Email (support@lime-technology.com) to Lime Technology for a replacement of the key file. Include a complete explanation, and the GUID of the new flash drive. Once you receive it, you will move the contents of the old flash to the new drive, as above, but you will also replace the key file.
Notice: this is NOT an official policy! Lime Technology has been generous in replacing keys in the past, but will have final say as to whether and how a replacement is available, or not, and whether their generosity will continue in the future. Lime Technology has a right to charge a fee for replacement keys.
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post #263 of 643
2/26/12 at 2:18pm
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But you don't have to. I only turn mine on when needed. I have mine set to transfer the content of the cache drive at 12AM, 8AM, and 4PM. If it hasn't been transferred when I turn it off, it will be transferred at some point later. Or I can just go into the menu, and select the move option, to move the content.
My unRAID box is typically only on for a few hours a day in the middle of the week, although I might run it over the entire weekend, especially when my PCs are being backed up.

I used to leave all my PCs and servers on 24/7, but I've become more power conscious over the last year or so(since electric rates have gone up so much). So I don't run alot of devices 24/7 like I used to in the past. Back in 1999 to 2001 I used to have six PCs running 24/7 for almost two years running the SETI program. I woudl never do that today.

Don't forget that unless disks are spinning, the only power consumption is the PSU, CPU, and any case fans. Fairly minimal, I think.

Kill-A-Watt would be a nice gadget to have in this situation.
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post #264 of 643
2/26/12 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by jeff.lebowski View Post

Don't forget that unless disks are spinning, the only power consumption is the PSU, CPU, and any case fans. Fairly minimal, I think.

Kill-A-Watt would be a nice gadget to have in this situation.

Mine pulls around 200 to 250 watts. I have kill-a-watt meters(or similar) in use with nine devices.
My unRAID uses five external enclosures for the twenty array drives and the cache and parity drive are in the PC case. It does use more power than if I had everything in one gigantic case.
My WHS uses between 225 and 275 watts. It has seven external enclosures for 27 drives plus four drives in the main case.
I prefer using the external enclosures. Ten years ago I used twelve drives in a tower case for my network storage of my HD content. I never liked having such a large case around and it needed so much space. With the small 4 bay external enclosures I can fit the drives in a tighter space.

One day I might go back to a large case since there are a ton of options now. But I would only do it if I could sell some of the external enclosures to cover the cost.

How much wattage does an unRAID system with 22 drives in one case pull?
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post #265 of 643
2/27/12 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by chrisx510 View Post

just went and looked now. The switch at the tv location has the unraid hooked up. The port unraid is plugged into has both green lights blinking. Also the port that has the cat5e cable running to the computer desk switch also has 2 green lights blinking



update!


we're getting increased speeds now. Took 15 minutes to transfer a 31gb movie from whs to the imac. Speeds are between 28-29mb/s.

Then copied the file from imac to whs and have had peaks of 51mb/s. Its jumping around 9,20,31mb/s but 51mb/s has been the peak so far during the transfer.

I copied the same file from imac to unraid and have had a peak of 45mb/s. It's been steady at 40-43mb/s pretty much. Took 11 minutes to transfer a 31gb movie.

24gb file from whs to unraid took 12 minutes. It doesn't tell me how many mb/s i'm getting though.

Whs to unraid using teracopy with test copy selected i'm getting 89mb/s. Took 6 minutes to transfer a 30gb file.

Now i'm transferring 1tb of files from whs to unraid with teracopy with test copy selected and i'm getting 67mb/s. Should be done in a little over 4hr's it says.

Attach pic is of the whs to imac transfer

awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #266 of 643
2/28/12 at 12:09am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post


awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Sean! Now teach me to build a 160 cubic subwoofer enclosure.
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post #267 of 643
2/28/12 at 7:12am
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Thanks Sean! Now teach me to build a 160 cubic subwoofer enclosure.

everything you need to know can be found right here
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post #268 of 643
2/28/12 at 7:28am
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Hey guys my teracopy transfer was 94% complete and this morning it just stopped transferring. I don't know why.. I can't get it to resume transferring. It only had 6 more movies to go before transfer was complete. Should I exit out and start transfers over? Or is it safe to say that all the movies that transferred are good and just transfer the remaining movies that teracopy didn't finish?
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post #269 of 643
2/28/12 at 8:08am
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Hey guys my teracopy transfer was 94% complete and this morning it just stopped transferring. I don't know why.. I can't get it to resume transferring. It only had 6 more movies to go before transfer was complete. Should I exit out and start transfers over? Or is it safe to say that all the movies that transferred are good and just transfer the remaining movies that teracopy didn't finish?

Just try to play the last 6 movies out and see if they play and compare the file size.

Also, how are you getting those speeds? Are you achieving those speeds with a parity drive or without? I could only get those speeds without the parity drive.
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post #270 of 643
2/28/12 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Just try to play the last 6 movies out and see if they play and compare the file size.

Also, how are you getting those speeds? Are you achieving those speeds with a parity drive or without? I could only get those speeds without the parity drive.

Well the last 6 movies didn't transfer at all.. Looks like the rest of the movies did. Over 100 Blu-Rays..

Yes those speeds are without a parity drive. I plan to have a Cache drive so we'll see what kinda speeds I get with that.
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